[XErotica]

Lol. In my personal opinion, the story of Yowies is total nonsense. Probably just a kangaroo, those babies are scary enough - no need to invent a creature to scare the kiddies into being home before dark. I have no evidence to suggest they exist, and in return, none to prove they don't... But I really believe they are just fictional. If they did exist there would be more historical evidence of them, there whereabouts, etc... I'm guessing they don't live in downtown Sydney, people are referring to the outback.. But whatever. My conclusion - - - scared man made up Yowie because he didn't want to admit he was scared of a kangaroo.

[Wearer of Hats]

XErotica on Jan 8 2009, 01:36 PM, said:

Lol. In my personal opinion, the story of Yowies is total nonsense. Probably just a kangaroo, those babies are scary enough - no need to invent a creature to scare the kiddies into being home before dark. I have no evidence to suggest they exist, and in return, none to prove they don't... But I really believe they are just fictional. If they did exist there would be more historical evidence of them, there whereabouts, etc... I'm guessing they don't live in downtown Sydney, people are referring to the outback.. But whatever. My conclusion - - - scared man made up Yowie because he didn't want to admit he was scared of a kangaroo.

IIRC it's more heavy bushland, kind of like that stuff we get in the Snowy Mountains or a lot of Queensland on the seaside of the Dividing Range.

[XErotica]

Wearer of Hats on Jan 8 2009, 06:51 AM, said:

IIRC it's more heavy bushland, kind of like that stuff we get in the Snowy Mountains or a lot of Queensland on the seaside of the Dividing Range.

Thought so. Theres a lot of heavy bushland near where I live so I can get the idea of where you mean.

[Undeadskeptic]

Wearer of Hats on Jan 7 2009, 08:24 PM, said:

A completely unverifiable and anecdotal story from my father:
He's a copper, and for the longest time was one of two coppers in a small town surrounded by bushland and thick scrub for kilometres.

Routinely he'd get call outs to chase wild animals off properties - 99% of the times wild dogs or pigs, and pissed locals or (the vast majority of times) "sorry, we couldn't see anything, it seems to have gone, give us a bell if it comes back".


And then there's the 1%. The "WTF was THAT?" moments that had him reaching for his sidearm.
Roos and Koalas at night are scary. If you've ever heard a Koala on the pull you KNOW it's there. But the first time you think it's a pig. Or something roughly the size of a tank. It's loud.


And then we have the thing that scared the police dog.
The "tree that wasn't there before" and "that hairy fuggers who keeps stealing my strawberries".


The thing that scared the police dog and the hairy fugger are from the same incident: They were called out repeatedly to deal with stolen strawberries and other minor disturbances. Then one night - all hell literally broke loose. The owner of the property rung for support and said 'there's a fugger ape in my yard". Given that there were kids in the house, the owner was arming up. Dad and the other copper raced there. And came face to back with something big, and hairy. It ran.


The second encounter had the coppers running because they were being followed, hunted through the scrub.

Now this here, this is the stuff that keeps me wondering about the Yowie.

A lot of cryptids I don't even bother with because they are so laughable and all the "eye-witness" accounts sound like ads for Pepsi.

But there are a heap of people who have seen the Yowie, and outta that heap, I think half really do believe that they saw the Yowie. The other half are your garden variety Pepsi ads, but there are a considerable portion that sound honest-to-god.

Pysche1,

Rex really is teasing me with that book of his that I want to get my hands on so dearly. Look at this stuff from his his site:


Results of the Gilroy's, South Coastal NSW
Mountain Ranges Yowie Expedition
Winter of 1979
by Rex Gilroy
Copyright © Rex Gilroy 2008.

This investigation, part of the on-going “Operation Yowie” project, aimed at gathering good circumstantial, as well as possible physical evidence, on the existence of these relict hominids. It must be emphasized here that the world ‘Yowie’ meant “Hairy man” or “Hairy people”, not because these hominids were/are covered in long thick hair, but because of the animal [ie marsupial] hide garments they wore like the early Aboriginal tribespeople.

Thus the Yowie is no hairy ape-like monster as many people mistakenly believe, but a primitive tool-making, fire-making hominid. In fact, all available evidence points to the Yowie as being surviving remnant populations of Homo erectus, our immediate ancestors.

Results of the Gilroy/Foster Carrai Range, Kempsey, New South Wales Yowie Expedition.
by Rex Gilroy
Copyright © Rex Gilroy 2008.

This investigation, part of the on-going “Operation Yowie” project, aimed at gathering good circumstantial, as well as possible physical evidence, on the existence of these relict hominids, began with myself, my wife Heather, and Greg Foster our leading field assistant/webmaster, arriving in Kempsey on Monday 8th September 2008.

On Tuesday morning we drove up into the Carrai Range, our destination being the remote region of the Carrai known as the Oxley Wild Rivers National Park, which is located on the New England side of the Range. There is a vast wilderness region here containing country not yet explored on foot by Europeans, due largely to its inaccessibility, and it is from within this vast wilderness that old Aboriginal traditions of the Yowies, or “hairy people” have originated

It must be emphasized here that the world ‘Yowie’ meant “Hairy man” or “Hairy people”, not because these hominids were/are covered in long thick hair, but because of the animal [ie marsupial] hide garments they wore like the early Aboriginal tribespeople.

Thus the Yowie is no hairy ape-like monster as many people mistakenly believe, but a primitive tool-making, fire-making hominid. In fact, all available evidence points to the Yowie as being surviving remnant populations of Homo erectus, our immediate ancestor. Heather and I have made expeditions to the Carrai Range in the past, but apart from gathering sightings reports from Kempsey district residents, we had up to the present been unsuccessful in finding any evidence of continuing Yowie activity in the Carrai wilderness. This is, happily, no longer the case.

Until ten years ago logging had been carried out on the Carrai Range until finally stopped by the State Government. Since then only the odd tourists and four-wheel drive vehicles of campers and others continue to use the one narrow rough dirt road that crosses the range, and then mostly on weekends. Thus the region is mostly quiet and little frequented by people and in the more remote areas quite eerie. Here one often has the feeling of being watched from afar, or even being followed by ‘something’.

It was to such an area that we drove on Tuesday 9th September. As luck would have it we stopped to take photos of a view to the south though trees on a cliffside section of the road. There had been heavy rain in the Kempsey district the previous Friday, and in the still moist ground near our vehicle, Greg discovered scuff marks in roadside soil.

At first I thought he had found lyre bird scratchings but instead among a lot of indistinct disturbance of the soil, he found two small feet impressions. We cast these and camouflaged them for later pick-up on the way out, so as to save time and continued on.

We did not know it until the casts were picked up [on our way out in darkness] and later cleaned, but it appears that these tracks [both left feet impressions] display pygmy features, for one thing the small toe on each track is placed a little further down the side of the foot than in normal humans.

There are traditions of a ‘lost’ pygmy race in remote regions of the east coastal New South Wales mountain ranges, and in the Carrai region in particular.

Continuing on, we eventually explored a remote area, where in a clearing we came across a drying muddy patch containing a mass of animal tracks. Among these we found a number of undoubted small to larger, mostly indistinct and often overlapping hominid feet impressions, and among which despite distortions in the now dried, but originally sloppy mud, we were lucky to find at least eight recognizable tracks.

One of these tracks was that of an undoubted monstrous-sized hominid, for the huge footprint measured 51cm in length by 31.5cm width across the toes and 11.5cm across the heel. It was embedded 5cm deep in the hardened mud. This right foot impression was near another large but somewhat distorted footprint, which was 36cm in length by 29cm width across the toes and 16cm width across the heel, and embedded 4cm deep in the mud. It too was a right foot impression.

We also found two left and right tracks which, allowing for distortion in the originally wet mud and slightly smaller size of the right footprint, were probably made by a single individual. The largest right track was 40cm in length by 26.5cm width across the toes and 14cm across the heel, being 4cm deep in the mud. The left foot impression was also 40cm in length by 23cm across the toes and 14cm across the heel by 3.5cm in depth.

These feet impressions had been made by beings of considerable height and muscular strength. The physical structure of these huge footprints compares with others in my collection of Yowie footprint casts.

Several years ago I realised structural differences between those of the usually smaller, average human height Yowies and those of these giant-size beings. Both footprint types have the mark of Homo erectus about them, yet they represented two distinct forms. Giant forms of Homo erectus are known from the fossil record in South-East Asia, and from my own researches here in Australia also.

Other researchers had overlooked the structural differences of both footprint types. I therefore, as the discoverer of this second [giant] race of Yowie, gave it the name of ‘Rexbeast’!

These Rexbeast giants reach up to 3.66 metres in height, their females somewhat below this at around 2.8metres. It was obvious that the smaller large footprints found at this remote site were probable females.

At least three giant-size Rexbeast hominids were represented in these tracks, but there were also small feet impressions of juvenile size beings. By now the daylight was going so we had to leave these tracks until the following day, when we would cast the above tracks just described, including the best of the juvenile-size specimens, a track measuring 17cm in length by 13cm width across the toes and 6.2cm at the heel, embedded 3cm deep in the hard mud.

However, on our drive out through the forest country, Greg and I had Heather stop the car while we investigated a forested hillside I recalled from a visit some years before, and where there had been claimed sightings of Yowies by campers on a number of occasions. It was here, as we scanned the scrub from a high point that, below us we spied in the dim light four hominid shapes, moving about and obviously aware of our presence, for they stood watching us from some distance away.

I had been first to spot two average-height beings standing on the edge of a clearing, one moved forward to stand beside a tree to observe me. Greg meanwhile spotted two more a little way to the south of these beings. As he watched this other pair emerge from shrubbery one appeared to stand about 2.8 metres tall, the other, smaller figure moved in front of it.

Then as we watched, they melted back into the darkness of the forest. After this experience we hurried back to tell Heather. We drove through the darkness along that narrow, rugged dirt road, eventually retrieving the two earlier cast tracks.

On Wednesday 10th September we returned to the Carrai and reaching the footprint site we cast the tracks just described. We also returned to the scene of the encounter with the four hominids. Searching the area we came upon the indistinct impressions of their footprints in grass.

I also found three indistinct tracks at the foot of the tree where that hominid had stood to observe me. Greg meanwhile found a track through the shrubbery through which his two hominids had emerged, and here he found a freshly snapped branch.

Time was against us and the day once again was coming to a close. We kept a watch here hoping for another appearance of the strange beings, but they did not return and we returned to the car to once more make the slow, careful drive through those ghostly forests on that rough old loggers track back to civilisation.

Plans are already afoot to return to the Carrai in the near future to continue our investigations. Yet what we have already turned up is more than enough evidence to convince us that Yowies, in both their smaller and Rexbeast forms, still roam that vast, eerie wilderness, alongside the mysterious little pygmy folk.

Rex and Heather Gilroy can be contacted at the “Australian Yowie Research Centre”.
Phone 02 4782 3441;
email randhgilroy@optusnet.com.au; or
PO Box 202, Katoomba, NSW 2780.

NOW, you can try eMailing that adress all you like but neither Rex nor his wife Heather (I really like that they're a husband wife team, that makes me warm inside) have replied to any of my eMails enquiring book prices. But seriously, they won't reply.

[psyche101]

Undeadskeptic on Jan 9 2009, 07:37 AM, said:

Now this here, this is the stuff that keeps me wondering about the Yowie.

A lot of cryptids I don't even bother with because they are so laughable and all the "eye-witness" accounts sound like ads for Pepsi.

But there are a heap of people who have seen the Yowie, and outta that heap, I think half really do believe that they saw the Yowie. The other half are your garden variety Pepsi ads, but there are a considerable portion that sound honest-to-god.

Pysche1,

Rex really is teasing me with that book of his that I want to get my hands on so dearly. Look at this stuff from his his site:


Results of the Gilroy's, South Coastal NSW
Mountain Ranges Yowie Expedition
Winter of 1979
by Rex Gilroy
Copyright © Rex Gilroy 2008.

This investigation, part of the on-going “Operation Yowie” project, aimed at gathering good circumstantial, as well as possible physical evidence, on the existence of these relict hominids. It must be emphasized here that the world ‘Yowie’ meant “Hairy man” or “Hairy people”, not because these hominids were/are covered in long thick hair, but because of the animal [ie marsupial] hide garments they wore like the early Aboriginal tribespeople.

Thus the Yowie is no hairy ape-like monster as many people mistakenly believe, but a primitive tool-making, fire-making hominid. In fact, all available evidence points to the Yowie as being surviving remnant populations of Homo erectus, our immediate ancestors.

Results of the Gilroy/Foster Carrai Range, Kempsey, New South Wales Yowie Expedition.
by Rex Gilroy
Copyright © Rex Gilroy 2008.

This investigation, part of the on-going “Operation Yowie” project, aimed at gathering good circumstantial, as well as possible physical evidence, on the existence of these relict hominids, began with myself, my wife Heather, and Greg Foster our leading field assistant/webmaster, arriving in Kempsey on Monday 8th September 2008.

On Tuesday morning we drove up into the Carrai Range, our destination being the remote region of the Carrai known as the Oxley Wild Rivers National Park, which is located on the New England side of the Range. There is a vast wilderness region here containing country not yet explored on foot by Europeans, due largely to its inaccessibility, and it is from within this vast wilderness that old Aboriginal traditions of the Yowies, or “hairy people” have originated

It must be emphasized here that the world ‘Yowie’ meant “Hairy man” or “Hairy people”, not because these hominids were/are covered in long thick hair, but because of the animal [ie marsupial] hide garments they wore like the early Aboriginal tribespeople.

Thus the Yowie is no hairy ape-like monster as many people mistakenly believe, but a primitive tool-making, fire-making hominid. In fact, all available evidence points to the Yowie as being surviving remnant populations of Homo erectus, our immediate ancestor. Heather and I have made expeditions to the Carrai Range in the past, but apart from gathering sightings reports from Kempsey district residents, we had up to the present been unsuccessful in finding any evidence of continuing Yowie activity in the Carrai wilderness. This is, happily, no longer the case.

Until ten years ago logging had been carried out on the Carrai Range until finally stopped by the State Government. Since then only the odd tourists and four-wheel drive vehicles of campers and others continue to use the one narrow rough dirt road that crosses the range, and then mostly on weekends. Thus the region is mostly quiet and little frequented by people and in the more remote areas quite eerie. Here one often has the feeling of being watched from afar, or even being followed by ‘something’.

It was to such an area that we drove on Tuesday 9th September. As luck would have it we stopped to take photos of a view to the south though trees on a cliffside section of the road. There had been heavy rain in the Kempsey district the previous Friday, and in the still moist ground near our vehicle, Greg discovered scuff marks in roadside soil.

At first I thought he had found lyre bird scratchings but instead among a lot of indistinct disturbance of the soil, he found two small feet impressions. We cast these and camouflaged them for later pick-up on the way out, so as to save time and continued on.

We did not know it until the casts were picked up [on our way out in darkness] and later cleaned, but it appears that these tracks [both left feet impressions] display pygmy features, for one thing the small toe on each track is placed a little further down the side of the foot than in normal humans.

There are traditions of a ‘lost’ pygmy race in remote regions of the east coastal New South Wales mountain ranges, and in the Carrai region in particular.

Continuing on, we eventually explored a remote area, where in a clearing we came across a drying muddy patch containing a mass of animal tracks. Among these we found a number of undoubted small to larger, mostly indistinct and often overlapping hominid feet impressions, and among which despite distortions in the now dried, but originally sloppy mud, we were lucky to find at least eight recognizable tracks.

One of these tracks was that of an undoubted monstrous-sized hominid, for the huge footprint measured 51cm in length by 31.5cm width across the toes and 11.5cm across the heel. It was embedded 5cm deep in the hardened mud. This right foot impression was near another large but somewhat distorted footprint, which was 36cm in length by 29cm width across the toes and 16cm width across the heel, and embedded 4cm deep in the mud. It too was a right foot impression.

We also found two left and right tracks which, allowing for distortion in the originally wet mud and slightly smaller size of the right footprint, were probably made by a single individual. The largest right track was 40cm in length by 26.5cm width across the toes and 14cm across the heel, being 4cm deep in the mud. The left foot impression was also 40cm in length by 23cm across the toes and 14cm across the heel by 3.5cm in depth.

These feet impressions had been made by beings of considerable height and muscular strength. The physical structure of these huge footprints compares with others in my collection of Yowie footprint casts.

Several years ago I realised structural differences between those of the usually smaller, average human height Yowies and those of these giant-size beings. Both footprint types have the mark of Homo erectus about them, yet they represented two distinct forms. Giant forms of Homo erectus are known from the fossil record in South-East Asia, and from my own researches here in Australia also.

Other researchers had overlooked the structural differences of both footprint types. I therefore, as the discoverer of this second [giant] race of Yowie, gave it the name of ‘Rexbeast’!

These Rexbeast giants reach up to 3.66 metres in height, their females somewhat below this at around 2.8metres. It was obvious that the smaller large footprints found at this remote site were probable females.

At least three giant-size Rexbeast hominids were represented in these tracks, but there were also small feet impressions of juvenile size beings. By now the daylight was going so we had to leave these tracks until the following day, when we would cast the above tracks just described, including the best of the juvenile-size specimens, a track measuring 17cm in length by 13cm width across the toes and 6.2cm at the heel, embedded 3cm deep in the hard mud.

However, on our drive out through the forest country, Greg and I had Heather stop the car while we investigated a forested hillside I recalled from a visit some years before, and where there had been claimed sightings of Yowies by campers on a number of occasions. It was here, as we scanned the scrub from a high point that, below us we spied in the dim light four hominid shapes, moving about and obviously aware of our presence, for they stood watching us from some distance away.

I had been first to spot two average-height beings standing on the edge of a clearing, one moved forward to stand beside a tree to observe me. Greg meanwhile spotted two more a little way to the south of these beings. As he watched this other pair emerge from shrubbery one appeared to stand about 2.8 metres tall, the other, smaller figure moved in front of it.

Then as we watched, they melted back into the darkness of the forest. After this experience we hurried back to tell Heather. We drove through the darkness along that narrow, rugged dirt road, eventually retrieving the two earlier cast tracks.

On Wednesday 10th September we returned to the Carrai and reaching the footprint site we cast the tracks just described. We also returned to the scene of the encounter with the four hominids. Searching the area we came upon the indistinct impressions of their footprints in grass.

I also found three indistinct tracks at the foot of the tree where that hominid had stood to observe me. Greg meanwhile found a track through the shrubbery through which his two hominids had emerged, and here he found a freshly snapped branch.

Time was against us and the day once again was coming to a close. We kept a watch here hoping for another appearance of the strange beings, but they did not return and we returned to the car to once more make the slow, careful drive through those ghostly forests on that rough old loggers track back to civilisation.

Plans are already afoot to return to the Carrai in the near future to continue our investigations. Yet what we have already turned up is more than enough evidence to convince us that Yowies, in both their smaller and Rexbeast forms, still roam that vast, eerie wilderness, alongside the mysterious little pygmy folk.

Rex and Heather Gilroy can be contacted at the “Australian Yowie Research Centre”.
Phone 02 4782 3441;
email randhgilroy@optusnet.com.au; or
PO Box 202, Katoomba, NSW 2780.

NOW, you can try eMailing that adress all you like but neither Rex nor his wife Heather (I really like that they're a husband wife team, that makes me warm inside) have replied to any of my eMails enquiring book prices. But seriously, they won't reply.

I have to admit that is an intruiging tale. He had me going with the pygmy race, but I think he is going of the rails somewhat with the 3.66 M hominids. They would not survive the heat going by the model Maganthropus left us, and how is it they would not be seen? What would stop a 3.66 M hominid not simply walking into Surfers Paradise and taking what he wants? Garabage would be a resource too easy too ignore for such a large beast, who would need a massive caloric intake to see the day out. Such a large creature would not fear man, and would have been discovered, however, the tale of Ebu Gobo supports the little people theory.

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An article in New Scientist (Vol. 186, No. 2504) gives the following account of folklore on Flores surrounding the ebu gogo:

The Nage people of central Flores tell how, some 300 years ago, villagers disposed of the Ebu Gogo by tricking them into accepting gifts of palm fiber to make clothes. When the Ebu Gogo took the fiber into their cave, the villagers threw in a firebrand to set it alight. The story goes that all the occupants were killed, except perhaps for one pair, who fled into the deepest forest, and whose descendants may be living there still.

Above from Wikipedia

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Tindale and Birdsell examined and measured 52 adults and children at Cape Grafton and 95 at Kuranda. Most adult males were between 140 and 150 centimeters tall (four feet six inches to five feet). The women were shorter by 15 to 30 centimeters (six to twelve inches). Tindale and Birdsell concluded they were not just small but were radically unlike any other Aborigines in Australia. They named them Barrineans, after nearby Lake Barrine. Tindale later said:

Their small size, tightly curled hair, child-like faces, peculiarities in their tooth dimensions and their blood groupings showed that they were different from other Australian Aborigines and had a strong strain of Negrito in them. Their faces bore unmistakable resemblances to those of the now extinct Tasmanians, as shown by photographs and plaster casts of the last of those people.

Source

There is a legend of the early British forces wiping out tribes of pygmies, I do not have a refrence handy ATM. Such an incident would indeed propogate shyness and little interaction. Over time one would expect this to relax.

I admit to being a little lost at

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It must be emphasized here that the world ‘Yowie’ meant “Hairy man” or “Hairy people”, not because these hominids were/are covered in long thick hair, but because of the animal [ie marsupial] hide garments they wore like the early Aboriginal tribespeople.

Is Rex saying Yowies are not hairy? Does that not conflict with every eyewitness account?

Another thing I find strange is that Carrai is in the South, all pygmy legends I know of are from the North. A great many cities would have to be traversed along the seaward route.

Bwahaha Rexbeast. Yup, that what one would call a proposed 3.66M tall hominid in Oz.

Nice post UDS.

This post has been edited by psyche101: 09 January 2009 - 01:01 AM

[Tia]

well you know my opinion, yowies exist one day they'll get something concrete.

[Wearer of Hats]

I rather like the idrea of the Marsupial Ape.
As has been said previously we here in God's own oven and dangerous creature terrarium - we've marsupial "lions" and "tigers"...

[Undeadskeptic]

Tia on Jan 9 2009, 07:11 PM, said:

well you know my opinion, yowies exist one day they'll get something concrete.

Hvae you seen one?

[Wearer of Hats]

Undeadskeptic on Jan 10 2009, 09:07 AM, said:

Hvae you seen one?

Saw? No.
Heard, ohh yes. Weren't a pig or a koala (as bizarre as they do sound). This was something else. We were at an Environmental Centre near Victoria Point in South-East Queensland, it was nighttime, and we were stargazing. And the smell, like wet dog.

[Undeadskeptic]

Wearer of Hats on Jan 10 2009, 12:19 PM, said:

Saw? No.
Heard, ohh yes. Weren't a pig or a koala (as bizarre as they do sound). This was something else. We were at an Environmental Centre near Victoria Point in South-East Queensland, it was nighttime, and we were stargazing. And the smell, like wet dog.

Did you find any footprints etc. or any further evidence after your initial experience?

[Wearer of Hats]

Undeadskeptic on Jan 10 2009, 07:25 PM, said:

Did you find any footprints etc. or any further evidence after your initial experience?

'Fraid not, no.
We were set to leave the next day anyway - so we were left with the "WTF was that?" and "glad we didn't find out".
I wanted to go looking, but I also needed a lift home

[XErotica]

Wearer of Hats on Jan 9 2009, 11:19 PM, said:

Saw? No.
Heard, ohh yes. Weren't a pig or a koala (as bizarre as they do sound). This was something else. We were at an Environmental Centre near Victoria Point in South-East Queensland, it was nighttime, and we were stargazing. And the smell, like wet dog.

Ha ha ha! Your quite right they do sound bizarre! People would be astounded at how odd those animals do actually sound.

[Undeadskeptic]

XErotica on Jan 11 2009, 02:52 PM, said:

Ha ha ha! Your quite right they do sound bizarre! People would be astounded at how odd those animals do actually sound.

Camping in Raumati once I heard these crazy whooping noises, that my cousins attributed to a race of ghoulish bigfoot-type creatures. I posted a topic on UM 'bout it and found it was probably a bird species! I was taken by suprise to find out what sorts of noise those little animals can make.

[evancj]

psyche101 on Jan 6 2009, 10:01 PM, said:

Uhh, defintely the other way round

Hehe, I have this mental picture now of Biff sitting on the roof of a plane right at the tail, or lying down hanging of a wing - stealthily migrating the seas

Here ya go

Killer Kangaroo Had Wolf-Like Fangs, Scientists Say

Protemnodon - Giant Wallaby

Procoptodon - 3 Metre Tall Kangaroo

I have indigenous rellies by way of marriage, and was discussing this in particular with my niece, she actually put the connection together for me when we were discussing Diprotodon. To me, it seems to make very good sense and the Dreamtime connections seem very amicable with descriptions of now gone Megafauna. A record I feel that with time that science will look at a great deal closer.




Undead seems to have a talent for finding the most interesting tales. If he does publish a book, I will surely buy it.
(Undead - even if it costs more than Rex's book )

I am all for this. Great idea. It will be more than interesting to do a comparison after some information gathering between Biff and our Yowie.

Thanks for the links psyche101 they were very informative.

I thought it was interesting that these “Killer Kangaroos” galloped instead of hopped. Some of them had powerful well developed forelimbs (like popeye http://www.youtube.c...?v=9UjM9UI40jk).

My uneducated guess would be that if one of these guys stood up on its hind legs it would almost fit Undead’s first yowie description to a tee. However this could also be describing a marsupial lion as well. Nothing about upright bipedal walking was mentioned.

Undeadskeptic on Jan 6 2009, 05:45 PM, said:

The term Yowie is found in Australian Aboriginal folklore, referring to an ape-like creature with canine teeth and large red eyes located on the sides of its head. A night-time predator, the Yowie is thought to occasionally feed on humans. This is not the same creature described in modern European legends.

I may be wrong but it looks like humans and these particular carnivorous kangaroos didn’t live in the same time and place.

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The flesh-eating marsupial would have lived between 10 and 20 million years ago, scientists say.
http://news.bbc.co.u...fic/5172292.stm
http://www.livescien...ie_fossils.html

psyche101 are you aware of any carnivorous kangaroos, or marsupials or reptiles that would fit the first description provided by Undead that lived when the first humans arrived in Australia around 60 to 40 thousand years ago? I did find a 3 meter tall “short faced kangaroo” that was around to see the first Australian people.

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http://www.msnbc.msn...9687/from/RS.5/

http://www.lostkingd...factsheet51.htm

While this guy could surly rip someone to shreds in short order I don’t think he was a flesh eater. Another problem is the short faced kangaroos eyes faced forward. This means that their eyes would not be located on the sides of their head as described.

Perhaps early Australian humans noticed the very same meat eating kangaroo fossils and came up with the same conclusion that today’s Australians came up with, and a poof the yowie is born.

I suppose the first glaring inconstancy’s I see between BF and YOW are;

1. Canine teeth.
2. Eating humans.
3. Large red eyes on the side of the head.

Also I am a bit suspect of ancient Australians describing anything as “apelike” I highly doubt that they had any recent experience with “apes” and would not use the reference. I think they would have described the yowe as human like. Just as their North American counter parts describe BF.

This post has been edited by evancj: 11 January 2009 - 07:26 PM

[DieChecker]

D is here on Jan 6 2009, 05:36 PM, said:

That's such an odd thing to say seeings how there isn't but about 4000 described species world wide as it is...

Maybe Yowie is Marsupial... There's a lot of marsupials in Australia.

Not sure what you are getting at with the 4000 species. There are a little more then 300 marsupial species world wide, so I'd say, statistically, that there is the chance of a marsupial ape, but like Bigfoot, it will not be a real creature till a body is recovered.

Question: Are there any marsupial monkeys of any kind that a marsupial ape could be related to?

psyche101 on Jan 8 2009, 04:59 PM, said:

Bwahaha Rexbeast. Yup, that what one would call a proposed 3.66M tall hominid in Oz.

Rexbeast. Yeah I saw that too and it cracked me up some.