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#1    elvismay

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 07:25 AM

This was originally a blog that Real Encounters Writer/Producer/Co-Director Steve Mayes posted on his personal myspace page.
We thought it would interest some of our friends on this page!

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The Shroud of Turin (or Turin Shroud) is a linen cloth bearing the image of a man who appears to have been physically traumatized in a manner consistent with crucifixion. It is kept in the royal chapel of the Cathedral of St. John the Baptist in Turin, Italy. It is believed by many to be the cloth placed on Jesus Christ at the time of his burial.


Organism cloning

Organism cloning refers to the procedure of creating a new multicellular organism, genetically identical to another. In essence this form of cloning is an asexual method of reproduction, where fertilization or inter-gamete contact does not take place. Asexual reproduction is a naturally occurring phenomenon in many species, including most plants and some insects.

Cloning in biotechnology refers to processes used to create copies of DNA fragments, cells (cell cloning), or organisms.


Human cloning is the creation of a genetically identical copy of an existing or previously existing human. The term is generally used to refer to artificial human cloning; human clones in the form of identical twins are commonplace, with their cloning occurring during the natural process of reproduction. There are two commonly discussed types of human cloning: therapeutic cloning and reproductive cloning. Therapeutic cloning involves cloning cells from an adult for use in medicine and is an active area of research: while reproductive cloning would involve making cloned human beings. Such reproductive cloning has not been performed and is illegal in many countries.


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In order, obviously to clone a human being you need a solid DNA structure.

DNA is a nucleic acid that contains the genetic instructions used in the development and functioning of all known living organisms.
Hence an organisms
DNA structure can be extracted from their blood.

Back to the Shroud of Turin.

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There are several reddish stains on the shroud suggesting blood. McCrone identified these as containing iron oxide, theorizing that its presence was likely due to simple pigment materials used in medieval times. Other researchers, including Alan Adler, a chemist specializing in analysis of porphyrins, identified the reddish stains as type AB blood and interpreted the iron oxide as a natural residue of hemoglobin.


Drs. Heller and Adler further studied the dark red stains. Applying pleochroism, birefringence, and chemical analysis, they determined that, unlike the medieval artist's pigment which contains iron oxide contaminated with manganese, nickel, and cobalt, the iron oxide on the shroud was relatively pure but later proven to be iron oxide resulting from blood stains (Heller, J.H., Adler, A.D. 1980). Dr. Adler then applied microspectrophotometric analysis of a "blood particle" from one of the fibrils of the shroud and identified hemoglobin (in the acid methemoglobin, which formed due to great age and denaturation). Further tests by Heller and Adler established, within claimed scientific certainty, the presence of porphyrin, bilirubin, albumin, and protein. Interestingly, when proteases (enzymes which break up protein within cells) were applied to the fibril containing the "blood," the blood dissolved from the fibril leaving an imageless fibril (Heller, J.H., and Adler, A.D. 1981). It is uncertain whether the blood stains were produced at the same time as the image, which Adler and Heller attributed to premature aging of the linen.Working independently with a larger sample of blood-containing fibrils, pathologist Pier Baima Bollone, after using immunochemistry, concurred with Heller and Adler's findings and identifies the blood as being from the AB blood group (Baima Bollone, P., La Sindone-Scienza e Fide 1981).

Joe Nickell notes that, unlike McCrone, Heller and Adler are neither forensic serologists nor pigment experts, nor are they experienced in detecting art forgeries. Nickell makes reference to the 1983 conference of the IAFI where forensic analyst John Fischer demonstrated how results similar to Heller and Adler's could be obtained from tempera paint. Skeptics also cite other forensic blood tests whose results dispute the authenticity of the Shroud. "Forensic tests on the red stuff have identified it as red ocher and vermilion tempera paint." Even if blood is found, "it could be the blood of some 14th century person. It could be the blood of someone wrapped in the shroud, or the blood of the creator of the shroud, or of anyone who has ever handled the shroud, or of anyone who handled the sticky tape. But even if there were blood on the shroud, that would have no bearing on the age of the shroud or on its authenticity." Skeptics also note that the apparent blood flows on the shroud are unrealistically neat. Leading forensic pathologist Micheal Baden observes that real blood never oozes in nice neat rivulets, it gets clotted in the hair. He concludes that "[h]uman beings don't produce this kind of pattern.


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So for the sake of argument (or my theory) the Shroud of Turin contains either the blood of A. The Forger/Painter of the Shroud or B.
The blood of the historical
Jesus Christ, then it is possible to attempt to extract a DNA sample. Therefore, in theory, it is also possible to clone this human being.

Now let's consider Jesus is recreated by means of human cloning.
It is very possible, after learning who he is, who he is supposed to be, and what he is
to represent, that he leans heavily towards the opposite.

Thus science creates the Anti-Christ from the blood of Jesus Christ.


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This was a response I received (however tongue in cheek it is) after posting a
shorter version of this Theory on a message board.


" A paradox has been cracked open. And all the possibilities and disastrous predictions are leaking out onto the floor.


Are you kidding? Are you serious?

This conundrum reminds me somehow of the final scene of "The Good Son"

Youtube it "

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Thanks for reading, opinions welcome!

Stv

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#2    MysticOnion

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 08:50 AM

Tell you what - it would make a great film - I'd go to watch it definately...

I want to write the script!!!  I won't charge a thing, does anyone want to make this film?

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 09:51 AM

Tests done on the blood found on the shroud show that the DNA is so badly fragmented that even the gender of the person's blood cannot be determined. What that means is that it's impossible to create a perfect clone from whoever's blood is on that cloth.

However, I do agree that it would make an interesting work of fiction and possibly a good movie. yes.gif




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Posted 23 December 2008 - 02:19 PM

elvismay on Dec 23 2008, 07:25 AM, said:

This was originally a blog that Real Encounters Writer/Producer/Co-Director Steve Mayes posted on his personal myspace page.
We thought it would interest some of our friends on this page!

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The Shroud of Turin (or Turin Shroud) is a linen cloth bearing the image of a man who appears to have been physically traumatized in a manner consistent with crucifixion. It is kept in the royal chapel of the Cathedral of St. John the Baptist in Turin, Italy. It is believed by many to be the cloth placed on Jesus Christ at the time of his burial.


Organism cloning

Organism cloning refers to the procedure of creating a new multicellular organism, genetically identical to another. In essence this form of cloning is an asexual method of reproduction, where fertilization or inter-gamete contact does not take place. Asexual reproduction is a naturally occurring phenomenon in many species, including most plants and some insects.

Cloning in biotechnology refers to processes used to create copies of DNA fragments, cells (cell cloning), or organisms.


Human cloning is the creation of a genetically identical copy of an existing or previously existing human. The term is generally used to refer to artificial human cloning; human clones in the form of identical twins are commonplace, with their cloning occurring during the natural process of reproduction. There are two commonly discussed types of human cloning: therapeutic cloning and reproductive cloning. Therapeutic cloning involves cloning cells from an adult for use in medicine and is an active area of research: while reproductive cloning would involve making cloned human beings. Such reproductive cloning has not been performed and is illegal in many countries.


---------------------------------

In order, obviously to clone a human being you need a solid DNA structure.

DNA is a nucleic acid that contains the genetic instructions used in the development and functioning of all known living organisms.
Hence an organisms
DNA structure can be extracted from their blood.

Back to the Shroud of Turin.

----------------------------------

There are several reddish stains on the shroud suggesting blood. McCrone identified these as containing iron oxide, theorizing that its presence was likely due to simple pigment materials used in medieval times. Other researchers, including Alan Adler, a chemist specializing in analysis of porphyrins, identified the reddish stains as type AB blood and interpreted the iron oxide as a natural residue of hemoglobin.


Drs. Heller and Adler further studied the dark red stains. Applying pleochroism, birefringence, and chemical analysis, they determined that, unlike the medieval artist's pigment which contains iron oxide contaminated with manganese, nickel, and cobalt, the iron oxide on the shroud was relatively pure but later proven to be iron oxide resulting from blood stains (Heller, J.H., Adler, A.D. 1980). Dr. Adler then applied microspectrophotometric analysis of a "blood particle" from one of the fibrils of the shroud and identified hemoglobin (in the acid methemoglobin, which formed due to great age and denaturation). Further tests by Heller and Adler established, within claimed scientific certainty, the presence of porphyrin, bilirubin, albumin, and protein. Interestingly, when proteases (enzymes which break up protein within cells) were applied to the fibril containing the "blood," the blood dissolved from the fibril leaving an imageless fibril (Heller, J.H., and Adler, A.D. 1981). It is uncertain whether the blood stains were produced at the same time as the image, which Adler and Heller attributed to premature aging of the linen.Working independently with a larger sample of blood-containing fibrils, pathologist Pier Baima Bollone, after using immunochemistry, concurred with Heller and Adler's findings and identifies the blood as being from the AB blood group (Baima Bollone, P., La Sindone-Scienza e Fide 1981).

Joe Nickell notes that, unlike McCrone, Heller and Adler are neither forensic serologists nor pigment experts, nor are they experienced in detecting art forgeries. Nickell makes reference to the 1983 conference of the IAFI where forensic analyst John Fischer demonstrated how results similar to Heller and Adler's could be obtained from tempera paint. Skeptics also cite other forensic blood tests whose results dispute the authenticity of the Shroud. "Forensic tests on the red stuff have identified it as red ocher and vermilion tempera paint." Even if blood is found, "it could be the blood of some 14th century person. It could be the blood of someone wrapped in the shroud, or the blood of the creator of the shroud, or of anyone who has ever handled the shroud, or of anyone who handled the sticky tape. But even if there were blood on the shroud, that would have no bearing on the age of the shroud or on its authenticity." Skeptics also note that the apparent blood flows on the shroud are unrealistically neat. Leading forensic pathologist Micheal Baden observes that real blood never oozes in nice neat rivulets, it gets clotted in the hair. He concludes that "[h]uman beings don't produce this kind of pattern.


-----------------------------------------

So for the sake of argument (or my theory) the Shroud of Turin contains either the blood of A. The Forger/Painter of the Shroud or B.
The blood of the historical
Jesus Christ, then it is possible to attempt to extract a DNA sample. Therefore, in theory, it is also possible to clone this human being.

Now let's consider Jesus is recreated by means of human cloning.
It is very possible, after learning who he is, who he is supposed to be, and what he is
to represent, that he leans heavily towards the opposite.

Thus science creates the Anti-Christ from the blood of Jesus Christ.


---------------------------------------

This was a response I received (however tongue in cheek it is) after posting a
shorter version of this Theory on a message board.


" A paradox has been cracked open. And all the possibilities and disastrous predictions are leaking out onto the floor.


Are you kidding? Are you serious?

This conundrum reminds me somehow of the final scene of "The Good Son"

Youtube it "

--------------------------------------------

Thanks for reading, opinions welcome!

Stv



Plausible scenario. Actually I watched a movie based on something similar I cant remember the name. The freemasons in the movie and the hierarchy decide to create the anti christ from the blood of jesus from the shroud etc. So the movie has been done, I will see if i can remember it.

It has a young couple running around italy and masonic lodges in France ending up somewhere in the med i think.





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