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[Godsnmbr1]

I doubt it.  People wanted to feel good about themselves, which is why we all gave Obama the benefit of the doubt at first.  Like some sort of nationwide self-delusion.  I don't think a white candidate would have made it through the scrutiny of our cynicism.

[Godsnmbr1]

And yes, this is just the perspective of a white American.  Obama's support within the black community would obviously be a different matter.

[faraway]

I don't think he won because he was black. I think he won because people didn't want the spawn of satan as VP

[aquatus1]

I disagree.  I voted as much against McCain as I did for Obama.

[acidhead]

-regardless how or why Obama won,  the honeymoon will be relatively short once the voters wake up to the fact that America's future

will be in the hands of International Bankers poised as the solution to total financial collapse...

Obama has stated over and over choices will not be popular...

[Godsnmbr1]

Ok, ignore the presidential election.  Obviously Obama was going to win against McCain and Palin.  What about Hillary though?  He would have never even made it past the primaries.

[Bez]

Godsnmbr1 on Jan 22 2009, 01:09 PM, said:

I doubt it.  People wanted to feel good about themselves, which is why we all gave Obama the benefit of the doubt at first. Like some sort of nationwide self-delusion.  I don't think a white candidate would have made it through the scrutiny of our cynicism.

I agree with the underlined portion.  My own mother calls me racist when I try to explain the reasons I didn't vote for him.  

Here's a question for you guys. Hypothetically, what if Obama was a republican and ran, and McCain was democrat and ran?  Who would have won?

[Neognosis]

If McCain was a democrat, meaning most of his platform would have been totally different, he probably would have won too. I think that country blames a lot of the problems with the economy and the war in Iraq and the state of healthcare on the repulicans, whether that's right or not.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

Godsnmbr1 on Jan 22 2009, 01:25 PM, said:

Ok, ignore the presidential election.  Obviously Obama was going to win against McCain and Palin.  What about Hillary though?  He would have never even made it past the primaries.

Would hillary have even been in the picture if she were a man?

[Bez]

Neognosis on Jan 22 2009, 02:21 PM, said:

If McCain was a democrat, meaning most of his platform would have been totally different, he probably would have won too. I think that country blames a lot of the problems with the economy and the war in Iraq and the state of healthcare on the repulicans, whether that's right or not.

See I kind of think that Obama got the nomination from the democrats because he was black.  Kind of an ace in the hole.  His appearance is everything Bush isn't.  A short old white republican who messed a lot up will be replaced by a short old white republican or a tall black democrat.  Rubber band effect.

[eqgumby]

Wow, this is like, EXACTLY the same as another thread.
Yes, Obama is where he is in large part because of his race. Just like the last 43 presidents (did I get that right?).

[Neognosis]

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See I kind of think that Obama got the nomination from the democrats because he was black. Kind of an ace in the hole.

I don't think being black was a sure thing. I'm relatively certain that picking a black candidate was a gamble. But so would have been picking a woman.  There was a lot of talk that people would pull up short of voting for a black man.

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His appearance is everything Bush isn't. A short old white republican who messed a lot up will be replaced by a short old white republican or a tall black democrat.

I did't think bush was short. He's short? Well, if people vote for stupid reasons like height and skin color, or accent or marital status or any of that nonsense, we don't deserve to have a good leader.

[Bez]

Neognosis on Jan 22 2009, 02:41 PM, said:

I did't think bush was short. He's short? Well, if people vote for stupid reasons like height and skin color, or accent or marital status or any of that nonsense, we don't deserve to have a good leader.

Shorter than Obama.  It's like the earth is big...but compared to the sun it's small.  That kind of thing.  

And as for the bolded part:  Neo...this is America.  What do you expect?  I would say at least 50% of voters don't know what's going on when they hear a debate on tv.

[Neognosis]

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I would say at least 50% of voters don't know what's going on when they hear a debate on tv.

That's been very apparent over the past decade.

[Kevin7557]

Godsnmbr1 on Jan 22 2009, 01:10 PM, said:

And yes, this is just the perspective of a white American.  Obama's support within the black community would obviously be a different matter.

You know it is statements like that that promote the current racial problem in america as you can not see yourself a human being but rather as a white person. And yes blacks have the same problem even though most claim to want to end racism they are more racist then the KKK. You can disagree all you want that doesn't make it untrue. But I am not going to prattle on about racism as that would need a different thread.


As for the topic of the forum. Ha ha ha ha ha ha....HA ha ha ha ha ha. Well enough said. Yes america has deluded themselves greatly in this matter. Though I haven't. They mearly chose to believe someone becaus they were promised a end to their suffering and didn't want to look at what was actually going on in front of their own faces along with past evidence of Obama which doesn't go to well for him.

Edited by Kevin7557, 22 January 2009 - 09:09 PM.