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#16    Azael

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Posted 14 April 2004 - 11:36 PM

QUOTE (man_in_mudboots @ Apr 15 2004, 12:30 AM)
i think not. The God of the christian religion's literal form on earth is Jesus Christ.

Eh, then someone hasn't studied their dogma.
The Ark is the literal representation of God on Earth.

Jesus is not a representation of God.
Rather, Jesus is a representative of the Holy Trinity.

Remember, that funny little thing that let's Christian have three deities while still be called monotheistic?


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Posted 14 April 2004 - 11:36 PM

QUOTE (man_in_mudboots @ Apr 14 2004, 05:30 PM)
QUOTE (Azael @ Apr 14 2004, 08:30 PM)
Unless it's the Christian religon.
God's literal form on earth is little more than a chair - the Ark of Covenant.

i think not. The God of the christian religion's literal form on earth is Jesus Christ.

I though christ was the son of god?


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Posted 14 April 2004 - 11:42 PM

I'm disappointed in you people.

Avatar, accourding to SP, are a temp manifestion of a fallen deity.

Why would GOD, have an Avatar?  His not fallen.

And of all things on this earth, why would  the ARK be his AVATAR.

HIS GOD, we don't a drawing  or an object to point him out?



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Posted 15 April 2004 - 12:03 AM

It is raining prophets and messiahs...  alien.gif  


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Posted 15 April 2004 - 12:22 AM

QUOTE (Azael @ Apr 15 2004, 12:36 AM)
Eh, then someone hasn't studied their dogma.
The Ark is the literal representation of God on Earth.
Jesus is not a representation of God.
Rather, Jesus is a representative of the Holy Trinity.
Remember, that funny little thing that let's Christian have three deities while still be called monotheistic?

Edit; removed offensive commentdont you lecture me on dogma. i have studied this dogma for ten of my thirteen years. the dogma is that Christ is God. there are three divisions (or dieties, if that helps you) of God:
God the father (creator)
God the son ( jesus Christ, redeemer and judge)
God the Holy spirit (maintainer and grace giver)
pretty much like the three of the hindus, brahman, vishnu, and shiva, except that there is no set destroyer, rather, Jesus judges.

in answer to Mr. Stix, Jesus is referred to as 'the son of God' because he is the result of God the father fertilizing a human, Mary. upon the instant of conception, all humans are given a soul, in this case, the son Mary was having was given not a soul, but God the son himself. therefore he is not the son of God the father. three divisions, one God. its a sacred mystery, apparently not one we are meant to understand.  thumbsup.gif



Edited by Magikman, 23 April 2004 - 04:42 AM.


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Posted 15 April 2004 - 12:37 AM

QUOTE (STIX @ Apr 14 2004, 11:29 PM)
[QUOTE=snuffypuffer,Apr 14 2004, 01:56 PM] [QUOTE=Azael,Apr 14 2004, 08:30 PM]



(reffering to your avatar in the way that I believe you are charlie brown)

You are so right, in fact, my head is hairless and shiny, just like Charlie Brown's! laugh.gif  

Nothing to see here.

#22    man_in_mudboots

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Posted 15 April 2004 - 12:43 AM

QUOTE (snuffypuffer @ Apr 15 2004, 01:37 AM)
QUOTE (Azael @ Apr 14 2004, 08:30 PM)
(reffering to your avatar in the way that I believe you are charlie brown)

You are so right, in fact, my head is hairless and shiny, just like Charlie Brown's!

he admits it.......
quite a few men would take the advantage and say 'no, i have plenty hair......' but not Mr. Snuffy.  


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Posted 15 April 2004 - 01:11 AM

QUOTE (man_in_mudboots @ Apr 14 2004, 08:22 PM)

Edit

I beg your pardon?

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i have studied this dogma for ten of my thirteen years.


Also, why are you still claiming to be 13...Oh yeah, you forgot your birthday.
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QUOTE (man_in_mudboots @ Apr 6 2004, 07:52 PM)
age: 13


man_in_ mud boots if you are going to lie about your age change your profile.

Your profile shows your birthday as
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12 March 1990

that would make you 14. 


Edited by Magikman, 15 April 2004 - 03:39 AM.

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Posted 15 April 2004 - 03:06 AM

QUOTE (man_in_mudboots @ Apr 15 2004, 01:22 AM)
dont you lecture me on dogma, Edit i have studied this dogma for ten of my thirteen years. the dogma is that Christ is God. there are three divisions (or dieties, if that helps you) of God:
God the father (creator)
God the son ( jesus Christ, redeemer and judge)
God the Holy spirit (maintainer and grace giver)
pretty much like the three of the hindus, brahman, vishnu, and shiva, except that there is no set destroyer, rather, Jesus judges. Edit

Edit; removed derogatory remark you don't know jack.

You don't even have the right definition of dogma.

dog·ma    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (dōgm, dg-)
n. pl. dog·mas or dog·ma·ta (-m-t)
A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church.

And don't give me that crap that "dogma is an opinion/belief on a given subject". Dogma is doctrine - not opinion and idea.

Christ is A god, not God himself.  You missed the entire point of the Holy Trinity, which is the single most important concept in Christianity.

The Father represents order and rule
The Son represents compassion and faith
The Spirit represents good and hope

Each are their own entity. Except for the spirit, which is a wholly man-made idea created in a vain attempt to keep Christianity monotheistic.

"I have studied this dogma for ten of my thirteen years!"

No you haven't! Edit You sat in church and listen to some guys who jacks off in the confession yap his mouth off!
That's not studying - that's remotely paying attention!
That's parroting something that was invented by man's hand!


I bet you don't even know who Azael is!
It is he that fathered Azza from Naamah!
It is he that revealed the Arcanna to Solomon!
It is he that taught women to wear make-up and men to forge weapons!

You have no idea about the whole basis of Judeo-Christemdom do you?
You think you're a big, smart, little preteen because you can pay attention to a choirboy banging priest.
You believe God is all storybook and rainbow.

You got a lot to learn, kid.

I screwed with things I shouldn't have, and I paid a heavy toll for my sin, but now I know a lot more than when I committed the deed.  You should open your mind and see what has been hidden from you by the hand of man.



Edited by Magikman, 15 April 2004 - 03:44 AM.


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Posted 15 April 2004 - 03:09 AM

QUOTE (shirini @ Apr 15 2004, 12:42 AM)
I'm disappointed in you people.

Avatar, accourding to SP, are a temp manifestion of a fallen deity.

Why would GOD, have an Avatar?  His not fallen.

And of all things on this earth, why would  the ARK be his AVATAR.

HIS GOD, we don't a drawing  or an object to point him out?

An avatar according to SP is a manifestation of a fallen deity.
But that's according to SP. No one said he was right.


Why would God choose the Ark to be his manifestation?
It is a riddle that reveals that the nature of the Ineffable.

Solve it, and you will know His methods.


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Posted 15 April 2004 - 03:25 AM

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Why would God choose the Ark to be his manifestation?
It is a riddle that reveals that the nature of the Ineffable.


hOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU COME UP WITH THAT?

No one is saying that SP is right.  I just following you guys logic.




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Posted 15 April 2004 - 03:29 AM

QUOTE (shirini @ Apr 15 2004, 04:25 AM)
hOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU COME UP WITH THAT?

No one is saying that SP is right.  I just following you guys logic.

Wasn't my logic.
In my first post in this thread I countered SP's theory and reversed it's meaning to be "One who has descended", or rather "A holy being descended from heaven upon Earth"


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Posted 15 April 2004 - 03:57 AM

If the participants in this discussion can't remain civil to each other, this thread will shortly be closed down. MIM has been dealt with, as for you, Azael, rather than allowing yourself to be goaded into making inappropriate remarks, you would have been better served ignoring MIM's childish and immature retort. As it is, you're being given a verbal warning for your response to him, I hope you take the advise to heart.

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Posted 23 April 2004 - 04:32 AM

I know enough from the histories tought at school to say that thier are many interpretations to common things and many large gaps missing from it all. When you spoke of the fallen I instintly thought of the fallen angels. I myslef am not a religious man but I do like to know what every one else is talking about.  
Everything I have read always speak of avatars as messangers or embodyments of a god. Descended as definiton I can see but descended to help not because they are banished.


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Posted 23 April 2004 - 05:48 AM

Thanks everyone for your comments. Its been a pretty interesting discussion and mostly civil. Hey Magikman, I really hope it shan't be necessary to close the thread. I hope the warning alone is sufficient.

It would be interesting to hear some comments about the more recent use of Avatars to disguise, to hide behind, to present a face that is not the true face. This has become more common an understanding in the Internet age.

Isn't that interesting when the Fallen Angels are often associated with Satan in the monotheistic religions, and that Satan is often called the Great Deceiver.

Fallen angels hiding behind Avatars of deception? Mmmm. Perhaps I shouldn't have raised that Magikman. That could cause some heated debate.

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All the best everyone and thanks
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