[thylacoleo]

As for indigenous the preferred name. The below site I go to alot as an Aboriginal/Koori friend of mine knows them. They use the name Aboriginal and it is not a bad term at all, and in fact many Australians like myself are now versed in their culture and are not derogative towards them at all..Aboriginal is an endearing term not a derogative term at all..Abo is not a nice word, (although again it can represent nothing more than an Abbreviation, just like pom for English people, and not meant to be derogative) either is N***** but we use neither of those derogative terms.

The stolen Generation speech to say sorry used the words: Prime Minster Kevin Rudd-"We apologise especially for the removal of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children from their families, their communities and their country".

Did not the Aborigines/Kooris there applaud Prime Minster Kevin Rudd, who used the name Aboriginal they didn't say it was a term not to be used. Not one article or interview that day said that the term Aboriginal was not to be used.

Now back to the Yowie..


http://aboriginalart.com.au/

[psyche101]

thylacoleo, on 02 November 2009 - 01:52 PM, said:

Are you talking for all Aborigines/Kooris? Well...sitting next to me is an Aborigine and he disagrees with you as I do. He is laughing actually why your so worried about it, when he isn't.

I am speaking for no-one, I have expressed wishes which have been expressed to myself. Not my experience, sitting next to you? I am afraid I do not believe you. Did the sorry Ruddy gave have any impact on you at all? It is indeed derogatory, and just knowing that you should look into it and at least make some attempt at showing an ounce of respect.

You are not interested in respect, or getting to the heart of the matter. The above comment slams that sentiment home, if you insist you know better than the many indigenous I have personally spoken to, more power to you. It does show me just how accurate you are in your findings as well. You cannot use respectful terminology but try to validate incorrect terms by either claiming you have a person who will agree with you, or going and finding the one person who will agree with you despite what is common knowledge throughout the nation for anyone that has any indigenous contact. You prefer the term Aborigine, and you will use it. That alone speaks volumes.

I for one never expect to stop learning, but I do not forget what I have learned along the way. You didn't even know you were being disrespectful did you? But claim to understand the dreamtime? LOL. OK then . Carry on....

thylacoleo, on 02 November 2009 - 01:52 PM, said:

What you just proved is what I was trying to say but you misunderstood what I meant. What you just showed was that you; one person has seen these things, well I can say that there are eyewitnesses who also have seen more than one Yowie, was my point.

You seem to have missed you own point.

I am but one person who lives here, not in the US like a great many of the posters. I have seen all these things. Any one person who has not resided in the city their whole life will. And I stumbled into this forum - what are the odds? I know I am not the only one to have see all of the above. A city life will shelter one from wildlife effectively though, wont it. Which is where the majority of computers are - therefore the majority of forum contributors, is it any wonder people have not seen all that you have listed amongst this group in particular?

thylacoleo, on 02 November 2009 - 01:52 PM, said:

I say Ayres rock as well as ULURU,

This is almost flaming. In July 1873, surveyor William Gosse visited Uluṟu and named it Ayers Rock. What the hell right does he have to rename Indigenous Icons? Get over yourself. What do you think the major renaming in 2002 was all over?

thylacoleo, on 02 November 2009 - 01:52 PM, said:

so what has this to do with the Yowie again?>?/I talk constantly with aboriginal elders and they do not say do not call us Aboriginal or Koori or Kuri, call us Indigenous Australians, where did you get that!!!Right now there is a Aboriginal exhibition which was done by the local Aborigines. I was talking to one of the elders about it there yesterday and they said that Aborigine, Aboriginal, Koori or Kuri are acceptable ,names to them. And they do not find Aborigine derogatory at all. Activists might...Are you an activist??

Koori or Koorie tribes reside mid eastern coast. You do know that there were more than 250 languages spoken by Indigenous Australians prior to the arrival of Europeans?
What the heck has the Koori Culture got to do with Uluru? They are a long way apart? No doubt the Pitjantjatjara and Yankunytjatjara will have something to say about this?

Koori does not mean every indigenous person in Australia. The Pitjantjatjara and Yankunytjatjara, live around Uluru. The Koori come from Mid Eastern New South Wales. Activist? Good God man, do you even know what you are talking about?? Do you think every indigenous person is Koori?

How on earth can you be in constant touch with elders yet be so incredibly uninformed with regards to the many cultures?

If you really do speak to an Elder, ask them what they think of Captain Cook. Now there is some culture that should be brought forth to the public.

thylacoleo, on 02 November 2009 - 01:52 PM, said:

What I was trying to convey was that the average Australian has not seen a Dead Koala in the bush, so why should a Yowie body be any different. To show road kills is because the koala is too slow for traffic which is why they built those over head rope systems up the coast. I am talking about going into the bush, not a road, where the Yowie roams and finding a dead koala or platypus etc...I have seen road kill too but that wasn't what I was trying to say.

The average city dweller. Millions also reside rurally and have the same experiences I do.
Millions also get into the great outdoors and have witnessed at least two of the four things you mention.

That is why I could offer photographic examples to further my claim.

thylacoleo, on 02 November 2009 - 01:52 PM, said:

The whole point being nature keeps a clean slate and the Yowie is no different, If the live in family groups then you might not ever find a Yowie, if the Yowie is Homo erectus then you might find they bury there dead. It is the habitat I was trying to convey as being one of the reasons that no Yowie body has ever been discovered although maybe there has been bodies in the past judging by certain accounts. Maybe, I just came over wrong

The Million I was referring to where parts of these:

"Within 100 years of European settlement of the continent, the koala was almost extinct. Logging and clearing for farms had wiped out much of the tree-climbing marsupial's habitat and food supply, resulting in a massive drop in the population - but worse, in the guise of trappers was to come.

For the equivalent of 50 cents per pelt, these men began shooting. In 1919 they killed one million koalas, in 1924 they shot two million. Then, on August 1, 1927, open season was declared on koalas for a period of 30 days. In that short time 600,000 adults died. Some 200,000 baby koalas were left to starve to death. The Queensland Government actively participated in this holocaust, reaping a bounty for every animal killed.

But eventually Australian and world outcry resulted in U.S. President Herbert Hoover banning the import of koala skins. By then 90 per cent of the world's most loveable marsupial had been destroyed."

STRZELECKI KOALA MAPPING PROJECT 2005
FRIENDS OF THE EARTH MELBOURNE
SEPTEMBER 2005.

http://www.hancock.f...s/koala2005.htm

The koalas of South Australia were largely exterminated during the early part of the 20th century, but the state has since been repopulated with Victorian stock. Queensland where I am was particularly outraged at the slaughter and were beneficial in repopulating the species.

What a shame the Thylacine was not as lucky,despite the valiant efforts of wildlife warriors like David Fleay. People still claim to see the Thylacine on the mainland not realising just how far from her Mainland Tasmania is, and not realisng the Thylacine went extinct on the mainland over 2,000 years ago. They just hear it went extinct less than 100 years ago and want to have seen it.

All very fascinating but I fail to see how this mass slaughter equates to a "Clean Plate" where Yowies can exist. The Koala pelts numbered in the hundreds of thousands.

thylacoleo, on 02 November 2009 - 01:52 PM, said:

Anyone who has seen a Yowie or knows someone who has you can write to us if you don't want to write in here. You might not have much success talking to people who are trying to discredit the subject and do not research the subject they are criticising..

Haha, LOL, ohh that is sooooo transparent!!!

Don't worry about the nasty skeptics, we will believe you, come over here with us.....

A damn sight easier than scraping together hard fact hey.

People who want to know what they have seen come here. People who want feel-good corroboration go where Yowie believers hang out so they can pat each other on the back and complain about those nasty skeptics!

My offer to post unbiased reports with documentation from the Gold Coast region (and to an extent the Darling Downs) stands firm. Go on, convince a skeptic. I live in the Gold Coast hotspot, I cannot deny the Australian Hairy Man if I see him myself. I have searched this area extensively with no result. If not in a hotspot, where is the big fella?

This post has been edited by psyche101: 02 November 2009 - 06:05 AM

[psyche101]

thylacoleo, on 02 November 2009 - 02:48 PM, said:

As for indigenous the preferred name. The below site I go to alot as an Aboriginal/Koori friend of mine knows them. They use the name Aboriginal and it is not a bad term at all, and in fact many Australians like myself are now versed in their culture and are not derogative towards them at all..Aboriginal is an endearing term not a derogative term at all..Abo is not a nice word, (although again it can represent nothing more than an Abbreviation, just like pom for English people, and not meant to be derogative) either is N***** but we use neither of those derogative terms.

The stolen Generation speech to say sorry used the words: Prime Minster Kevin Rudd-"We apologise especially for the removal of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children from their families, their communities and their country".

Did not the Aborigines/Kooris there applaud Prime Minster Kevin Rudd, who used the name Aboriginal they didn't say it was a term not to be used. Not one article or interview that day said that the term Aboriginal was not to be used.

Now back to the Yowie..


http://aboriginalart.com.au/

Yes, how did Ruddy start his speech?

Quote

"Today we honour the Indigenous peoples of this land, the oldest continuing cultures in human history.

Thus providing the respect to begin with. As you would when public speaking to both sides of the Nation. Many are indeed ignorant to the wishes of the rightful owners of this country.
The term should be used correctly, but any Aussie knows it is not. Seeing the term used with respect for a change is indeed reason for applause. Only thing Ruddy has done right to date. As you would know, the term is largely used without respect, that is why since the 80's indigenous Australians started using the term Indigenous in favor of Aborigine. If you speak to Elders frequently, you would know this.

Riddle me this Indigenous legend, what looks something like an Ant, has red eyes on the side of it's head and devours humans during the night?

Like I said, insisting you are correct over the people themselves is not convincing me that you listen to them. It sounds more like you tell them what their stories mean.

What is Batchelor's Learning Institute called? *Note No Tourism here, the people for the people.

This post has been edited by psyche101: 02 November 2009 - 05:42 AM

[psyche101]

nom kitty, on 02 November 2009 - 02:48 PM, said:

Oh I know what a heatwave is. I lived in Karratha WA (in the Pilbara) for 12 months and was home in Victoria a hr north of Melbs for the fires in Feb...Frig, its the start of November and its already getting toasty.

But in all honesty I'm not really supporting the belief of the Yowie I'm just pointing out that if I were one I probably wouldn't try and hide anywhere in the vicinity of the Gold Coast and that I'd go find a nice cave to decorate with rocks and animal pelts....No, I'm not serious about the interior decorating, but I would find a cave or something for shelter being too big to buggerise around in trees...

And that Man vs Wild, he went to The Kimberlys I believe, in WA and he is an idiot...Am I thinking of the right show? He drank his wee? I know he drank it to survive but he didn't really have to do it, he could have just told us that it is the way to survive out there. Everytime I see that show I want to whack him with a large stick. Sorry, that has nothing to do with anything...

Hahahaha, I see where you are coming from, but if I was lost I would be thinking, well if he can do it for telly, I can do it to stave death off I reckon he is great to watch! The Florida Everglades one was a pearler, I never thought of lighting as fire in a swamp.
But yeah, seriously, poor old Meganthropus succumbed to the rising temps after the Ice age, he cannot survive down here, the PNW or Himalayas is far more suited to such a body shape.

You know funny thing is that some of the reports do come from the Gold Coast, in the Hinterland, although the Ormeau Yowie has not been in the papers for some years now. Even Molendinar LOL - Map of Molendinar (Psst I am behind Nerang on that one)

I am looking forward to toasty, swimming, Ice Creams, extra holidays and beer. What is better? Come On Summer!

Offtopic. I was in WA a bit over a decade ago, nice lot you are I had a great time. I went to Perth, Flew back to Esperance, back to Perth, down to Freemantle, across the Westies and back home. I must go again one day. Long way though, and these Yanks think their PNW is big, we have fences wider than the US itself!

Cheers Kitty.

This post has been edited by psyche101: 02 November 2009 - 05:57 AM

[thylacoleo]

Okay I apologise for my gaff.I was talking about NSW for Koori. As for my friend Al sitting next to me he was and he is indigenous and like most older Aborigines does not care if I use Aborigine, Aboriginal or Indigenous. I even rang the friend I have at the Aboriginal Land Council (a name they are keeping) who stated yes, Indigenous is now a name they use but she and others I spoke to there did not find Aborigine or Aboriginal offensive, As I said Koori-as I am from NSW I used that as I didn't want to offend anyone by just saying Aboriginal. My Mistake.

Mom kitty wrote-I live Karratha WA.

Really I am saving up to go there next June/July and record indigenous rock art that is being destroyed by the multi nationals. When did the prices there become so expensive?

[psyche101]

thylacoleo, on 05 November 2009 - 03:14 PM, said:

Okay I apologise for my gaff.I was talking about NSW for Koori. As for my friend Al sitting next to me he was and he is indigenous and like most older Aborigines does not care if I use Aborigine, Aboriginal or Indigenous. I even rang the friend I have at the Aboriginal Land Council (a name they are keeping) who stated yes, Indigenous is now a name they use but she and others I spoke to there did not find Aborigine or Aboriginal offensive, As I said Koori-as I am from NSW I used that as I didn't want to offend anyone by just saying Aboriginal. My Mistake.

Mom kitty wrote-I live Karratha WA.

Really I am saving up to go there next June/July and record indigenous rock art that is being destroyed by the multi nationals. When did the prices there become so expensive?

Thank you for the honest reply. You just stepped up as notch in my book, for what that is worth Probably not much being me, but there you go!
Please pass my respects along to Al. He is part of an impressive culture and his people have suffered much.
My offer stands, I offer unbiased reports from the SE QLD region. If I can help I will. They will not say YOWIE, but they wont say NOT YOWIE either, I believe the evidences can speak for themselves.

Good Luck with your future ventures.

[thylacoleo]

Hi

Al used to play with me in a band we had together in the 80's. The reason he was at my house the other day was we both went to the Aboriginal Exhibition here, where we started talking about the band and old times, and he had not used the internet before so I said come back to my place and I will show you. Al's mother was Aboriginal and his father was European. Al did have a very good upbringing but his cousins didn't.

About the Gold Coast sightings. Rex, I filmed once in 2004 stating that he had been along that stretch of road and asked the Question. "Where do these yowies come from, the hwy has homes etc..one side and hardly any trees anywhere near the so called sightings when it was running across the hwy, and it could not help but be seen or hit by a car as that's a dangerous stretch at certain times of the day with traffic. Rex called those sightings corporate Yowies. I would be grateful for anything you post from up there, or send to me. Photos of the areas etc..

I am doing a new section which will have all the sightings I have from Rex and I am putting them into categories, colours, sizes, descriptions, footprints, areas, etc..

This also from Rex:

When the number of early European sightings reports are studied it is obvious that there were far more relict hominid sightings throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries than there are today.The early European settlers first came to know about the “hairy people” from Aborigines they befriended and took the existence of these primitive people for granted, regarding them as another race with which the Aborigines had shared the continent. They also came to learn about pygmy-size beings and also giants that roamed the mountain forests of the western ranges.

As civilisation began to spread, in the wake of the land clearances, these primitive races retreated deep into the mountain country, where they apparently still reside. Yet as the 20th century wore on their numbers appear to have decreased, so that today, like the little pygmy folk, there are fewer sightings.

Giant beings are also occasionally encountered, but even these reports have decreased over the years. There can be no doubt that these relatives of Homo erectus proper, are gradually losing ground and will some day go the way of Australopithecus and the Neanderthals. Yet we still have time to learn more about these races, survivors from Australia’s Old Stone-Age who prefer to keep clear of the modern dominant species, Homo sapiens, for with our guns we are a greater threat to them than they ever were against themselves in their own Stone-Age conflicts.

When we discard the great many hoax reports and other unreliable evidence, we are left with a small amount of reliable material which shows that Australian relict hominids have been losing ground for quite some time.

So the question arises: Just how many relict hominids still survive in Australia?

Read more I designed 14 pages about Homo erectus evidence in Australia
Yowie Evidence

[Ra_Sun-God]

psyche101, on 12 January 2009 - 03:35 AM, said:

I am starting to wonder, what the heck is a Yowie?

Hey Mate This should be the closest to Yowie i can think of:

http://www.yowiehunt...=201&Itemid=165

What is a Yowie?

The reader should be in findings on fossil evidence, eye witness reports, academic findings, A.Y.R. research and from many of our fellow research allis from Australia and around the world.

With all that said, remember that unless a specimen is brought in, nobody has all the facts and much of the information is pure hypothesis. No-one can claim to 'know it all'.

So what is it?

There are at least two known kinds of Yowie in Australia that we can be reasonably certain about. There are the large Yowie that is normally between 6-10ft and the smaller, yet fully-grown variety that is roughly 4-5ft. These different species/Genus are found in nearly every Country around the World.

In Australia, there are almost 10,000 'reported' sightings of our ape-man like creature that is said to walk our forests. Could you imagine how may reports or sightings that still remain 'un-reported'?

The aim of this web site is to inform the reader with as many details we can.

The sightings of the "Hairy Man" are not always a 'one off' glimpse, but are sometimes witnessed up to 30 people at the same time over prolonged periods. Could this be mass hysteria? Not likely. There is more evidence to suggest that the Yowie does exist, than not.

Keep in mind that a panel of 5 people can recognise and convict a bank robber in a Court of Law. Imagine what 100 hundred witnesses could do or even a thousand!

Upon the white man, when they first settled in this Country in the late 1700's, the native Aborigines told them in great detail about an ape-man like beast that lived in the forests. At first the settler's thought this was just a tale to scare them away, because such animals were unknown in England and most people had not even heard of such things. However it wasn't long before they found out the stories from these people were more than true.

In 1790, the first official reported sighting of the creature by a white man was released in the local Newspapers in a small country town we now know as Sydney. During the 1800's numerous reports followed through out NSW and also the rest of the country. The 1800's were a buzz with sightings of the creature around the country. Newspapers and magazines began writing about people's encounters as they were reported. In most of these reports, the creature was always described as "an ape" or "ape-like man." The same descriptions given today.

The earliest known Southern sighting to A.Y.R was reported in 1849 on Phillip Island, Victoria. It states that several people had observed a creature, which was 6-7ft tall that resembled a half Baboon - half man. At the time of the sighting, the creature was said to be sitting on the edge of a lake when they shot at it.

Across the boarder in South Australia at approximately the same time during the 1840's, reports were hitting the newspapers about the Aborigine's telling their stories of the "Narcoonah" (Yowie) which lived in their area.

In Western Australia in the mid to late 1800's, 3 white men on expedition told of their strange encounter with a creature, which resembled a monkey. April 1871, a man named George Osbourne saw a "Gorilla type" creature amble down a tree and scared his horse. He said it was around 5 ft tall with black hair and was well developed.

That is just the smallest of samples. The rest of the reports you can read in the web site.

The sightings of the "Yowie" around this Country became epidemic. This was before every home (Shack or dwelling), had Televisions, cars, email, fax, next day delivery, phones and everything was pretty much a two month wait. Yet these reports from around the country, in every port, were describing the same beast? The same beast people describe in great detail today? There is NO change in the description! Don't be sceptical - this is Fact! This 'fact' cannot be ignored; fact MUST be taken into consideration.

In the 1900's with people developing road systems and remote townships, they progressed further through the deeply forested areas. The sightings were on the rapid increase - yet the subject remained "taboo". Although the sightings were frequent, those who had not personally encountered the ape-like creature found it difficult to believe that such a beast could exist in the start of the 1900's. Much like today, we unfortunately think that we know everything there is to know! It was not much different back then with their 100 short years of colonialism. After all, they too at that time thought they were quite advanced with their "today's technology" and of course thought such a creature would have been found or captured by then.

More recently, fossil evidence from South Africa, Asia and Australia has been unearthed suggesting the existence of the creature, and many scientists believe that these creatures that walked upright like man, but with a large ape like head has been extinct for thousands of years. More and more academic's now believe after viewing the evidence, that the creature does in fact exist.

The same Species of this Genus is probably best known in North America/Canada as Sasquatch and in the southern states of America as Bigfoot. In areas of China as yeti or Chi-Chi, North East of Russia as Chuchuna, midland Russia as Almasty. Today in Africa as Pongo and Engeco, Brazil and Argentina as mapinguary, Japan as Nibagon and so on.

The first documented case from the first white settlers of Australia dates back to the 1790's when they often described it as a Gorilla or man-ape. The Aboriginal folklore of the Yowie dates back almost thousand years before the settlement of white man. Depending on which area of Australia the Aboriginals lived and which tribe they belonged, they had many different names for the Yowie including "Noocoonah", "Doolagahl", "Gooligah", "Quinken", "Thoolagal", "Yaroma", "Yahoo", "Jingera", "Jimbra", "Tjandara" and many more.

The name "Yowie" was most probably an adaptation from white man of the close sounding Aboriginal names "Yuuri" and "Yowri", which were two commonly used names for the creature, particularly in N.S.W.

The largest populations of the Yowie would be on the Southeast seaboard of Australia in remote mountainous ranges, although every state in Australia has its share of sightings. Sightings today are being reported more frequently as ever before, however after thousands of Australians sighting the Yowie through the years, there is still very little footage of the creature - however we do have footage in this country. As time goes on and more people build deeper in the woods, we expect the sightings and encounters to continue to grow.

Palaeontology and Archaeology is riddled with debate, politics and conjecture. Some findings from the past that were promptly dismissed, are passed today as Gospel, and other findings that were once considered to be fact have now been changed. The best we can do is report on what is viewed today as the most accurate story according to the most recent findings.

According to Palaeontology, Gigantopithecus would be the most likely suspect to what many people see today in the woods and forests. The fossil evidence found suggest that it could have been up to 12ft tall, 1000lb and walked up right - depending on the varying views from the so-called "experts". It lived as long as 8 million years ago and the most recent remains were around 10,000 years old in China. They were also found in India and South Africa.

One of the interesting aspects about Gigantopithecus was the fact that it also lived during human existence. One theory is that during those times, man had killed most of them off, thus instilling a fear of man and driving them further in to the bush to remote areas where they still survive today. The Aboriginal history also tells of them killing the beast, as well as being killed. There is no other ape in history that suits the description of what people see today, other then Gigantopithecus.

The closest ape to Gigantopithecus would be the genus "Sivapithecus". Sivapithecus also lived around the Miocene epoch, 13-7 million years ago (depending on what you read). Although the main difference between the two is size, the Sivapithecus was more related to the modern day Orangutan.
Giganto being the large and formidable ape like creature that we see today and leaves the huge foot prints, but what about the small "hairy men" that are also often reported?

Again we must look back through history. We have to keep in mind that it is often the case that when a species is declared extinct, it pops its head up years later leaving a little bit of egg on the face of science and sceptics. History has proved many times that extinct certainly DOES NOT mean "extinct", most often simply means "not shot lately!"

So what about these small hairy men? Between the last 500,000 - 5 million years ago, the world was full of them! This isn't a guess; this is fact according to science. The fossil evidence has found that the Australopithecus, Homo Habilis, Homo erectus etc were only around 4ft tall and hairy. There is of coarse differing species of these genus, some were broad and robust while others were more gracile.
The most likely candidate for theses smaller creatures still existing today would be both Australopithecus Robustus and perhaps Homo Habilis.

Robustus lived during the more modern human times as well, and there is little doubt that there would have certainly been conflict for survival between all these different Genus and species. The main factor that gave Robustus an advantage was its powerful physique. It lived around 1-2 million years ago (depending on what you read), and its skull has Gorilla like ridges indicating it had massive chewing power. It had a broad flat face and less projecting jaws. The feet would have been more human like than Giganto, not nearly as large either - which is also what is found in the bush and passed off as human.

Descriptions and analysis:
Gigantopithecus are often reported are between 6 - 10 feet tall. The hair is normally brownish, although there are cases where the reported hair was Reddish/brown, Dusty light brown, Grey or Black.
The hairy normally covers the whole body except the immediate face. The hair length seems vary depending on climate, it is normally between 2-4 inches.

One of the names for this giant in the NT is the giant "Quinken", and is said to be up to 14ft tall with three toes. The toes vary from three to five depending on species (9 out of 10 prints have five toes), and the size of the feet can generally be found from 13" to 20" for the fully-grown creature. They have large eyes that sometimes are reported to glow red or Yellow in the reflection of the moon at night.

The modern Gorillas eyes also reflect red when filmed and seen from certain angles at night. American Cryptozoologist Craig Heinselman tells us that the tapetum lucidum of the Yowies eyes is composed of a white substance on the retina called the guanine. This forms a mirror-like surface. As light passes to the retina it strikes the tapetum and is bounced back through the retina. This allows the retina another chance to send the signal to the brain. This is especially important while hunting wherein low light is filtered to allow for optimisation of the situation. This tapetum also is the cause of the "eye shine" occurrence that is associated with many nocturnal animals.

All primates also exhibit a type of photoreceptor in the eye; these are mechanisms to recognize light and/or colour. One of these photoreceptors is called a rod that is crucial for low light filtering. The other photoreceptor is called the cones and functions best under brighter lights, these cones also factor into colour recognition. The cones centre around a portion of the retina called the fovea, which is like a small indent. Apes and monkeys (some) possess this fovea and hence optimised colour vision.

In the case of nocturnal primates, this fovea is lacking or the photoreceptors are lacking. For instance their douroucouli (Aotus trivirgatus) also called the owl or night monkey from South America is strictly nocturnal and lacks cones in its retinas. Bright lights are detrimental to it, as the light impulses are damaging without the cones of the retina to proses the incoming senses. Another advantage nocturnal primates have is larger eyes in general. This allows for added optimisation of the limited light availability. This in turn affects their feeding habits, as the ability to see better in the dark or twilight means that the chances of finding food are better.

Some Yowies have been reported to have large and prominant fangs; however, this is subject to species we believe and not always the case. They have thick dark skin on the face with deep skin folds and a flattened wide nose with a sagittal crest skull. They often have a strong odour of defecation and urination, although some people describe the smell as rotten eggs.

Some researchers believe that the odour can be emitted at will, like a pheromone sack similar to that of a skunk. This may be true, some of the encounters from the A.Y.R team tell of a distinct odour from the creature on one occasion, yet when they encounter the same creature either the same night or another time, there is no smell? The most likely point to make from the odour perspective is that the Yowie has butt cheeks similar to man, but covered in hair. When most other animals defecate, it generally comes out clean, however with extremely hairy butt cheeks the deification would get caught time and time again, thus the smell. (I hope I put that the nicest way possible!)

They are powerfully built animals with broad shoulders, no neck and muscular legs similar to an ape, yet upright. We estimate their weight between 500-800 pounds. They are sometimes reported a little hunched over with their legs bent and their arms hanging low.

Diet:
The Yowies are omnivorous and they will eat anything available. They've been known to steal chickens and other domestic and farmyard animals and retreat back to the bush with them.
They have been seen eating fruit from people's orchards and going through people's garbage bins and rubbish tips. The yowies also eat road kill and basically anything they can lay their hands on.

Habits:
Some people believe they are solitary in nature because they are mostly sighted alone. This is not entirely true, there are many reports of families being seen together and they have also been sighted in pairs. They are habitual creatures that often stay in the same area for many years, but wander vast areas in search of food.

In Yowie areas, you would more than likely find strange stick structures, snapped trees, massive feats of strength, torn apart trees, human looking trails and trees that have been strangely bent over and woven into forks of other trees.

In the more open areas they like to stay with in the tree line because they don't want to be seen. You can normally find tracks inside the tree line where they follow the main tracks, although there have been some reports of them showing themselves in the open, however this is normally the exception rather then the rule.

They often spend the daytime down in the valleys near water, and find a safe and secure area to sleep; at night they often go to higher ground for hunting or follow the creeks and streams. They differ in personality the same as Humans do, some are passive, and some are dangerous.

A lone human walking through the bush (especially at night), in an active area could be bound for trouble. The Yowie normally stays clear of large groups of humans, but a lone walker could get the scare of his/her life or much worse. It normally starts as a slow 'stalking' process; the victim first thinks he is being followed by another human, as he begins to run, so does the Yowie keeping the same pace. Most will just get a kick out of just scaring you, but as we said it could be much worse if you find yourself alone with one with bad intentions.

If you find yourself in the presence of one of these creatures at night, we recommend a bright torch in the eyes and a lot of loud noise, they will try and scare you off and often follow you from the bush at a 45-degree angle.

They always try to conceal themselves behind objects such as bushes and trees and they are extremely fast through the bush, which is why it is so hard to get a clear photo. Odd shrill whistles and howling are often associated with these creatures. They have great night vision, and they don't like bright lights. They hate being given away by dogs, this irritates them and they often deal with the dog if there is an opportunity.

They are very intelligent in the bush and masters of their environment. They have to be respected.
They sometimes haunt people's homes when they have built on their land. They do this by banging on the walls and doors of their homes in the dead of the night. They are very curious of humans and especially children.

Frequently asked questions:

Why are there no bodies found? No one in Asia has ever found a large primate such as a Gorilla or Orang-utan that has died of natural causes. The large primate goes to the most remote locations in the bush to die in peace, away from predators. After they die, other animals pick the flesh from the carcass until there are only bones left, and then bones are either carried away, covered with dirt and undergrowth or eaten away by the acidic soil. Fossils are the exception rather than the rule. Fossils are rare; otherwise you wouldn't be able to walk a straight line with out stepping on bones everywhere. Keep in mind how many Koalas and Roo's are found dead by natural causes............... none! Even the domestic cat disappears to die.............. The only bodies of Giganto and Robustus found at this stage, are that of fossils. This country also has had its share of fossil evidence.

Why not many photos? Who carries a camera with them at night?
The Yowie is generally a nocturnal primate in human habituated areas, and they roam the most remote areas of our forest.
Occasionally people camping at night will encounter what we call a "fringe walker" Yowie that comes close to civilization and is often only seen briefly, then gone. Not many cameras will work well at night, in fact none of them will.
The Yowie keeps himself hidden while watching the human, and if somehow he IS seen, he normally takes off. Then often by the time the person finds himself a camera and overcomes the fear, it is long gone. If the human chases the Yowie, he will quickly learn that there is no use, its just far too fast and can navigate the most hostile terrain without difficulty.
Always remember that the Yowie has a higher intellect than any other animal, and is smarter than people in its own environment. He does not want to be caught.

How did they get here? The opinion differs from researcher to researcher. Many people believe they walked here from land bridges from Asia during the ice age, which is the most realistic concept. Others believe they could have drifted here on trees and alike after large storms. Some people think they are paranormal...........whatever the fact may be, the most important thing is that they are here.

The Skeptic:
"The unqualified boffin."
Anyone who dismisses thousands of credible first hand witnesses is a fool! Anyone, who claims that all these massive fresh footprints found deep in the harsh jungles must be from either a bare foot Basketballer or Swimmer lost in the woods without their shoes, is a fool!
You'd have to be rather arrogant and self opinionated to say thousands of people who have seen these creatures are wrong. To disclaim 'one' person's sighting is an arrogant thing to do, let alone thousands.

Remember that the Skeptic is far less qualified than the actual "researchers" who study these creatures. The Skeptic is NOT the person who travels the country interviewing the witnesses and certainly doesn't spend the countless hours in the bush like we do. So how can they even comment? They are not qualified to do so.
Wasn't it the skeptic that said the "world is flat?" Well, civilization has come a long way since then (the skeptic has not), and many new varieties of foliage and exciting new creatures are still being found today, however the skeptic will always dismiss the findings of others unless its been presented on a steel table before him. Because by then its too late to cover up the truth, and that's what the Skeptic Society is there for??..
Keep in mind they said the "lung fish" was extinct, yet it has now been found alive and well. They said the tales of the silver back Gorilla was fantasy and the locals were imaging it, yet it is now found alive and well. The mega mouth shark was caught and released once only in 1975, and never seen again. Even the panda was said to be myth! Many animals have only been found in the 1900's, and there will be many new animals found in the future.

There's a lot more to this world than Television and microwave dinners and its only a matter of time before a Yowie is brought back from somewhere....... Which we will find unfortunate.


You mention that according to National Goegraphic, Last Man Standing, Megantrophus died because of sudden climate change from Ice Age to sudden warm climate (sudden climate change so quickly just as quickly it happened like in the "The Day After Tomorrow" movie?), because it could not release enough heat from it's body. Interesting point of view. Who said the Meganthropus died because of climate change? (Sudden climate change?). I thought that the extinction of creatures like for example the Mammoth, Megantrophus, Australopithecus Robustus and Gigantopithecus is because it was a combination of lack of food and killed by the early Homo Sapiens. But, creatures like for example the Gorilla and Orangutan survived the climate change, and the early Homo Sapiens saved their lives (seems so, ohterwise they would not exist today).
Megantrophus, Gigantopithecus and Australopithecus Robustus looks different from the world wide reported Sasquatch like for example Russian Bigfoot, Himalayan Yeti, North American Bigfoot, Brazilian Bigfoot, Florida's Bigfoot, Indian Yeti, the Yowie, and other "Bigfoots" http://www.crystalin...om/bigfoot.html

So all these "Bigfoots" may have survived the climate change from Ice Age to warm climate, just like the Gorilla survived the climate change.

The Gorilla weight up to about 600 pounds and lives in the hot climate of Africa. And according to most Yowie sightings, the average reported Yowie should be about 8 feet to 9 feet tall, and that say between 600 pound to maybe 800 pound. You have to have in mind that the Elephant that lives in the hot climate of Africa is much much heavier than 800 pound!

Most Yowie sightings occour in wood areas of Australia, and please read this report:

http://www.yowiehunt...1185&Itemid=131

Written by AYR ADMIN
Tuesday, 16 June 2009
Bill O'Chee Former Queensland National Party Senator
November 7, 1977
BILL O'Chee can remember it like it was yesterday. It was the day the former Queensland National Party senator came face to face with a creature straight out of a nightmare.

A young O'Chee was with a group of 20 fellow TSS students returning from a two-day camp near Springbrook when they saw what they described as a 3m tall hair-covered creature.

To this day, Mr O'Chee is certain what he saw was the mythical yowie.

He told The Gold Coast Bulletin on November 17, 1977 that the animal approached the boys' camp on several occasions, at one stage coming within 10m of their cabins.

"About 20 of us saw it," he said then.

"It was about 3m tall, covered in hair, had a flat face and walked to the side in a crab-like style.

"It smashed small saplings and trees like matchsticks as it careered through the bush, we spotted it several times and once watched it through binoculars. It definitely was there.

"We first saw it just before we returned back to Southport on the afternoon of October 23."

Contacted this week, Mr O'Chee was happy to confirm the story and said his memory of what he saw was as clear to him today as it was 27 years ago.

"I still remember it, I can still see the damn thing," he said.

"The majority of my school chums still remember it, it was such an amazing experience.

"It was a big thing, about 8ft tall through the binoculars, it moved in a crab-like fashion.

"We saw where it had been lying on the grbutt and the impression it left was about 8ft long.

"That night it just ripped up whole shrubs between the creek and where our camp was, right out of the ground, - roots and all. A bloke can't do that, it was quite incredible."

Mr O'Chee said his experience had left him with the certainty that yowies do exist.

"I do believe it. Nothing that has happened since has made me believe otherwise, all I can say is that it did exist when I saw it," he said.

"Stranger things have happened. In the last couple of years they have discovered animals in the South-East Asian jungle that are new that survived the Vietnam War. And Australia has a history of supporting large fauna.

"I know the school (TSS) never went back there (Springbrook).

"Some of us got into trouble for mentioning it but I'm not sorry because it's true.

"I hope it's still out there and if they are we would be wise to just leave them well alone."

Mr O'Chee's sighting is the most famous of reported incidents involving yowies, but there have been thousands of cases around the country of alleged contact with the famed mythical beast.


Tim the Yowie Man said the legend was alive and well in the Gold Coast Hinterland. He said the Gold Coast was 'the Bermuda Triangle of Australia', and Springbrook, a yowie 'hot spot', was known as the heart of yowie country.

Over the past decades, there have been numerous reports of the hairy creature around Springbrook, but the late 1970s were the most prolific period for sightings.

Within a period of five months from October 1977, at least five separate yowie sightings were reported either in, or on the edges of, Lamington National Park, near Springbrook.

In January 1978, a Sydney tourist reported what was believed to be the second sighting of a yowie at Springbrook in as many months.

"It was horrible. A great big hairy beast about 9ft tall, with no neck, and giving off a terrible smell," said the woman. She was with her boyfriend checking out the view from the Best of All Lookout when she saw the creature crashing through the undergrowth.

"If I had been in Africa I might have thought it was a gorilla. In the American Rockies it could have been a bear," said the woman, who wanted only to be known as 'Helen Smith'.

"But really it was none of those things. It seemed to lumber along crabwise and made funny grunting noises. It was hard to see its face but it was certainly flat.

"There didn't seem to be any prominent nose but its eyes had a wicked gleam."

In August 1978, a shy schoolboy reported a strange encounter with a hideous 8ft monster that looked like a baby King Kong.

A then 13-year-old Shaun Cooper said he was terror stricken after sighting 'a dark hairy thing' using its long arms to strip the bark off a tree in bushland near his home at Yakkayne Street, Nerang.

"It was about 2.30pm on a Sunday," he said.

"I had gone for a ride on my bike when I saw it up the hill a bit. It looked real to me and it was clawing the tree.

"Bark was falling down around its body. Then suddenly it turned and looked at me, putting its arms by its side.

"It looked at me from about 50 yards away for no more than three seconds. I turned and just went for my life."

Shaun and his mates later led a hunt for the creature and said they found footprints that closely resembled giant footprints more than 1ft long.

Photographed at the time by The Bulletin, they did resemble large footprints with three or more claw-shaped toes on each foot. The reporter also noted a tree that had bark torn from it as if it had been clawed by an animal.

Other reported sightings from that time included a man who said he saw a yowie peering in at the front door of a Springbrook house in January 1978.

In February that year, a National Parks and Wildlife worker reported seeing a Yowie near the Antarctic Beeches at Springbrook. He said another Springbrook resident had also seen a female yowie with pendulous mammaries.


In March 1990, Sydney tourist Craig Turnbull discovered 40cm long, 17cm wide footprints in a creekbed in the Numinbah Valley.

He sent plaster castings to yowie hunter Rex Gilroy, who then mounted an expedition to check on these and other reported sightings and footprint finds in the Lamington Plateau, Woodenbong and Kyogle areas.Australia's answer to Tibet's abominable snowman or yeti and North America's bigfoot, the yowie is the subject of myth and legend.

Despite thousands of reported sightings from around the country, the fact that no one has ever snared even a hair from a yowie's head has never dulled the thrill of the chase for yowie hunters.

And Tim the Yowie man, who has been hunting yowies for the past decade, said the huge number of sightings over the years had led him to believe that the yowie, like the truth, was out there.

"Thousands of people have reported seeing these creatures, right back to the Aborigines, and there is no doubt that they have seen what they believe is a yowie," he said.

"That many sightings can't all be hoaxes and they go back well before gorilla suits existed."

Tim said the yowies described in each of the sightings contained plenty of similarities.

The creature often reeks, it lopes sideways like a crab, it grows to 9ft tall, it makes strange grunting noises and when provoked or alarmed gives a high-pitched shriek.

"Most of the sightings are fairly similar although the height can change," he said.


Tim said the Springbrook yowies were renowned for one very prominent feature - they stink.

"There is a report of a ranger there in the early 90s at the Best of All Lookout who vomited at the terrible smell soon after seeing what he claimed was a yowie," he said.

"They have been reported to smell like rotten eggs, probably because they live in the rainforest where they are constantly damp."

But Tim himself was mystified that the number of reported sightings have dwindled to virtually nothing in the past few years.

"The biggest thing to happen in yowie sightings was back in 2000 when a businessman in Canberra managed to get video footage of a black hairy ape-like creature about 50km west of Canberra," he said.

"I went to the location and we were unable to rule it out as a hoax. It is the best evidence we have seen in years.

"But yes, I have started to wonder myself what has happened to the yowies. What happened to all the sightings?

"They seem to have vanished into thin air."

Tim said he believes prolonged drought and development, esp-ecially in areas like the Gold Coast, may have wiped out many yowies or driven them deeper into less developed areas like the mountains in the Border Ranges around Kyogle and Woodenbong.

"Yowies are traditionally said to be shy creatures and they wouldn't like being confronted by a bulldozer moving in on their space," he said.

"But where they have gone is a mystery, just like the yowies themselves are."

And one person who has finally 'fessed up to a fake sighting, 25 years after the event, is Sean Pask. He told The Bulletin in January 1979 that he and three mates saw a yowie in swampy bushland at Hollywell.

"We've seen a horrible hairy thing down in the bush at Hollywell and it grunted and it smelled like yuk," the boys told a Bulletin reporter over the phone.

"And no one believes us and we're sick of people laughing at us and this morning we saw it again - well not exactly saw it, but we did hear it. Honest."

Sean, then 11, his brother Paul, 12, and mates Tyson Franklin, 12, and Peter Loh, 12 lured a Bulletin reporter out into the 'bush' to tell the story of their amazing sighting of the Hollywell Horror, and get their picture in the paper.

But Sean, now 36 and a construction worker living in Brisbane, this week admitted, 'we made it up'.

"I'm the only one who will admit it, the others won't talk," he said.

"It was just four boys mucking around in the bush.

"In those days it was forest all around, we thought we heard something, scared ourselves stupid and the story just grew from there.

"We thought we'd have a bit of a lark and we rang the paper.

"It didn't take much to get our imaginations going in those days. It was a good story at the tim

Psyche101, "Yowies are traditionally said to be shy creatures and they wouldn't like being confronted by a bulldozer moving in on their space," and that means that they are "wild" creatures that lives in the nature, and not in the city. You show pictures of cities of Australia, to show that Yowie sightings is impossible in city areas. And you are correct that Yowie sightings in the middle of the cities would be crazy, because they are said to be "shy" creatures. I myself have never seen a wild African Elephant walking arround in the streets of a big city of South Africa.

And i think that the reason why the Yowie sightings are much more rare by now is that there are lots of alcohol drinking idiots out there with no respect for nature or animals, and because they heard rumors about "Hairy Ape"-like creatures then they go out and make "childish" noices and "childish" shoutings. That is sad that the society turned to be like that of today. More and more people drink alcohol, and more and more children ends up in "Home for children"-institutions. I say it is sad, and we can only watch from the "sideline". Well, i just think that alcohol drinking idiots who disturb the nature out there is one of the reasons why Yowie sightings has decreased, and other people with less knowledge who just want "Souvenir", let alone the bulldozers working to increase the size of the cities. The amount of citizens grow and grow, and it is expected that the population of India will overrun China within few decades as the most populated country in the world. So yes, it is necessary to increase the size of the cities.
Nevertheless I hope there will be more respect for the nature and it's animals someday.

You mentioned that Australia had the hottest summer of sun shine. What if Yowies then spend their time under the trees, caves and other places where there are shadows to protect themselves against the very hot sun shine? What if they sleep in caves, or under trees during a day while the sun burn? Many of the Yowie sightings are supposed to occour after the sun goes down, am i correct? Please correct me if i'm wrong.

This post has been edited by Ra_Sun-God: 07 November 2009 - 08:52 PM

[Ra_Sun-God]

http://paranormal.ab...y/aa040901a.htm
DNA sample of an alleged Yeti: Bryan Sykes, Professor of Human Genetics at the Oxford Institute of Molecular Medicine and one of the world's leading experts on DNA analysis examined the hair. "We found some DNA in it," he said, "but we don't know what it is. It's not a human, not a bear not anything else we have so far been able to identify. It's a mystery and I never thought this would end in a mystery. We have never encountered DNA that we couldn't recognize before."

Does anyone know if there have been found "unknown" hair sample of the alleged Yowie of Australia?
Not a single body of any "Bigfoot" have been found, and that also lead me to this question: How many bodies of other wild animals has been found? I know that some wild animals has been killed by cars, but what about the rest of the wild animals that died of natural courses?

It is said that the number of Yowie sightings have decreased, but i found this reported sighting of this year:

http://www.manningri...ge/1589771.aspx

Yowie sighting near Mount George
BY BELINDA GEAR
7/08/2009 10:24:00 AM

LAST Friday night, Faye Burke and her cousin Alana Garnett left their homes in Wingham with a trailer attached to the car.

They were driving towards Cundle Flat to load the trailer with fresh pumpkins from Faye's brother's home.

"It was half moonlight, the stars were out and it was a beautiful night," Faye said.

But oddly enough there was not a car on the Nowendoc Road. "I have been driving that road all my life and that's unusual," she said.

Driving steadily the pair were approaching Connelly's Creek Gap "just on the other side of Mt George".

"We were about 200 metres from the top of the hill when I clearly remember looking down at the car clock and it was exactly 7.30pm," Faye said.

"I looked back up at the road and I saw ahead in the headlights this big hairy animal thing on the side of the winding road.

"It was about eight foot tall and four foot wide."

Alana said they yelled out "holy hell" along with a list of other unmentionable words. "We panicked," they said.

"I couldn't turn the car around because I had the trailer and the road was too narrow," Faye said.

"I was s**t-scared and thought I better not mess with this thing in case it lifts the trailer up and tips us over the bank edge."

Keeping her foot on the accelerator and speeding past the thing, Faye said she turned to Alana and said: "Did you see that? She said in a scared voice: 'Do you mean that thing that looked like a Big Foot?' I said: No it was a Yowie."

And Alana screamed back: "Same thing!".

"After we reached the top of the hill I wanted to turn around and get a photo with my mobile phone," Faye said.

But Alana was too scared to go back. She said if the passenger window had been wound down she could have reached out and touched it.

Faye and Alana said the hairy thing stood perfectly still "like it was at attention".

"Its back was facing us and it was looking into the embankment next to the road and it had dark chocolate brown hair which was all matted," Alana said.

"The breeze of the car made the hair around its neck flick up as we drove past."

Neither Alana or Faye believe it was a person dressed up or a ghost. "It was real," they said.

"And I am absolutely convinced it was a yowie."

Faye just wishes she had gone back and taken a photo.

"I knew people wouldn't believe us and I didn't phone the police because I thought they would think we were loopy."

Faye said: "I am not a drinker and I hadn't been drinking but I did have a beer when I got to my brother's house that night.

"When we arrived at my brother's house we almost fell out of the car," she said. "He told us we both had white faces and we were both trying to tell our story at the same time."

They returned to the exact location the next morning to attempt to find hair samples and footprints and take photos.

"We didn't find any hair but we found an indentation in the ground resembling a giant footprint and a big spot of urine."

She said the urine had stripped part of the bark near a tree and looked like oily spots - "and it stunk".

"I will never forget what we saw," Faye said.

And it is an image neither can take out of their mind.

"I can't sleep at night because I can't stop thinking about it," Faye said.

And Alana said she still sees it when she closes her eyes and tries to go to sleep.

Miraculously when Faye was printing out her photos of the footprint at Big W in Taree, with her daughter, a woman next to her heard her conversation and said she saw a Yowie in Grafton.

"The goose bumps came all over me, up from my heel right up to my head, and I thought thank God for the confirmation that there are other people who have seen one too," Faye said

"I will never stop looking for it." But Alana believes "it is something they will never see again".

FACTS:

Yowie expert, Mr Rex Gilroy has spent more than 20 years gathering reported sightings and other evidence of the Yowie.

According to Mr Gilroy the characteristics of a Yowie are identical to those reported of America's "Bigfoot" and also the Himalayan "Abominable Snowman".

He is quoted on the web for saying the Aborigines have known of the Yowie for thousands of years.

Mr Gilroy saw a Yowie in 1970 in Katoomba and since then has returned to the area, led Yowie searches and asked for people to share their information and sightings.

He said generally, most people are reluctant to come forward with personal experiences of this nature for fear of ridicule.

I have recently contactet another Australian Yowie "Expert" with 30 years of experience in his Yowie research field, and this Australian fellow who i have the great honor to meet over the Internet, he have sighted a family of Yowies, the biggest Yowie to be about 8 feet tall in this reported sighting.

This post has been edited by Ra_Sun-God: 07 November 2009 - 10:13 PM

[Clobhair-cean]

Fact: Rex Gilroy is a fraud who can't tell a pyramid from a vineyard.


Also, a non-human primate living in Australia just doesn't make any sense. Australia has no large placental mammals that didn't come by boats, not even in the fossil record. How on earth could a huge hominid end up there then?

[Night Walker]

Ra_Sun-God, on 08 November 2009 - 07:54 AM, said:

I have recently contactet another Australian Yowie "Expert" with 30 years of experience in his Yowie research field, and this Australian fellow who i have the great honor to meet over the Internet, he have sighted a family of Yowies, the biggest Yowie to be about 8 feet tall in this reported sighting.

Care to name this yowie "expert"?

Is "yowie expert" how he describes himself or how you would describe him?

The brief description of the alleged sighting sounds familiar. It's not Brett Green, is it?

This report came from very credible witnesses who said that while camping in the hut they had seen three there. Apparently, just on duck while cooking a BBQ, they sighted a large male, a female and a juvenile approach from the valley near the hut on the edge of the bushline. The family of Yowies stood and observed the humans as they cooked their meat while fully aware of the visitors. After discussion, they left 3 pieces of meat on the cooker and retreated to the cabin and watched from the window. The smallest (juvenile), made a quick dash from the bushline to the BBQ and gathered up the remaining meat and ran back to mum and dad with the rewards, then they all walked off down the valley.
http://www.yowiehunt...d=736&Itemid=39

This post has been edited by Night Walker: 08 November 2009 - 04:28 AM

[Ra_Sun-God]

Clobhair-cean, on 07 November 2009 - 10:23 PM, said:

Fact: Rex Gilroy is a fraud who can't tell a pyramid from a vineyard.


Also, a non-human primate living in Australia just doesn't make any sense. Australia has no large placental mammals that didn't come by boats, not even in the fossil record. How on earth could a huge hominid end up there then?

It is obvious you don't know much about Rex Gilroy's many years experience of work. Beside, Rex Gilroy is not the only person on this planet who do research and practical work on Yowie.

Please read my first post fromt this page 7, and here is some of it:

Frequently asked questions:

Why are there no bodies found? No one in Asia has ever found a large primate such as a Gorilla or Orang-utan that has died of natural causes. The large primate goes to the most remote locations in the bush to die in peace, away from predators. After they die, other animals pick the flesh from the carcass until there are only bones left, and then bones are either carried away, covered with dirt and undergrowth or eaten away by the acidic soil. Fossils are the exception rather than the rule. Fossils are rare; otherwise you wouldn't be able to walk a straight line with out stepping on bones everywhere. Keep in mind how many Koalas and Roo's are found dead by natural causes............... none! Even the domestic cat disappears to die.............. The only bodies of Giganto and Robustus found at this stage, are that of fossils. This country also has had its share of fossil evidence.

Why not many photos? Who carries a camera with them at night?
The Yowie is generally a nocturnal primate in human habituated areas, and they roam the most remote areas of our forest.
Occasionally people camping at night will encounter what we call a "fringe walker" Yowie that comes close to civilization and is often only seen briefly, then gone. Not many cameras will work well at night, in fact none of them will.
The Yowie keeps himself hidden while watching the human, and if somehow he IS seen, he normally takes off. Then often by the time the person finds himself a camera and overcomes the fear, it is long gone. If the human chases the Yowie, he will quickly learn that there is no use, its just far too fast and can navigate the most hostile terrain without difficulty.
Always remember that the Yowie has a higher intellect than any other animal, and is smarter than people in its own environment. He does not want to be caught.

How did they get here? The opinion differs from researcher to researcher. Many people believe they walked here from land bridges from Asia during the ice age, which is the most realistic concept. Others believe they could have drifted here on trees and alike after large storms. Some people think they are paranormal...........whatever the fact may be, the most important thing is that they are here.

The Skeptic:
"The unqualified boffin."
Anyone who dismisses thousands of credible first hand witnesses is a fool! Anyone, who claims that all these massive fresh footprints found deep in the harsh jungles must be from either a bare foot Basketballer or Swimmer lost in the woods without their shoes, is a fool!
You'd have to be rather arrogant and self opinionated to say thousands of people who have seen these creatures are wrong. To disclaim 'one' person's sighting is an arrogant thing to do, let alone thousands.

Remember that the Skeptic is far less qualified than the actual "researchers" who study these creatures. The Skeptic is NOT the person who travels the country interviewing the witnesses and certainly doesn't spend the countless hours in the bush like we do. So how can they even comment? They are not qualified to do so.
Wasn't it the skeptic that said the "world is flat?" Well, civilization has come a long way since then (the skeptic has not), and many new varieties of foliage and exciting new creatures are still being found today, however the skeptic will always dismiss the findings of others unless its been presented on a steel table before him. Because by then its too late to cover up the truth, and that's what the Skeptic Society is there for??..
Keep in mind they said the "lung fish" was extinct, yet it has now been found alive and well. They said (skeptics) the tales of the silver back Gorilla was fantasy and the locals were imaging it, yet it is now found alive and well! The mega mouth shark was caught and released once only in 1975, and never seen again. Even the panda was said to be myth! Many animals have only been found in the 1900's, and there will be many new animals found in the future.

There's a lot more to this world than Television and microwave dinners and its only a matter of time before a Yowie is brought back from somewhere....... Which we will find unfortunate.

And from my second post on this page 7:

Aborigines have known of the Yowie for thousands of years...

This post has been edited by Ra_Sun-God: 08 November 2009 - 10:58 AM

[Clobhair-cean]

Ra_Sun-God, on 08 November 2009 - 11:21 AM, said:

It is obvious you don't know much about Rex Gilroy's many years experience of work.

I know enough to dismiss him as a lunatic.

Ra_Sun-God, on 08 November 2009 - 11:21 AM, said:

Why are there no bodies found? No one in Asia has ever found a large primate such as a Gorilla or Orang-utan that has died of natural causes. The large primate goes to the most remote locations in the bush to die in peace, away from predators. After they die, other animals pick the flesh from the carcass until there are only bones left, and then bones are either carried away, covered with dirt and undergrowth or eaten away by the acidic soil. Fossils are the exception rather than the rule. Fossils are rare; otherwise you wouldn't be able to walk a straight line with out stepping on bones everywhere. Keep in mind how many Koalas and Roo's are found dead by natural causes............... none! Even the domestic cat disappears to die.............. The only bodies of Giganto and Robustus found at this stage, are that of fossils. This country also has had its share of fossil evidence.

Nonsense. If you google "dead koala", the second image you see is of one that died of natural causes. Same for kangaroos. Hell, we knew of the colossal squid from its carcasses before it was ever seen alive. The world is teaming with carcasses of every single animal, apart from the phantom giant primates, who leave absolutely not trace behind.

Yes, fossilisation is rare, but since there are usually a lot of animals in one population, for millions of years, we generally have traces of a lot of animals.

Ra_Sun-God, on 08 November 2009 - 11:21 AM, said:

How did they get here? The opinion differs from researcher to researcher. Many people believe they walked here from land bridges from Asia during the ice age, which is the most realistic concept. Others believe they could have drifted here on trees and alike after large storms. Some people think they are paranormal...........whatever the fact may be, the most important thing is that they are here.

There were no such land bridges. In fact, Asia and Australia weren't connected since Pangea. And please enlighten me how a single, half-dead individual who arrives to Australia clinging onto a branch (not that it is viable for an at least human-sized animal to survive such a journey) could establish a population? If it cannot be there by any credible means, it is not there.

Ra_Sun-God, on 08 November 2009 - 11:21 AM, said:

The Skeptic:
"The unqualified boffin."
Anyone who dismisses thousands of credible first hand witnesses is a fool! Anyone, who claims that all these massive fresh footprints found deep in the harsh jungles must be from either a bare foot Basketballer or Swimmer lost in the woods without their shoes, is a fool!
You'd have to be rather arrogant and self opinionated to say thousands of people who have seen these creatures are wrong. To disclaim 'one' person's sighting is an arrogant thing to do, let alone thousands.

be it one person or thousands, eyewitnesses are unreliable and constitute as no evidence whatsoever. And the footprints can easily be simple fabrications of the unqualified loons like Rex Gilroy who built his whole existence on such claims and sells thousands of books with them.

Ra_Sun-God, on 08 November 2009 - 11:21 AM, said:

Remember that the Skeptic is far less qualified than the actual "researchers" who study these creatures. The Skeptic is NOT the person who travels the country interviewing the witnesses and certainly doesn't spend the countless hours in the bush like we do. So how can they even comment? They are not qualified to do so.

This is a falsehood. skeptics (let's call them proper scientist) also do field research, but because of their qualifications they can identify a biological impossibility when they see one.

Ra_Sun-God, on 08 November 2009 - 11:21 AM, said:

Wasn't it the skeptic that said the "world is flat?"

No. No-one said this ever since people started thinking and calculating about this. Ever since the 4th century BCE.

Ra_Sun-God, on 08 November 2009 - 11:21 AM, said:

Keep in mind they said the "lung fish" was extinct, yet it has now been found alive and well. They said (skeptics) the tales of the silver back Gorilla was fantasy and the locals were imaging it, yet it is now found alive and well. The mega mouth shark was caught and released once only in 1975, and never seen again. Even the panda was said to be myth! Many animals have only been found in the 1900's, and there will be many new animals found in the future.

None of these animals were a biological impossibility, and all were discovered by proper scientists and not unqualified enthusiasts.

Ra_Sun-God, on 08 November 2009 - 11:21 AM, said:

Aborigines have known of the Yowie for thousands of years...

No. There has been an Aboriginal legend about Yowie for thousands of years. That's a difference. Or do you also claim that the Rainbow Serpent created the geographical features of Australia, the Minka Bird foretells death, and all the other myths?

[Ra_Sun-God]

Night Walker, on 08 November 2009 - 04:09 AM, said:

Care to name this yowie "expert"?

Is "yowie expert" how he describes himself or how you would describe him?

The brief description of the alleged sighting sounds familiar. It's not Brett Green, is it?

This report came from very credible witnesses who said that while camping in the hut they had seen three there. Apparently, just on duck while cooking a BBQ, they sighted a large male, a female and a juvenile approach from the valley near the hut on the edge of the bushline. The family of Yowies stood and observed the humans as they cooked their meat while fully aware of the visitors. After discussion, they left 3 pieces of meat on the cooker and retreated to the cabin and watched from the window. The smallest (juvenile), made a quick dash from the bushline to the BBQ and gathered up the remaining meat and ran back to mum and dad with the rewards, then they all walked off down the valley.
http://www.yowiehunt...d=736&Itemid=39

Hey 'Night Walker'

Yes, it is Brett Green himself i have the great honor to writing with.

I agree, that is a very interesting report about a family of Yowies observed the humans cooking BBQ meat. And very kind of these people to leave some BBQ meat to the Yowies, a good example how to act kindly to these "neighbours"

I'm about to "study" the www.yowiehunters.com.au website. Interesting website

[Ra_Sun-God]

Clobhair-cean, on 08 November 2009 - 11:07 AM, said:

There has been an Aboriginal legend about Yowie for thousands of years. That's a difference.

It is NOT a myth! Aborigines have known of the Yowie for thousands of years. The Aborigines have lived side by side with the Yowies long before the white man came to their land!

http://bushapes.blogspot.com/

Are you people kidding?!
No! The more we investigate this phenomenon, the thicker the plot gets. There are literally hundreds if not thousands of sightings, from the first days of British colonisation. The aborigines have stories of these things going back who knows how long. We and others have interviewed many many very normal people with extraordinary experiences of huge ape-like creatures. Entire communities in the Blue Mountains know about these things. Local people have joined in the chase for them. Politicians have reported seeing them.
And through all this, we maintain scepticism. And if we are fortunate enough to see one of these things with our own eyes, we will no doubt transform into one of the "believers". SOMETHING is definitely going on that isn't shown on TV, just exactly what it is, we are not yet sure.

Is the Yowie a Hoax?
No. Neither is it a myth. "It" exists, no question, whatever "it" is. If not, it would have to be an incredibly elaborate system of hoaxes going back over hundreds of years. There are just too many people with physical experiences of it to be dismissed as a big hoax or "old tales". Sightings are on-going, right now! In some areas of high yowie activity, sightings are frequent down entire streets backing onto bush. Entire neigbourhoods know about the antics of these things. When a Yowie stands 1 m in front of you and roars, you are not likely to think it's a possum or a cockatoo, are you? When we talk to these people and tell them that city folk laugh about people who believe in Yowies, they just say they don't care if others believe or not. They know it exists and many just couldn't be bothered proving it to the rest of the world.
"Those who ridicule the existence of the Yowie are simply ignorant of the facts".

And now to Africa:

They said (skeptics) the tales of the silver back Gorilla was fantasy and the locals were imaging it, yet it is now found alive and well!

Those skeptics who denied the existence of the silver back Gorilla back then, and ACCUSED the LOCALS for IMAGING it, those skeptics should be ashame, don't you think?

This post has been edited by Ra_Sun-God: 08 November 2009 - 01:29 PM