[Ecchi]

Rosewin on Jan 27 2009, 07:34 AM, said:

So there has to be others that consider this band the best band ever ever. So the usual, when did you first hear them, which songs are your favorites, where were you when Kurt died?

I first became a fan when they went national and I bought the Nevermind cassette, before CDs and mp3s were mainstream, the best album ever made IMHO. All their songs are quite good. I was prolly off in lala land when Kurt died. I never cried about it or made a big deal. I was not really a fan to be honest, they had good songs, so did so many other bands, but this year I revisited them, as I do every few years, and I decided they are the best band ever.

Uh no, they were overrated just like The Beatles.

[MissMelsWell]

Splodgenessabounds on Jan 27 2009, 07:47 PM, said:

Ah, 1992. I was only 6 , the only memory I have of being that age were my birthday party and Leeds United winning the title (dirty Leeds ). I've only ever heard one Pearl Jam song, Alive, and I love it. In fact I don't want to hear another PJ song because it might sour my opinion of them. As long as I only know Alive, they get the tumbs up.

PJ is worth listening to... their entire album Ten was pretty tight. It's good. PJ still isn't my favorite by a long shot... I liked their "incarnation" prior to Vedder. Mother Love Bone.

But beautiful little Andy of MLB died of a heroin overdose; the name was changed to PJ and Vedder stepped in to take Andrew's place.

Mother Love Bone, Holy Roller (they actually kind of had a GNR sound before GNR. LOL)
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=fDY2DVju1c4

And while ALL this was going on, Nivana was sending demos to record companies. Sure, other musicians on the scene knew (of) Cobain and Ghrol. As you can see, from my point of view... Nirvana isn't all that well loved in Seattle. To us, "Grunge" (which was a huge "Huh?" to us--we certainly didn't make up the term LOL) meant a lot more than the music... to us, it was a creative culture of talent, work, and collaborative friendships , something that Nirvana really never participated in.They were the sell outs more or less.

My new favorite "new grunge" is Mark Lenegans "The Gutter Twins" ... I saw these guys last summer and they were great. Lenegan was the lead singer of the Screaming Trees and later Queens of the Stone Age for one album.

The Gutter Twins, Idle Hands (guys, this is such a DUDE vid, you should ALL love it. LOL)
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=UeVzCtJCSvo

(sorry Roswin, I hope I'm not hijacking your thread... You can tell me to close my pie hole if you want LOL)

This post has been edited by MissMelsWell: 28 January 2009 - 04:39 AM

[Rosewin]

No, this was expected, and I know your feelings well on Nirvana and it is rather insightful since you were around the scene at that time. Good stuff MMW!!!

I still cannot help but think that some people have not really given them a chance, threw up at Smells Like Teen Spirit, and are just dismissing them because since 'everyone else like them' they must suck since most things everyone likes does. The media is much too blame for hyping them beyond what is expected. You also have those who were born too early or late to even give them a proper chance but that is expected and normal.

Iono as far as 'everyone liking them' this thread would make it seem like everyone hates them and only a few of us like them. Either way I will still hold hope that a few more fans will post giving me something to discuss and perhaps even learn a tidbit or two.

I like Nirvana because I have listened to them, can relate to the songs, can feel the songs, I love the music and the vocals, and I can tell that Kobain put his heart into it, which is all that matters to me.

I also doubt Kobain was in it for the money or the fame. It was all unexpected and you could tell he was not comfortable with it.

I sold my cassettes and tapes so thank God for MP3s

This post has been edited by Rosewin: 28 January 2009 - 01:19 PM

[Splodgenessabounds]

Rosewin on Jan 28 2009, 01:17 PM, said:

I still cannot help but think that some people have not really given them a chance, threw up at Smells Like Teen Spirit, and are just dismissing them because since 'everyone else like them' they must suck since most things everyone likes does. The media is much too blame for hyping them beyond what is expected. You also have those who were born too early or late to even give them a proper chance but that is expected and normal.

The worst thing that can happen to any band is media hype.

I'm not one those people, Nevermind is the only Nirvana album I really ever got into and it's very good. In fact to be honest apart from the songs on Nevermind, Heart Shaped Box is the only other song by them I know. It's just that grunge isn't my thing, so my opinion of them isn't going to be great. Also, my music taste started to form in '94 when Oasis released Definately Maybe so I'll always be into rock 'n roll (The Beatles, The Doors, Pink Floyd etc.) more than grunge. If I were a few years older when Nevermind was released my taste might've been different.

The closest I've ever come to grunge type music was R.E.M. (which is more alternative than grunge), I'm not talking about albums like Out of Time and Automatic for the People. More their '80 to '85 albums like Murmur and Fables of the Reconstruction.

Whenever I think of grunge I see long unkempt hair, jeans cut off just below the knee and checkered shirts. That alone just turns me off grunge, but that's more a fashion issue .

[Neognosis]

eh, I just never really liked nirvana. I gave all their stuff a listen, it just didn't appeal to me. You can't argue, though, that dave grohl and kurt cobain did not have talent. I just don't like kurt cobain's stuff. although, I DID like them when they broke. Maybe my distaste has grown because they are still on the radio CONSTANTLY.

I was a freshman in college when the whole grunge thing hit. I really, really liked those years and have great memories of the music, the fasion (or lack of it. turns out that was the first and only time I actually happened to wear stuff that was in fashion) and the girls. Oh, lord, the girls...

[MissMelsWell]

Thanks Roswin, that was sweet.

I mean, I guess I get why so many people really like Nirvana... for most of the country they were a very new sound, they were the first of the genre to really hit the airwaves. For me, it was a style of music that I'd been listening to for years. I'd been seeing Soundgarden, or varying incarnations of them, since 1985 more or less. I had (and have) friends in bands that became wildly popular during that era. I'm not sure any of them set out to become famous. They were just playing Pioneer Square bars, doin' their thing, having fun. I think PJ's insistance to stay playing small venues and flippin' the bird at the record companies is part of that continued culture. Nirvana's goal (or at least Ghrols) was to become famous. They were busy at home sending tapes around to record companies.

Alice in Chains was another one I never "got" ... I've tried over and over to like them. But nothing can get them out of my head the few times I saw them in the mid 80's, when they were still a hair metal band. I saw them get boo'd off a stage at least twice. I'll never get their ringing screeching sound out of my head. LOL. I saw them in 1987 at Benaroya Hall at the UofW days before my daughter was born... I thought their horrific performance was going to send me into labor. LOL.

I think of all the grunge bands to come out of this area, I really always loved Screaming Trees, Soundgarden, MudHoney, and Mother Love Bone. I think of all them, Screaming Trees were the most underated, and probably one of the most talented. I also loved a band called The Fastbacks... they never got a recording contract... but they did produce Duff McKagan from GnR. I didn't figure it out until a few years ago that THAT Duff was the same Duff from GnR. LOL.

And, I saw GnR at a pub in N. Seattle, in well, must have been 1986? Hard to remember... could have been earlier (I so was NOT old enough to be in that bar lol but I had mad fake ID skills hahaha) and for years it took me a while to figure out why GnR would have been playing in a dive in N. Seattle. But now I know, it was McKagan's connections to Seattle that must have brought them here--they weren't good at that show, but it was weird knowing I saw 'em before they were anything at all.

This post has been edited by MissMelsWell: 28 January 2009 - 05:04 PM

[Lord*Kur]

i think alice n chains were the best band of the whole bunch.

but if we include post punk like the soft boys then i guess i like the softboys the best.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=tl9pAZ44CKw

[jaylemurph]

Lord*Kur on Jan 28 2009, 12:45 PM, said:

i think alice n chains were the best band of the whole bunch.

but if we include post punk like the soft boys then i guess i like the softboys the best.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=tl9pAZ44CKw

I wouldn't classify Nirvana (or indeed anything post-1983 or so) as "post punk". I wouldn't even call the Soft Boys /post/ punk. They were formed in '76 and had their heyday before '82 or so. Joy Division is post-punk. The Smiths are post-punk. Shonen Knife (if it's still in the list below) is post-punk.

Now, of you mean that in the lazy way it's been thrown around recently, meaning mindlessly boring, poseur emo middle class white kids who don't understand the first thing about punk aesthetics and who don't think without permission from their label, that's a different rant altogether.

--Jaylemurph

This post has been edited by jaylemurph: 28 January 2009 - 09:20 PM

[Lord*Kur]

i'm talking about early post punk. robyn hitchcock is a musical genius and hardly a 3 chord emo poser. what on earth are you even talking about?

nevermind, you changed your entire post

This post has been edited by Lord*Kur: 28 January 2009 - 09:23 PM

[jaylemurph]

Lord*Kur on Jan 28 2009, 04:20 PM, said:

i'm talking about early post punk. robyn hitchcock is a musical genius and hardly a 3 chord emo poser. what on earth are you even talking about?

Check my edit. I made what I was talking about more clear. I certainly wouldn't suggest Hitchcock was that!

--Jaylemurph

[Funky Poacher]

Ecchi on Jan 28 2009, 04:52 AM, said:

Uh no, they were overrated just like The Beatles.

What band do you listen to? Music wouldn't even be the same without the Beatles. They did a lot more for music then you can comprehend, apparently.

[MissMelsWell]

Agent Krycek on Jan 28 2009, 01:48 PM, said:

What band do you listen to? Music wouldn't even be the same without the Beatles. They did a lot more for music then you can comprehend, apparently.

Although I"m not a giant Beatles fan, I'd have to say you're correct. Honestly, I think it was combination of the Stones, Beatles, and perhaps The Who that made Rock what it is today. Frankly? I'm not ga-ga over any of those groups, but I easily and readily accept their contributions.

Nirvana? Have a bit of a harder time giving them that kind of credit.

[MissMelsWell]

There are a few bands recently that I'd call maybe "Neo-Punk"? Maybe... most kids seem to call them Indy though.

Being a former punk fan, I'd say there are some kids out there making a pretty good run at the genre and doing a good job of putting their spin on it. Groups like the Fratellis, Drop Kick Murphy's, maybe even the Killers and Rancid (neither of whom I like) are kind of leaning that way--with their Neo spin on it. And it's good. Better than a lot of the crap that's come out in the last 15 years. The Fratellis are especially fantastic, saw them this summer in Seattle. They were great live, and I'm a TOUGH live critic. These guys have that working class, edgy fun, political message thing going in some of their songs. Others of their songs are just rock and roll and with thrashy kind of big drums and grindy guitars... their lyrics aren't as charged as say Jello's are, but they're not bad!

Although, even at 42, I'm too young to have been really been into the punk scene, I did see the Ramone and Dead Kennedy's live in the mid-80's, but in reality they were past their "prime" so to speak.

This post has been edited by MissMelsWell: 29 January 2009 - 12:41 AM

[Funky Poacher]

MissMelsWell on Jan 29 2009, 01:29 AM, said:

Although I"m not a giant Beatles fan, I'd have to say you're correct. Honestly, I think it was combination of the Stones, Beatles, and perhaps The Who that made Rock what it is today. Frankly? I'm not ga-ga over any of those groups, but I easily and readily accept their contributions.

Nirvana? Have a bit of a harder time giving them that kind of credit.

Could not have summed up my thoughts on the topic any better myself Although I'm not sure the Who were so big, and this is coming from an Entwistle/Who freak

And I particularily agree with your Nirvana comment.

[MissMelsWell]

Agent Krycek on Jan 28 2009, 04:57 PM, said:

Could not have summed up my thoughts on the topic any better myself Although I'm not sure the Who were so big, and this is coming from an Entwistle/Who freak

And I particularily agree with your Nirvana comment.

I don't know... I'm actually not much of a Who fan, but I can hear their influence in some later bands like the Kinks (although, very early Kinks sound a lot like the Beatles) and even bands like Pink Floyd. The Who just brought that whole kind of distorted acidy epic sound to rock music that just didn't really exist before. I think even Queen was probably quite influenced by The Who.