[Cadetak]

BlindMessiah on Feb 18 2009, 05:06 PM, said:

I hope so. I just get so fed up with Hollywood rewriting stories. With the crap they're calling the Dragonball movie coming out, I'm a little bitter with movie recreations at the moment.

For every Dark Knight you get a dozen Dragonballs and Street Fighters...and Spiderman 3...X-Men 3...G.I. Joe...Speed Racer...sigh

[__Kratos__]

Well I took the time to reread it and I'm once again amazed and now fired up. I should have waited maybe next week or something though to read it cause now the waiting may kill me.

BlindMessiah on Feb 14 2009, 01:43 PM, said:

Based on the spoilers leaked, they completely altered two huge parts of the ending from the comic.

Seeing the trailers to, you can sort of piece it together to what it might be. They better not have screwed with it though. :jmm:

Cadetak on Feb 17 2009, 07:05 AM, said:

The ending should still have the same effect I think. The giant alien squid was a lil too out there even for comics it wouldn't fly in the movie especially with the gritty realistic dark tone. By ditching the squid it also saves a lot of screen time because of the side story about the artists and scientists and stuff, the director already had to fight for screentime.

But that was the entire point to make it seem too unreal to be true.

[Cadetak]

__Kratos__ on Feb 24 2009, 01:46 AM, said:

But that was the entire point to make it seem too unreal to be true.

Yes but overall its still the same I think, the world would still feel threatened by an otherworldly highly powerful threat. The alien squid works because it teleports and attacks with psychic powers and is a strange alien that nobody ever encountered before, which makes the whole world that much more scared. Dr. Manhattan although not an alien still mine as well be, like the squid his power is unconventional. So whether it be Manhattan or Squidy it still installs the same kind of fear of how to prepare for or defend against such an enemy that can do such extraordinary things. For example if right now in real life, if we got attacked by either aliens or zombies or demons we would all be suprised and freaking out.

The two big reasons for the change are for one, time. To keep the squid you would need atleast another twenty minutes of screen time just to set it up and explain it. The director said that he couldn't make the movie any longer so that twenty minutes would take away from character development or other scenes. Second, is what works for comics doesn't necessarily work for film, I don't believe the general audience would buy a a giant space squid especially with the tone of this movie. I could actually imagine a few lols in the theater if the squid was in. Also consider that we are also looking at a very complicated squeezed together plot

Of course its going to loose that wow factor...that "holy crap thats a giant squid' feel we got during are first read. But realistically I don't think we could have ever expected for the squid to be in. Even with this change we are still getting the most accurate comic to movie treatment ever...we could be getting the FOX version of the phoenix saga in X-Men 3 or dare I say the League of Extraordinary Gentleman and even with the change the point still remains, Ozzy fakes an attack, questionable morals, the world scares itself out of the cold war, etc.

[Cadetak]

I do have small minor issues from what I've seen from the trailers and clips other then the aboves in spoilers. These aren't spoilers because there in the trailers:

1. Rorschach's changing mask-Probly won't be explained how this happens in the movie. A super cool effect but doesn't make much sense. In the book the ink blots would change in between panels(so in movie form it would change in between scenes and not during a scene) and you didn't end up noticing unless you were paying attention. It was an easter egg of sorts kinda and not a literal function of the mask.

2. Changing the team name from Crimebusters to Watchmen-The title Watchmen comes from the quote "Who watches the Watchmen?"(which i think is from some old poem) which basically means "if the politicians/cops are protecting/watching us then who is watching/protecting them...or as the book extends to it 'if the superheroes are watching/policing the politicians, etc. then who is watching/policing/protecting the superheroes. Changing the team name kind of takes away that meaning to a degree because the quote will now come like "Who is watching the Avengers/Justice League?". I know why they did it, since the general audience already assumes Watchmen is a name of a supergroup and Crimebusters is a poo name.

3. Weird pseudo superpowers-Rorschach, Niteowl, Comedian, and Silk are for more or less regular people without any super powers...further more they are retired aged superheroes. But the clips and trailers have them jumping extraordinary high, punching with bone cracking force, and moving with the speed of a teenaged track star. Of course some of it just that 300 style and it did happen to a degree in the book but still seems kind of weird, and I know it will go unexplained.

4. Casting-Is it just me or is the cast a lil bit too young? The book gave me the impression that these people were sopose to be past their prime. Niteowl is most noteable here to me. Ozzy also looks too small for a character who is sopose to be a peak human perfection.


Those are just minor tidbits that I noticed but don't really matter.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

Cadetak on Feb 24 2009, 03:40 AM, said:

I do have small minor issues from what I've seen from the trailers and clips other then the aboves in spoilers. These aren't spoilers because there in the trailers:

1. Rorschach's changing mask-Probly won't be explained how this happens in the movie. A super cool effect but doesn't make much sense. In the book the ink blots would change in between panels(so in movie form it would change in between scenes and not during a scene) and you didn't end up noticing unless you were paying attention. It was an easter egg of sorts kinda and not a literal function of the mask.

2. Changing the team name from Crimebusters to Watchmen-The title Watchmen comes from the quote "Who watches the Watchmen?"(which i think is from some old poem) which basically means "if the politicians/cops are protecting/watching us then who is watching/protecting them...or as the book extends to it 'if the superheroes are watching/policing the politicians, etc. then who is watching/policing/protecting the superheroes. Changing the team name kind of takes away that meaning to a degree because the quote will now come like "Who is watching the Avengers/Justice League?". I know why they did it, since the general audience already assumes Watchmen is a name of a supergroup and Crimebusters is a poo name.

3. Weird pseudo superpowers-Rorschach, Niteowl, Comedian, and Silk are for more or less regular people without any super powers...further more they are retired aged superheroes. But the clips and trailers have them jumping extraordinary high, punching with bone cracking force, and moving with the speed of a teenaged track star. Of course some of it just that 300 style and it did happen to a degree in the book but still seems kind of weird, and I know it will go unexplained.

4. Casting-Is it just me or is the cast a lil bit too young? The book gave me the impression that these people were sopose to be past their prime. Niteowl is most noteable here to me. Ozzy also looks too small for a character who is sopose to be a peak human perfection.


Those are just minor tidbits that I noticed but don't really matter.

The mask was explained in the comics. It was a fabric developed by dr manhattan.

[Cadetak]

Dr. Peter Venkman on Feb 24 2009, 09:46 AM, said:

The mask was explained in the comics. It was a fabric developed by dr manhattan.

You sure? I thought he made it from the fabric of a woman's dress.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

Cadetak on Feb 24 2009, 04:16 PM, said:

You sure? I thought he made it from the fabric of a woman's dress.

Yes, that was the original use for the fabric, which was developed by Dr. Manhattan.

[village_idiot]

StrmySummer on Feb 13 2009, 03:41 AM, said:

ok, i just saw the trailer for this.....looks awesome!

It looks awesome but I disagree with the 'most celebrated graphic novel of all time' quote in some of the trailers...

[BlindMessiah]

I heard a rumor that Ozzy dies at the end of the movie. Can anyone confirm or deny this rumor?

[__Kratos__]

Cadetak on Feb 24 2009, 02:21 AM, said:

Yes but overall its still the same I think, the world would still feel threatened by an otherworldly highly powerful threat. The alien squid works because it teleports and attacks with psychic powers and is a strange alien that nobody ever encountered before, which makes the whole world that much more scared. Dr. Manhattan although not an alien still mine as well be, like the squid his power is unconventional. So whether it be Manhattan or Squidy it still installs the same kind of fear of how to prepare for or defend against such an enemy that can do such extraordinary things. For example if right now in real life, if we got attacked by either aliens or zombies or demons we would all be suprised and freaking out.

The two big reasons for the change are for one, time. To keep the squid you would need atleast another twenty minutes of screen time just to set it up and explain it. The director said that he couldn't make the movie any longer so that twenty minutes would take away from character development or other scenes. Second, is what works for comics doesn't necessarily work for film, I don't believe the general audience would buy a a giant space squid especially with the tone of this movie. I could actually imagine a few lols in the theater if the squid was in. Also consider that we are also looking at a very complicated squeezed together plot

Of course its going to loose that wow factor...that "holy crap thats a giant squid' feel we got during are first read. But realistically I don't think we could have ever expected for the squid to be in. Even with this change we are still getting the most accurate comic to movie treatment ever...we could be getting the FOX version of the phoenix saga in X-Men 3 or dare I say the League of Extraordinary Gentleman and even with the change the point still remains, Ozzy fakes an attack, questionable morals, the world scares itself out of the cold war, etc.

They were threatened though by nuclear holocaust and they didn't care enough to change. They were coming up to the brink of all out war and what stopped them all in their tracks was that squid guy. The idea was to give the world something to come together on. A man changed is amazing but aliens would tell us we're not alone and our problems would seem much smaller when compared to the whole.

Rorschach is going to ruin it all through his journal anyways that will spread the seed of doubt, so they should stick to the same ending.

Not really, in the book there was only a quick explaining of what it was and how it was created. The mentioning of the missing people was pretty small as well. Most of it was focused on the heroes themselves. If they focus on that and go as it was written, it should be fine. The movie is almost three hours long as well so that's given me some hope that it won't be horrible.

It really would and even then I would still be burned. They have to include it either that it's taking out the biggest part of the movie because any other attack wouldn't have the mental terrorism that it had along with the physical terrorism to it that shook up the people enough to tell them all to play nice.

[__Kratos__]

Just going to post this link because it is spoiler heavy, so just be warned before you click...

'Watchmen' Director Reveals Key Differences Between Graphic Novel, Film

[raphnix]

I already read the plot and story in the net and I'm pretty excited too about the movie.

[Cadetak]

__Kratos__ on Feb 24 2009, 08:56 PM, said:

They were threatened though by nuclear holocaust and they didn't care enough to change. They were coming up to the brink of all out war and what stopped them all in their tracks was that squid guy. The idea was to give the world something to come together on. A man changed is amazing but aliens would tell us we're not alone and our problems would seem much smaller when compared to the whole.

Rorschach is going to ruin it all through his journal anyways that will spread the seed of doubt, so they should stick to the same ending.

Not really, in the book there was only a quick explaining of what it was and how it was created. The mentioning of the missing people was pretty small as well. Most of it was focused on the heroes themselves. If they focus on that and go as it was written, it should be fine. The movie is almost three hours long as well so that's given me some hope that it won't be horrible.

It really would and even then I would still be burned. They have to include it either that it's taking out the biggest part of the movie because any other attack wouldn't have the mental terrorism that it had along with the physical terrorism to it that shook up the people enough to tell them all to play nice.

But you have to realize that Dr. Manhattan is a bigger threat then the alien squid. The squid can seemingly teleport, mind attack, and assumingly crush things. Manhattan can teleport, become a giant, see through time and space, rearrange matter,...he's basically God. Manhattan on the warpath would still bring the world together. I'd probably rather had the squid too but I don't think the change alters things too drastically and can see why it had to be this way.

I'm not at all saying it couldn't work but even the quick explanation of the book would add up screen time to already long film, complicated film, and the general audience might find it too unbelievabe(even though it is the point). Should the squid be in? Yes. But I don't think its a huge deal that it isn't because at the end of the day the squid was just a plot device...it could have bin a robot, zombie, or a giant ghost and it would overall still serve the same basic function.

Rorschach doesn't necessarily ruin it all. His journal may not have ever made it to print, even then it was written by a crazed lunatic, so even if the word got out theres the question of anybody believing it...it could very well end up in the conspiracy section of Watchmen's UM. Also his journal may not even be that legible, when first arrested the cops find his first journal and note that its cryptic and illegible and when Rorschach sends in his second journal he says "tried my best to make this legible" so who knows if he actually succeeded. Also he sends it in before he goes to the artic, so everything learned there wouldn't be in the journal. So its up in the air, really.

[Cadetak]

BlindMessiah on Feb 24 2009, 07:37 PM, said:

I heard a rumor that Ozzy dies at the end of the movie. Can anyone confirm or deny this rumor?

I can deny it. Other then what I said in the other spoilers the ending pretty much remains the same I think. I think that rumor started because it was apart of one of the older scripts which I think was from before this director ever got on the film(theres bin a bunch of scripts since the book came out)

[__Kratos__]

Cadetak on Feb 25 2009, 06:44 PM, said:

But you have to realize that Dr. Manhattan is a bigger threat then the alien squid. The squid can seemingly teleport, mind attack, and assumingly crush things. Manhattan can teleport, become a giant, see through time and space, rearrange matter,...he's basically God. Manhattan on the warpath would still bring the world together. I'd probably rather had the squid too but I don't think the change alters things too drastically and can see why it had to be this way.

I'm not at all saying it couldn't work but even the quick explanation of the book would add up screen time to already long film, complicated film, and the general audience might find it too unbelievabe(even though it is the point). Should the squid be in? Yes. But I don't think its a huge deal that it isn't because at the end of the day the squid was just a plot device...it could have bin a robot, zombie, or a giant ghost and it would overall still serve the same basic function.

Rorschach doesn't necessarily ruin it all. His journal may not have ever made it to print, even then it was written by a crazed lunatic, so even if the word got out theres the question of anybody believing it...it could very well end up in the conspiracy section of Watchmen's UM. Also his journal may not even be that legible, when first arrested the cops find his first journal and note that its cryptic and illegible and when Rorschach sends in his second journal he says "tried my best to make this legible" so who knows if he actually succeeded. Also he sends it in before he goes to the artic, so everything learned there wouldn't be in the journal. So its up in the air, really.

It was addressed though in the comics. He said he we are all puppets, he's just a puppet who could see the strings and played his role. He may be god like but he's still defined by the already written future that he's going along with. Manhattan on the warpath would be unstoppable seemly. How can the world join together for the better future if they're joining together just to die? And there are still the limitations he puts on himself despite falling away from humanity. He still was pushing humanity forward with his mind and inventions. So it wouldn't make much sense for him to go all evil out and mass slaughter us.

A robot or something else might have worked if it could achieve the same level of terror and fear that the squid thing did but then there's a matter of where it came from and how it could shape the human condition. If it was just another human creation or disease, the world wouldn't really join together for a common goal. An alien attack with such a magnitude achieved that.

Well the paper is known for it's non-PC ways and they're really going to print anything. They're like the extreme FOX news of today. It would have been a conspiracy but it would have left questions to be answered and a trail to follow. As for his handwriting, the journal he carried around was just a draft, he rewrote everything in his main journal which he sent in before he left. I think it was left to the very last page for that reason.