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#46    Reeno

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Posted 23 January 2009 - 06:04 PM

Dr. Peter Venkman on Jan 23 2009, 05:50 PM, said:

And you are choosing to ignore the huge number of people who didn't vote for him based upon his race. Which does what to the race issue in this election?.....negates it. DUN DUN DUUUUNNN. understand?

That is an emotional response that can't be backed.

Negates, nothing.


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Posted 23 January 2009 - 06:07 PM

Kevin7557 on Jan 23 2009, 12:50 PM, said:

Says you. I hold no value to the words. I say them with a different meaning. Words are words. It is sentenses which should matter but you can't see that cause you are a racist.


Thankyou. Thankyou. Finally someone freaking gets it.


People should notice race but it should matter. We are the Human Race. But no one is perfect.

I don't see race. Must be racist. I took a long look at a black person to see the difference that people put so much emphasis on. You want to know what I saw. Another human being much like myself whos skin was darker than mine. That was it. He was the same.

Black people are not a race nether are white. Technically if they are to be called a race it would be american. It is those who would point out our differences who are the true racists in this world. Black are no different then white people in anyway that has to do with their color. If you can't see that then that is truely sad that you are so blind. I hope one day you will open your eyes.

No... American is a nationality... You have to understand that yes, we are all humans, when taken at face value. However, there are many different cultures as well as races within our own nation. To strip someone of their racial and cultural heritage is to belittle them. As far as your supposed ability to not see race is concerned Why are you upset that people are refering to President Obama as the first black president then? Why are you worried about him recieving votes just because he was black? I thought you didn't see race? You need to open your eyes son. Maybe go out and gain some world experience. Join the military, go to college, I dunno. Interact with people of different race and cultures rather than make a bunch of wild suppositions.

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Posted 23 January 2009 - 06:15 PM

Reeno on Jan 23 2009, 01:04 PM, said:

That is an emotional response that can't be backed.

Negates, nothing.


Oh boy, let us examine our discussion. You stated as fact that I am ignoring the "huge number of people that voted for him because of his race" a truly emotional response to my earlier post by the way. I replied that you are chosing to ignore the huge number of people who did not vote for him because of his race. There is no emotional response here. I made an observation, which you still chose to ignore. Do you deny that there are people who didn't vote for him because of his race?



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Posted 23 January 2009 - 06:55 PM

Dr. Peter Venkman on Jan 23 2009, 01:07 PM, said:

No... American is a nationality... You have to understand that yes, we are all humans, when taken at face value. However, there are many different cultures as well as races within our own nation. To strip someone of their racial and cultural heritage is to belittle them. As far as your supposed ability to not see race is concerned Why are you upset that people are refering to President Obama as the first black president then? Why are you worried about him recieving votes just because he was black? I thought you didn't see race? You need to open your eyes son. Maybe go out and gain some world experience. Join the military, go to college, I dunno. Interact with people of different race and cultures rather than make a bunch of wild suppositions.

Cause it is views like that which are the problem in this world today. And we need to get off our rears and get in gear before it is too late. No it isn't. I would rather be considered a human before I was considered white. I am not taking away anything from. Keep you culture your identity but remember at the end of the day you are human.

As for votes nope know he did and those who did vote base on his color are idiots. Suppositions. its superstitions first off. Second off you are judging what you don't know. I like different architechure for the love of me I don't know why. Why does everything have to have a title with people like you. If you do that then your taking away their culture and belittling them. Really how? How is it I am doing that by saying enough with this crap. It is time to put an end to racism. What you loose is what you choose to loose. People came to this country from all over the world and kept their traditions and culture but united and eventually formed what you see here today. Only their decendents have screw up so royally that it isn't funny. What I prepose is no different then the days of olde. The days when things were good, reborn and remade a new to fit the world today. But if you want to continue the pointless suffering and bigitry that is going on now then be my guess.

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Posted 23 January 2009 - 07:22 PM

Kevin7557 on Jan 23 2009, 01:55 PM, said:

Cause it is views like that which are the problem in this world today. And we need to get off our rears and get in gear before it is too late. No it isn't. I would rather be considered a human before I was considered white. I am not taking away anything from. Keep you culture your identity but remember at the end of the day you are human.

As for votes nope know he did and those who did vote base on his color are idiots. Suppositions. its superstitions first off. Second off you are judging what you don't know. I like different architechure for the love of me I don't know why. Why does everything have to have a title with people like you. If you do that then your taking away their culture and belittling them. Really how? How is it I am doing that by saying enough with this crap. It is time to put an end to racism. What you loose is what you choose to loose. People came to this country from all over the world and kept their traditions and culture but united and eventually formed what you see here today. Only their decendents have screw up so royally that it isn't funny. What I prepose is no different then the days of olde. The days when things were good, reborn and remade a new to fit the world today. But if you want to continue the pointless suffering and bigitry that is going on now then be my guess.


No...it's supposition. Allow me to help you. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/supposition as in- You are making wild suppositions about what people of other races and cultures feel it means to be American. I do not understand how you can feel that the word superstition applies here.

Secondly, I think we want the same end here, but disagree with the means. As far as belittling a culture is concerened, to say, "naw we're not gonna celebrate the history of your race and the contributions you've made to the nation anymore" is offensive. Step out of your shoes for a while. Like i said go out into the world. Meet some new people, interact, make a friend or two. if you like different architecure, thats a great place to start. Now learn about the person, and culture behind the building. Do you see? These are not bad things to be swept under the rug. Our differences are beautiful, and are to be cherished. like you said, we should all be considederd human. However, diveristy is a part of humanity.

Peace, man. i'm done rappin' with ya on this subject here. We have another thread in a different oplace with the same subject. See ya there?



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Posted 23 January 2009 - 08:00 PM

Dr. Peter Venkman on Jan 23 2009, 02:22 PM, said:

No...it's supposition. Allow me to help you. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/supposition as in- You are making wild suppositions about what people of other races and cultures feel it means to be American. I do not understand how you can feel that the word superstition applies here.

Secondly, I think we want the same end here, but disagree with the means. As far as belittling a culture is concerened, to say, "naw we're not gonna celebrate the history of your race and the contributions you've made to the nation anymore" is offensive. Step out of your shoes for a while. Like i said go out into the world. Meet some new people, interact, make a friend or two. if you like different architecure, thats a great place to start. Now learn about the person, and culture behind the building. Do you see? These are not bad things to be swept under the rug. Our differences are beautiful, and are to be cherished. like you said, we should all be considederd human. However, diveristy is a part of humanity.

Peace, man. i'm done rappin' with ya on this subject here. We have another thread in a different oplace with the same subject. See ya there?

HEY! Do not put words in my mouth! I never said don't celebrate culture. Never. I said the things they teach in the schools during black history month is often times trivial. You want to make people equal then you teach their history with the rest of history where it should be learn not say owe it is okay we will just give you a special month instead of addressing the base problem. AND NEVER EVER TELL ME I CAN'T SEE THINGS FROM ANOTHERS PERSPEECTIVE. You don't ever know who I am or what I think or why I think it. I am the person who sees both sides. I am the person basically in the middle seeing what is there. I am not saying we become uniformed nah that would suck. I am saying we end discrimination between those differences. If we give up what makes us us is the end result really worth what we would sacrafice. My problem with you so far is you keep taking my words out of context thinking I am saying something I am not. Being an american doesn't mean being the same it means belonging to America. I spend a lot of time researching the paranormal. So don't lecture me on getting to know people when you don't even know me and yet are judging me. Wait isn't that what you are telling me not to do?

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Posted 23 January 2009 - 08:14 PM

Kevin7557 on Jan 23 2009, 03:00 PM, said:

HEY! Do not put words in my mouth! I never said don't celebrate culture. Never. I said the things they teach in the schools during black history month is often times trivial. You want to make people equal then you teach their history with the rest of history where it should be learn not say owe it is okay we will just give you a special month instead of addressing the base problem. AND NEVER EVER TELL ME I CAN'T SEE THINGS FROM ANOTHERS PERSPEECTIVE. You don't ever know who I am or what I think or why I think it. I am the person who sees both sides. I am the person basically in the middle seeing what is there. I am not saying we become uniformed nah that would suck. I am saying we end discrimination between those differences. If we give up what makes us us is the end result really worth what we would sacrafice. My problem with you so far is you keep taking my words out of context thinking I am saying something I am not. Being an american doesn't mean being the same it means belonging to America. I spend a lot of time researching the paranormal. So don't lecture me on getting to know people when you don't even know me and yet are judging me. Wait isn't that what you are telling me not to do?


no.gif "I never liked black history month. It was kinda pointless. It is like pointing out that they are different plus it took time just to learn some useless crap that most forget over time just so some people can point out that they aren't racist and how we are "striving" for equality." Your words not mine. From a different thread yes. your words, none the less. this would be an example of sweeping a person's culure beneath the rug.

P.S. You can't see things from the other perspective in this case.  whistling2.gif LOL hey, lets keep this discussion on the other thread o.k.?

Edited by Dr. Peter Venkman, 23 January 2009 - 08:37 PM.


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Posted 23 January 2009 - 08:51 PM

Dr. Peter Venkman on Jan 23 2009, 03:14 PM, said:

no.gif "I never liked black history month. It was kinda pointless. It is like pointing out that they are different plus it took time just to learn some useless crap that most forget over time just so some people can point out that they aren't racist and how we are "striving" for equality." Your words not mine. From a different thread yes. your words, none the less. this would be an example of sweeping a person's culure beneath the rug.

P.S. You can't see things from the other perspective in this case.  whistling2.gif

Yes I can. I see why blacks wanted it cause their own kids didn't know of their heritige. Polititions wanted it so they looked good and a few cause they cared. The people to show they weren't racist and that their kids need to learn of others achievements. Teachers so they could the kids more about what black people did. But hey why don't we have asian history month or Religious tolerance month where the kids have to learn about all the different religions and what their beliefs are. Where are those months times? What about middle eastern week or month where we learn about the history of the middle east. Man if only we could just put that all into one subject so we would have devote all this time to them. I know why don't we call it history and teach our kids it. Then in high school they can learn geography and social studies. We have classes for that. Or have you forgotten that. ANd yes it is useless. Same thing every year. Houndred uses yeah yeah I get it. How about we fix the inherent problem? No lets give blacks a special month. Now if it were black pride month or Black Heritiege month I could get behind that. Lets celebrate their history not create a month just cause the schools aren't doing their jobs. That is the point which you seem to be missing. I stand by my statement. Okay so maybe trivial was the wrong word. I meant it in the fashion of the only time this information would be used is in trivia games. I should have worded it better, okay in hindsite not the best of things to say in those word to which I must admit my error and apologize which I do. I appologize. But my point being that we should have just put it in the regular lesson plan instead of creating a month cause the education system wasn't working.

You're the one who has come in and started after I have and then twisted my words. Also just cause I see doesn't mean that they are my opinion and it is not my job to state everyones opinion.

Edited by Kevin7557, 23 January 2009 - 08:52 PM.

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Posted 23 January 2009 - 09:13 PM

Kevin7557 on Jan 23 2009, 09:51 PM, said:

No lets give blacks a special month. Now if it were black pride month or Black Heritiege month I could get behind that. Lets celebrate their history not create a month just cause the schools aren't doing their jobs.


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Posted 23 January 2009 - 11:20 PM

Godsnmbr1 on Jan 23 2009, 04:13 PM, said:

I know that you think you can see the argument from both sides but trust me, you really can't.

He is trying to point out that we should embrase people diversities and cultures for that is what makes us strong and a great nation. And while I agree with him I disagree about manner in which he wishs to go about it. His point is we should notice differences cause he is under the impression that I think we should ignore them or he is just trying to be an *******. In which case he trying to point out that if you take it that way which is basically a twisted version of what I said that it means this. but being a litteral person alot and choosing my words to mean what they mean with the few exceptions of things I probally shouldn't have said and apon looking back realise I worded it wrong or on further thought was said in the heat of the moment that came back to haunt he. But his point was lost as soon as he pulled the age crap about how i was too young to know what I was talking about and in another thread he admits what I say is noble but I admit it needs refining. But the flaw on the age thing is while most people follow  a regular pattern of intelegents growth do to a condition I was born with I had a high reading comprehention at an early level. Thus I have aged a bit faster in thoughts and exerience than most but while that being said he is still trying to point out that do to my age I lack serious life experiences and thus am a bit naive. The rest of it is about simantics about on several different arguments which are nothing more than differences in opinoin and where he really failed was in the way he approached the conversation and had he approached it in a different way then we could have had a civilized educated dicussion amoung adults rather than what this has decayed into.

So now you were saying something about me not seeing his side? Now would you also like me to breakdown the errors I have made or are your ready to put your foot in your mouth cause you were dead wrong.

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 12:27 AM

Kevin 7557... I think you are doing a good job of explaining yourself - try to ignore some of the self-important replies that you are getting and just concentrate on the points you are making.

My point of view?..... Obama was elected because he was the stongest candidate in the race, its not his colour its his passion for politics and using it to try to make a difference. He has probably got the hardest job as a president this century. Bush totally discredited the USA for 8 years, and that will take at least 2 terms to correct.

I dont expect miracles, a tough road lies ahead for Obama and I am sure his citics are lining up to take pot-shots at him even as I write this reply.

Give him a chance, for no good reason that I can  put a finger on, I think he has the potential to heal many wounds that Bush opened....IMO


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Posted 26 January 2009 - 04:53 PM

Godsnmbr1 on Jan 22 2009, 01:09 PM, said:

I doubt it.  People wanted to feel good about themselves, which is why we all gave Obama the benefit of the doubt at first.  Like some sort of nationwide self-delusion.  I don't think a white candidate would have made it through the scrutiny of our cynicism.
It wasn't the feel-good liberals that got Obama elected. It was the 90%+ of blacks that voted for him in the primaries.

ANY democrate would have beaten McCain. Obama was only there because he won the primary and the only reason he won the primary was the 90%+ black vote.

So the question becomes - WHY did 90%+ of all blacks vote for Obama? Maybe it was........... because he was black?  LOL! Of course not - that would be racist!

It must be that they all carefully analyzed the policies and positions of all candidates and, through some bizarre freak statistical occurrence, all voted for Obama.   Meh. Racist b*******.



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Posted 27 January 2009 - 05:52 AM

Repoman on Jan 26 2009, 10:53 AM, said:

It wasn't the feel-good liberals that got Obama elected. It was the 90%+ of blacks that voted for him in the primaries.
ANY democrate would have beaten McCain. Obama was only there because he won the primary and the only reason he won the primary was the 90%+ black vote.


You see that's where your racism glows and you are just wrong - along with your other outlandish statements. He got elected by a majority of Americans. Including majorities in all races (except of course racists). Whites included == like me. OK?  He was not just elected by blacks or the black vote. That's just silly and easily disprovable. It certainly helped but it wa not the "only reason" by ANY means.

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Posted 27 January 2009 - 12:36 PM

Ninjadude, Repoman is not racist. He's just saying that ######0 of black voters voted for Obama, and that there's a big chance most of them did so because he was black.

These days, anything said about blacks that's "not nice" is considered racism. Racism is discrimination, not criticism.


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Posted 27 January 2009 - 01:18 PM

ninjadude on Jan 27 2009, 12:52 AM, said:

You see that's where your racism glows and you are just wrong - along with your other outlandish statements. He got elected by a majority of Americans. Including majorities in all races (except of course racists). Whites included == like me. OK?  He was not just elected by blacks or the black vote. That's just silly and easily disprovable.
Why can't you brainiacs get it - I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PRIMARIES - P R I M A R I E S.

If the black vote would have split out even 55-45 in favor of Obama, CLINTON WOULD HAVE WON THE PRIMARY. As I said - ANY democrat would have beaten McCain.

And close your yap about my being racist (please sir?). Just because I'm not a drooling PC Obama sack-sniffer doesn't make me racist.

Edited by Repoman, 27 January 2009 - 01:19 PM.





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