[psyche101]

mcrom901, on 04 November 2009 - 02:47 PM, said:

and how would you account for the 'rock' bouncing in and out of the craters en route?

For goodness sakes they are not craters, they are holes to the underground city. That and it is only 1 sixth of the gravity. Didn't you know they can roll up hill there just like here - list of sites where rocks appear to roll uphill. Quite a few spots in the states where that happens, we even have such a place down under in Victoria. Yes, you shave been fooled with simple smoke and mirrors.

You are serious aren't you?

What is your explanation for the light spots at the top of the picture in the yellow boxes with the mismatched shadows? Do you honestly feel this is an untouched photo? MIDs question are quite pertinent as well. If you can tell us where this is I will point my 10" at the location and see if I can confirm anything for you.

Honestly, if you have such an interest in the Moon, why is it you are not an amateur astronomer? Are you not keen to look for yourself at these marvelous anomalies?

[mcrom901]

psyche101, on 05 November 2009 - 02:45 AM, said:

For goodness sakes they are not craters, they are holes to the underground city.

anything is possible........


This 65-metre-wide hole in the lunar surface extends at least 80 metres down and could be an opening into a larger lunar cave (Image: ISAS/JAXA/Junichi Haruyama et al.)

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A deep hole on the moon that could open into a vast underground tunnel has been found for the first time. The discovery strengthens evidence for subsurface, lava-carved channels that could shield future human colonists from space radiation and other hazards.

The moon seems to possess long, winding tunnels called lava tubes that are similar to structures seen on Earth. They are created when the top of a stream of molten rock solidifies and the lava inside drains away, leaving a hollow tube of rock.

Their existence on the moon is hinted at based on observations of sinuous rilles – long, winding depressions carved into the lunar surface by the flow of lava. Some sections of the rilles have collapsed, suggesting that hollow lava tubes hide beneath at least some of the rilles.

But until now, no one has found an opening into what appears to be an intact tube. "There's sort of a chicken-and-egg problem," says Carolyn van der Bogert of the University of Münster in Germany. "If it's intact, you can't see it."

Finding a hole in a rille could suggest that an intact tube lies beneath. So a group led by Junichi Haruyama of the Japanese Aerospace Exploration Agency searched for these "skylights" in images taken by Japan's Kaguya spacecraft, which orbited the moon for almost two years before ending its mission in June.

Deep cave

The team found the first candidate skylight in a volcanic area on the moon's near side called Marius Hills. "This is the first time that anybody's actually identified a skylight in a possible lava tube" on the moon, van der Bogert, who helped analyse the feature, told New Scientist.

The hole measures 65 metres across, and based on images taken at a variety of sun angles, the the hole is thought to extend down at least 80 metres. It sits in the middle of a rille, suggesting the hole leads into a lava tube as wide as 370 metres across.

It is not clear exactly how the hole formed. A meteorite impact, moonquakes, or pressure created by gravitational tugs from the Earth could be to blame. Alternatively, part of the lava tube's ceiling could have been pulled off as lava in the tube drained away billions of years ago.

Radiation shield

Finding such an opening could be a boon for possible human exploration of the moon (see What NASA's return to the moon may look like).

Since the tubes may be hundreds of metres wide, they could provide plenty of space for an underground lunar outpost. The tubes' ceilings could protect astronauts from space radiation, meteoroid impacts and wild temperature fluctuations (see Can high-tech cavemen live on the moon?).

"I think it's really exciting," says Penny Boston of the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology in Socorro. "Basalt is an extremely good material for radiation protection. It's free real estate ready to be exploited and modified for human use."
Blocked passage?

But even if astronauts were to rappel into the hole, they might not be able to travel far into the tube it appears to lead into. "I would bet a lot of money that there's a tube there, but I would not bet nearly so much that we could gain access to the tube," says Ray Hawke of the University of Hawaii at Manoa, who has also hunted for lunar lava tubes.

Rubble or solidified lava might block up the tube. "It could be closed up and inaccessible," Hawke told New Scientist.

NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO), which should be able to snap images of the area that are at least 10 times as sharp, could help reveal more about the hole. And more lava tube openings may be found.

The Kaguya team is still combing over images of other areas in search of additional skylights. And Hawke says a proposal is in the works to use LRO's main camera to snap oblique shots of the lunar surface. This could help reveal cave entrances that are not visible in a bird's-eye view.

Journal reference: Geophysical Research Letters (in press)

http://www.newscient...n-the-moon.html

[mcrom901]

psyche101, on 05 November 2009 - 02:45 AM, said:

What is your explanation for the light spots at the top of the picture in the yellow boxes with the mismatched shadows? Do you honestly feel this is an untouched photo? MIDs question are quite pertinent as well. If you can tell us where this is I will point my 10" at the location and see if I can confirm anything for you.

i guess you missed the link in my initial post.......

mcrom901, on 02 November 2009 - 06:35 AM, said:

http://www.theliving..._Images_01.html

do check it out... if interested.....

[psyche101]

mcrom901, on 05 November 2009 - 05:54 PM, said:

i guess you missed the link in my initial post.......



do check it out... if interested.....

I did miss it initially (perhaps I closed the link once the page opened and I saw it, I do not remember now), this time I checked it out. I see the source of information too. A Forum.

by ArMaP
Member of AboveTopSecret.com
(Edited and Additions by Pegasus)

There really ought to be some sort of limit to the depths one can sink to.


Notice nothing else casts a shadow there? A few rocks are also on the moon. Anything casting that large a shadow I can see with my home equipment, funnily enough the source does not say what part of the moon. It should be easy enough to verify. One has to wonder why ArMaP from the ATS forum let us in on this amazing anomaly, but is keeping the location covert. Does he not want the truth to get out?

Until I can get some co-ordinates I will take this as a lousy example of photoshop. The pixelation on the lean on the shadow indicates such.



Do you sell books on this stuff or something? Why would you not be out with a 12" Dobsonian and a charged coupled device bringing the truth to the globe?

Thank for the link to the Lunar Lava tube, I had seen that one, main page here about a week ago wasn't it? It is a lava tube, not an entrance to an underground city.

This post has been edited by psyche101: 06 November 2009 - 02:22 AM

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psyche101, on 06 November 2009 - 02:21 AM, said:

I did miss it initially (perhaps I closed the link once the page opened and I saw it, I do not remember now), this time I checked it out. I see the source of information too. A Forum.

by ArMaP
Member of AboveTopSecret.com
(Edited and Additions by Pegasus)

There really ought to be some sort of limit to the depths one can sink to.

well i suppose you missed again....

anyways here you go...

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Interesting Finds on LRO Images
Tracks on M101291859R

Originally posted by ArMaP posted on 4-8-2009 at ATS Post ID 6850480

There were two updates and three photo in two days.
From today's photo M101291859R, something that looks like rolling rocks.
Zoomed to 200% so its resolution is something like 42 centimetres per pixel.

can you see it now?

http://wms.lroc.asu....view/M101291859

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Notice nothing else casts a shadow there? A few rocks are also on the moon. Anything casting that large a shadow I can see with my home equipment, funnily enough the source does not say what part of the moon. It should be easy enough to verify. One has to wonder why ArMaP from the ATS forum let us in on this amazing anomaly, but is keeping the location covert. Does he not want the truth to get out?

check above without biases....

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Until I can get some co-ordinates I will take this as a lousy example of photoshop. The pixelation on the lean on the shadow indicates such.

well i suppose you should refer to SCEPCOP.....

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There are organized group of scoffers masquerading under the term "skeptics" who deny, ridicule and suppress anything progressive that challenges the static views of the establishment. They are debunkers who tend to distort, dismiss and obfuscate any phenomenon that challenges a conventional materialistic view of reality. In truth, they are not true skeptics engaging in open inquiry, but selective debunkers with an agenda to defend the establishment. That's why we call them "pseudo-skeptics". A "true skeptic" engages in open inquiry and doubt toward toward all views and belief systems, including their own and those of the establishment. But these "pseudo-skeptics" never question the views of the establishment, materialistic science or anything presented as "official".

Common Fallacies of Pseudo-Skeptics:

Double Standards, Contradictions and Lies
Denial of Evidence
Dismissing testimonies and experiences as invalid
Cherry picking of evidence
Selective Skepticism
Straw man arguments
Santa Claus gambit
Occam's Razor
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/

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Do you sell books on this stuff or something? Why would you not be out with a 12" Dobsonian and a charged coupled device bringing the truth to the globe?

nops.... i dont sell anything.... this is just one of my hobbies....

[bee]

Jusy for fun....

Pyramids on the earth...on the Moon....on Mars..

And it doesn't stop there.

Ginormous pyramids near a neighbouring spiral galaxy !!!

http://www.nasa.gov/...llery/iotd.html

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Andromeda in Ultraviolet
In a break from its usual task of searching for distant cosmic explosions, NASA's Swift satellite acquired the highest-resolution view of a neighboring spiral galaxy ever attained in the ultraviolet. The galaxy, known as M31 in the constellation Andromeda, is the largest and closest spiral galaxy to our own.

[InsideOut]

I was just looking at M31 myself last night. Much as with the Moon we can indeed easily see there is nothing there but the beauty of the thing itself.