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#31    Kevin7557

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Posted 23 January 2009 - 05:48 AM

Godsnmbr1 on Jan 23 2009, 12:34 AM, said:

Okay, since you're somehow having a problem understanding this let me rephrase your statement using only its most crucial parts.  

Blacks are more racist than the KKK.

Do you see it now?  I really really hope so.  Maybe you're dyslexic and you don't realize what it is you've actually written, I don't know.

only when you take it out of context. Many things sound bad like that when taken out of context. Like if I were to give a paragraph and in there say something about me killing obama and it was taken out of context it would look like I said I am going to kill obama when in context it is I will never say something as stupid as I am going to kill obama. See the difference.

Yes I realize what I have written I wrote it. In context it pionts out the fact that both sides have the problem and that they are more racist than the KKK. And in ways they are. They don't go to anti white rallies but they have their own type of racism. It is the state of things. You should check out my solution to racism thread and you will relise I can say things that are like that with no hate cause I will not give these words negative meanings, you know like you seem to be doing by attempting to point out that by saying that I am no better than the people I am talking about while at the same time I not realising that I never claim to be. Which really is the hinderence to your whole argument you are trying to make by pointing out what you are pointing out but unfortunatly you are taking things out of context which twists their meanings. They breed more racism than any other race on this planet. Point blank. I will defend that argument when I am not tired.

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Posted 23 January 2009 - 05:53 AM

What context?!  Go look at what you wrote and then show me this magical context that somehow changes the meaning of what you wrote.

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Posted 23 January 2009 - 06:26 AM

aquatus1 on Jan 22 2009, 01:11 PM, said:

I disagree.  I voted as much against McCain as I did for Obama.

I say that this whole race/creed/gender/class thing has gotten WAY OUT OF HAND! People need to grow up and understand that anyone can do anything. no matter who they are and how they get there. if it's doing the right thing (no matter if it's in their eyes or our's) then I say that it's all well worth it. He's the president now, so get over it and let's see what this guy can and can not do. Just one man's opinion, I don't care if you hate me for this comment or not, just figured i'd be honest and speak the truth from my heart.

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Posted 23 January 2009 - 12:02 PM

Godsnmbr1 on Jan 23 2009, 12:23 AM, said:

Are you insane or just extremely naive?  

Race and sex had nothing to do with it...  Come on.


Watch it with the name calling. I did no such thing to you. When I make a statement on here 9 times out of 10 it isn't a complete statement. It is meant to make the reader ponder it more deeply. #1, I was speaking about the democratic nomination, not the entire race. I appologize if that wasn't clear. I say again... Race and gender had no effect. Ponder it for a while.

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Posted 23 January 2009 - 03:04 PM

Godsnmbr1 on Jan 23 2009, 12:53 AM, said:

What context?!  Go look at what you wrote and then show me this magical context that somehow changes the meaning of what you wrote.


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You know it is statements like that that promote the current racial problem in america as you can not see yourself a human being but rather as a white person. And yes blacks have the same problem even though most claim to want to end racism they are more racist then the KKK. You can disagree all you want that doesn't make it untrue. But I am not going to prattle on about racism as that would need a different thread.

As you can see in green I am pointing out the white aspect of it. Then in Red I point out that it is just as prevalant in the black community. Together it is pointing out a general realm of problem and not singleing out blacks as the only sourse. Though I should have include more on whites the statement stands. Racism has many different faces and many different flavors. You have you garden variety pure hate that everyone is aware. Then there is the fuel of racism which you are all guilty of. We can't say that cause it offends. Why not? freedom of speech revoked lately and I just wasn't informed of the constitutional change? The freedom of speech gives you the right to say whatever dumb *** thing that comes into mind no matter who it offends. That is you first basic freedom and a freedom that they considered so great they put it in the constituion first. Now don't forget that. Most if not all black people give power to the N word. That is a form of racism. You see words by themselves are just that words. No meaning no purpose, no power. We the people choose to give them power and that is the true problem of racsim is that we give the power to the racists. When you can say any racist statement and it leaves your lips with no more power than that of which you give it then you are free of racism. Till then you are no better. It is this problem which has gone unaddressed for so long that needs to be dealt with to finaly end racism. Now if you don't agree fine. Go back to being a racist. How many of you have actually defined the N word to give it specific meaning? And yet no one will say it cause blacks don't like it cause then you will be called a racist or ignorant for saying a word they don't like. No it is them who is racist and ignorant for giving power to a word or symbol of hatred. It is time to take it back and reclaim your power of words and to end racism once and for all. Cause a fire by itself will only burn itself out and that is the same with hatred. I think Martin Luther had something like that about kindness or someone like him I can't remember who it was about niceness is the way to be evil or something like that.

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Posted 23 January 2009 - 03:11 PM

Kevin7557 on Jan 23 2009, 04:04 PM, said:

When you can say any racist statement and it leaves your lips with no more power than that of which you give it then you are free of racism.


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Posted 23 January 2009 - 04:31 PM

He wouldn't have won. People putting some much emphasis on "Obama is the first black president" instead of "Obama is the next president" proves that.

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Posted 23 January 2009 - 05:02 PM

Knight of the Twilight on Jan 23 2009, 11:31 AM, said:

He wouldn't have won. People putting some much emphasis on "Obama is the first black president" instead of "Obama is the next president" proves that.


It proves nothing. All it proves is that people are excited that we elected a black president. Just as they would have been excited if we elected a preident with a female vice president.

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Posted 23 January 2009 - 05:22 PM

Dr. Peter Venkman on Jan 23 2009, 12:02 PM, said:

It proves nothing. All it proves is that people are excited that we elected a black president. Just as they would have been excited if we elected a preident with a female vice president.


There should be no emphasis on race at all in any form. Just saying that his presidency is historic, as many have, is racism in itself. If there is to be a world devoid of racism, then people must not classify themselves as white, black, or anything else. To be without racism, one must only see people, not color. To see Obama as anything other than "President" is racist.

Edited by Knight of the Twilight, 23 January 2009 - 05:23 PM.

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Posted 23 January 2009 - 05:36 PM

Knight of the Twilight on Jan 23 2009, 12:22 PM, said:

There should be no emphasis on race at all in any form. Just saying that his presidency is historic, as many have, is racism in itself. If there is to be a world devoid of racism, then people must not classify themselves as white, black, or anything else. To be without racism, one must only see people, not color. To see Obama as anything other than "President" is racist.


No, you are incorect. To not "see race" is impossible, unless you are Steven Colbert. tongue.gif The key is to respect that person and admire them because of their race, nationality or whatever. If someone feels disparaged because others are excited due to the accomplishments of a person of a different race than their own, that's their own personal issue. And indeed may be construed as racist from a certain point of view.



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Posted 23 January 2009 - 05:39 PM

Dr. Peter Venkman on Jan 23 2009, 12:36 PM, said:

No, you are incorect. To not "see race" is impossible, unless you are Steven Colbert. tongue.gif The key is to respect that person and admire them because of their race, nationality or whatever. If someone feels disparaged because others are excited due to the accomplishments of a person of a different race than their own, that's their own personal issue. And indeed may be construed as racist from a certain point of view.


Heh, I can see this is something we won't agree, so I'll end here and leave my words as they are.

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Posted 23 January 2009 - 05:44 PM

Dr. Peter Venkman on Jan 23 2009, 05:02 PM, said:

It proves nothing. All it proves is that people are excited that we elected a black president. Just as they would have been excited if we elected a preident with a female vice president.

You are choosing to ignore the huge number of voters who only voted for him based on his race.


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Posted 23 January 2009 - 05:48 PM

Knight of the Twilight on Jan 23 2009, 12:39 PM, said:

Heh, I can see this is something we won't agree, so I'll end here and leave my words as they are.


Agreed! How bout' them bea......steelers



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Posted 23 January 2009 - 05:50 PM

Reeno on Jan 23 2009, 12:44 PM, said:

You are choosing to ignore the huge number of voters who only voted for him based on his race.


And you are choosing to ignore the huge number of people who didn't vote for him based upon his race. Which does what to the race issue in this election?.....negates it. DUN DUN DUUUUNNN. understand?



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Posted 23 January 2009 - 05:50 PM

Godsnmbr1 on Jan 23 2009, 10:11 AM, said:

You're not doing it right.


Says you. I hold no value to the words. I say them with a different meaning. Words are words. It is sentenses which should matter but you can't see that cause you are a racist.

Knight of the Twilight on Jan 23 2009, 11:31 AM, said:

He wouldn't have won. People putting some much emphasis on "Obama is the first black president" instead of "Obama is the next president" proves that.


Thankyou. Thankyou. Finally someone freaking gets it.

Knight of the Twilight on Jan 23 2009, 12:22 PM, said:

There should be no emphasis on race at all in any form. Just saying that his presidency is historic, as many have, is racism in itself. If there is to be a world devoid of racism, then people must not classify themselves as white, black, or anything else. To be without racism, one must only see people, not color. To see Obama as anything other than "President" is racist.


People should notice race but it should matter. We are the Human Race. But no one is perfect.

Dr. Peter Venkman on Jan 23 2009, 12:36 PM, said:

No, you are incorect. To not "see race" is impossible, unless you are Steven Colbert. tongue.gif The key is to respect that person and admire them because of their race, nationality or whatever. If someone feels disparaged because others are excited due to the accomplishments of a person of a different race than their own, that's their own personal issue. And indeed may be construed as racist from a certain point of view.

I don't see race. Must be racist. I took a long look at a black person to see the difference that people put so much emphasis on. You want to know what I saw. Another human being much like myself whos skin was darker than mine. That was it. He was the same.

Black people are not a race nether are white. Technically if they are to be called a race it would be american. It is those who would point out our differences who are the true racists in this world. Black are no different then white people in anyway that has to do with their color. If you can't see that then that is truely sad that you are so blind. I hope one day you will open your eyes.

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