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#1    Virtual Particle

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Posted 27 March 2009 - 04:50 AM

A man and a woman marry and have two children (one a boy the other a girl). As a result of some tragedy the man dies the woman is known as a widow; if the man were to die, then he would be known as the widower. But (God forbid) the children were to die? Are there words or titles afforded to any of there survivors?? Such a fundamental aspect of human behavior for which we are all speechless. There are no words to define the feelings we have when faced with the death of a sibling prior to ones own. What causes such a devout adherence across society and throughout history? Meaning, with respect to our senses, is in pretty much every other instance labeled. This is of course a tragic and morbid event and in regard to those of you who have had this experience I would forward my greatest sympathy.

That the sum total of human experience does not have words for anything is in and of itself pause for concern. We have written stories about it, made film, plays talk shows and so on. Though the truth be known, there are other such instances where words have no meaning and this is in relation to spiritual experiences


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Posted 27 March 2009 - 07:44 PM

Do you mean there is no word to call a person who has lost a child? Do you mean there is no word for it, because it would be too painful to concretize such a tragic event?
As they say - language takes things out of chaos. Without names, there is just chaos. And so the word pulls an object into our understanding, into existence, that's why sometimes we forget about the existence of something we don't have words to describe... original.gif

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Posted 27 March 2009 - 10:33 PM

I like Chaos Theory but, in this case what I am trying to address are certain consistencies within human language in respect to fundamental behavior. I mean that, when it comes to the death of a sibling prior to the death of his parents, the surviving parents are not afforded any special title, like in the case when either parent dies in respect to each other (such as widow and widower).  As far as the direction I am heading into, with regards to the topics of Philosophy and Psychology (Linguistics as well blink.gif). While I like Chaos Theory the concepts I am applying and otherwise alluding to involve the interaction of hot and cold dark matter and there subsequent relationship to reality as we understand it. I feel that diffraction is the key to such relationships....

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Matter is essentially an interaction between forms of dark matter (hot and cold), the reaction, as a result of interaction between the two is the diffraction of dark matter. Which results in the existence of matter the type we understand, the one that contains mass (Imagine a Big bang which from our perspective (today's common perspective) occurred "everywhere" at once not from one central location). Humans as we understand it today are made entirely of flesh,cells,molecules,atoms,particles,quarks and so on..... could what we refer to as space-time curvature be represented as the differentiation inherent in our physical structure?


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Posted 30 March 2009 - 04:32 PM

Triad on Mar 27 2009, 06:33 PM, said:

I like Chaos Theory but, in this case what I am trying to address are certain consistencies within human language in respect to fundamental behavior. I mean that, when it comes to the death of a sibling prior to the death of his parents, the surviving parents are not afforded any special title, like in the case when either parent dies in respect to each other (such as widow and widower).  As far as the direction I am heading into, with regards to the topics of Philosophy and Psychology (Linguistics as well blink.gif). While I like Chaos Theory the concepts I am applying and otherwise alluding to involve the interaction of hot and cold dark matter and there subsequent relationship to reality as we understand it. I feel that diffraction is the key to such relationships....

linked-image


Matter is essentially an interaction between forms of dark matter (hot and cold), the reaction, as a result of interaction between the two is the diffraction of dark matter. Which results in the existence of matter the type we understand, the one that contains mass (Imagine a Big bang which from our perspective (today's common perspective) occurred "everywhere" at once not from one central location). Humans as we understand it today are made entirely of flesh,cells,molecules,atoms,particles,quarks and so on..... could what we refer to as space-time curvature be represented as the differentiation inherent in our physical structure?


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Wow, you really lost the understanding of Dark Matter.  If you want to know what it is, study up on Quantum Physics.  You did the same thing as equating someone driving a car and someone eating a sandwich.  They don't go together.  Studying Quantum Physics is no walk in the park.  It takes years of study, with Dark Matter being only a small part of it.  Good luck on your research.  thumbsup.gif


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Posted 30 March 2009 - 08:49 PM

Meiliken have looked at quantum mechanics extensively, tell me how much do you know about Mayan Sound Technology?

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:15 AM

Triad on Mar 30 2009, 04:49 PM, said:

Meiliken have looked at quantum mechanics extensively, tell me how much do you know about Mayan Sound Technology?


You realize how big of a question it is to ask how much someone knows?  Especially when it comes to Quantum Physics?  I honestly don't think the server could hold all of it.  You'll have to come a little more specific than that.  I will say this much, Dark Matter and Dark Energy have nothing to do with Mayan Sound Technology.  Give me something a little more specific. yes.gif

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 02:45 PM

Have been at this long enough to know when someone is being rude and your initial response pretty much fit that category, As far as what you think you know about theoretical physics, quantum mechanics and so on take another look at the term in italics and free to get back to me.



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Here is an article on Mayan Sound Technology did not say it specifically had to do with Dark Matter however have spent an extensive amount of time discussing this issue with Architects and those who teach theoretical physics concerning this subject.  Letís be clear the topic is communication so letís try to do that in a way that is positive.... innocent.gif .

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 08:31 PM

Triad on Apr 2 2009, 10:45 AM, said:

Have been at this long enough to know when someone is being rude and your initial response pretty much fit that category, As far as what you think you know about theoretical physics, quantum mechanics and so on take another look at the term in italics and free to get back to me.



Any thoughts?

Here is an article on Mayan Sound Technology did not say it specifically had to do with Dark Matter however have spent an extensive amount of time discussing this issue with Architects and those who teach theoretical physics concerning this subject.  Letís be clear the topic is communication so letís try to do that in a way that is positive.... innocent.gif .

Any thoughts?



I've not been rude at all.  But as with any text, tone is hard to communicate.  I'm never negative either, but I will look over the sound technology.  Sound isn't exactly my forte'.  Quantum physics is, but I love learning new things.  Hell, I'm tone deaf with tinnitus.  Ringing in my ears sucks. hmm.gif

If you really want to discuss quantum physics, I'm not sure this forum is for it.  Discussing things like ergospheres and such is too off topic.  Pm me and I'd be all too happy to talk about it.  So few people know anything about quantum physics. yes.gif

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:09 PM

Meiliken on Apr 2 2009, 04:31 PM, said:

I've not been rude at all.  But as with any text, tone is hard to communicate.  I'm never negative either, but I will look over the sound technology.  Sound isn't exactly my forte'.  Quantum physics is, but I love learning new things.  Hell, I'm tone deaf with tinnitus.  Ringing in my ears sucks. hmm.gif

If you really want to discuss quantum physics, I'm not sure this forum is for it.  Discussing things like ergospheres and such is too off topic.  Pm me and I'd be all too happy to talk about it.  So few people know anything about quantum physics. yes.gif



Have been posting on the internet since the days when AOL was being run out of a garage Meiliken. Unfortunately, posting messages at PM on an internet Forum when one signs on for the first time or as in my case is revisiting a forum which one has not been at for a while can become a problem. Not that I think that it is an issue now but it is better to wait and get to know folks before doing that.

My problem is my right knee, itís a long story but suffice to say I will need a knee replacement in the not to distant future.  

There is always the topic Philosophy and Quantum Mechanics yes.gif

Meiliken Mayan Sound technology is a very real Unexplained Mystery....

Any thoughts?


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Posted 03 April 2009 - 03:59 AM

Triad on Apr 2 2009, 07:09 PM, said:

Have been posting on the internet since the days when AOL was being run out of a garage Meiliken. Unfortunately, posting messages at PM on an internet Forum when one signs on for the first time or as in my case is revisiting a forum which one has not been at for a while can become a problem. Not that I think that it is an issue now but it is better to wait and get to know folks before doing that.

My problem is my right knee, itís a long story but suffice to say I will need a knee replacement in the not to distant future.  

There is always the topic Philosophy and Quantum Mechanics yes.gif

Meiliken Mayan Sound technology is a very real Unexplained Mystery....

Any thoughts?


Aye, I read your link, and I seem to remember reading something 20 years ago about an ancient society that used nothing but sound waves all through their culture.  Very vague from that long ago, but something I'd wonder.  Would something like this be helpful for deaf people?  Could they feel the sound vibrations more acutely?  Since sound waves need air to move through by vibrating the air molecules, would oversaturation of an area with a greater amount of air make the sound travel farther/louder?  For that matter, does sound travel better in certain gases as opposed to other gases?  My skills don't fall into this fully so I wouldn't know how to find out without being a scientist in it. hmm.gif


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Posted 03 April 2009 - 04:27 AM

Meiliken on Apr 2 2009, 11:59 PM, said:

Aye, I read your link, and I seem to remember reading something 20 years ago about an ancient society that used nothing but sound waves all through their culture.  Very vague from that long ago, but something I'd wonder.  Would something like this be helpful for deaf people?  Could they feel the sound vibrations more acutely?  Since sound waves need air to move through by vibrating the air molecules, would oversaturation of an area with a greater amount of air make the sound travel farther/louder?  For that matter, does sound travel better in certain gases as opposed to other gases?  My skills don't fall into this fully so I wouldn't know how to find out without being a scientist in it. hmm.gif



You might take a look at the topic negative sound and physics

For example....

Negative sound

Now this is just an example the research into this field covers allot; military and medical applications to name a few. You could also try negative sound and biology, architecture, medicine and so on. You should find a lot of PDF files but there will also be many HTML's.  I was planning to do some surfing on this topic this weekend so will look around for your concerns.

Humans can not hear negative sound do not think animals can hear it either but not sure about insects.

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PS: Also Negative sound and earphones you might find that may help but speak to a doctor first.

PSS: We have the ability (at present) to reproduce Mayan Sound Technology but only with electronics. You know those walls on the Expressways? The ones with the circular holes and ridges, that is the best we can do with structures.

Edited by Triad, 03 April 2009 - 04:48 AM.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 04:59 AM

Triad on Apr 3 2009, 12:27 AM, said:

You might take a look at the topic negative sound and physics

For example....

Negative sound

Now this is just an example the research into this field covers allot; military and medical applications to name a few. You could also try negative sound and biology, architecture, medicine and so on. You should find a lot of PDF files but there will also be many HTML's.  I was planning to do some surfing on this topic this weekend so will look around for your concerns.

Humans can not hear negative sound do not think animals can hear it either but not sure about insects.

Any thoughts?


I do know that frequency comes into play when it comes to what people, animals, and insects can hear.  I have the ringing in my ears, and yet I can hear a dog whistle.  Sometimes the ringing hurts and drowns out other sounds.  With medicine, they use ultra sound to bounce waves off of your insides to see what's in there be it disease, or whatnot.  Metal detectors use it to bounce waves off of metallic objects.  I'm only slightly knowledged in acoustics since I try to keep my sound system properly placed to maximize surround sound.  I suppose this ancient culture probably did something similar to have the maximum reverberation from the surrounding structures.  I'd love to go there one day.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 05:08 AM

Triad on Apr 3 2009, 12:27 AM, said:

PS: Also Negative sound and earphones you might find that may help but speak to a doctor first.

PSS: We have the ability (at present) to reproduce Mayan Sound Technology but only with electronics. You know those walls on the Expressways? The ones with the circular holes and ridges, that is the best we can do with structures.


Aye, doctors tell me my hearing isn't bad yet so no point in getting an unnecessary expense yet.

I've seen those walls on the Expressways.  I always thought they were sound dampeners.  Isn't the Taj Mahal an acoustics stage?

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 05:18 AM

Meiliken on Apr 3 2009, 12:59 AM, said:

I do know that frequency comes into play when it comes to what people, animals, and insects can hear.  I have the ringing in my ears, and yet I can hear a dog whistle.  Sometimes the ringing hurts and drowns out other sounds.  With medicine, they use ultra sound to bounce waves off of your insides to see what's in there be it disease, or whatnot.  Metal detectors use it to bounce waves off of metallic objects.  I'm only slightly knowledged in acoustics since I try to keep my sound system properly placed to maximize surround sound.  I suppose this ancient culture probably did something similar to have the maximum reverberation from the surrounding structures.  I'd love to go there one day.



Earphones and speakers which emit negative sound might help with providing you with a unique type of peace and quite (but you should speak to a doctor first). There is one where the speakers are placed in chairs with high tops. There great at parties because folks who need some time away from all the noise can sit in the chairs and only hear a person standing in front of them (there being considered for airplanes and I think that at present they are being offered as such on limited airplanes). That is an interesting way to understand it. We do in fact have very little we can replicate in relation to creating open air structures as mentioned the walls that are used in expressways incorporate Mayan Sound Technology. If we could do it though it would give a whole new meaning to what fans could do during a football game. thumbsup.gif


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Posted 03 April 2009 - 05:26 AM

Triad on Apr 3 2009, 01:18 AM, said:

Earphones and speakers which emit negative sound might help with providing you with a unique type of peace and quite (but you should speak to a doctor first). There is one where the speakers are placed in chairs with high tops. There great at parties because folks who need some time away from all the noise can sit in the chairs and only hear a person standing in front of them (there being considered for airplanes and I think that at present they are being offered as such on limited airplanes). That is an interesting way to understand it. We do in fact have very little we can replicate in relation to creating open air structures as mentioned the walls that are used in expressways incorporate Mayan Sound Technology. If we could do it though it would give a whole new meaning to what fans could do during a football game. thumbsup.gif


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I do remember when I was in the military, our communications specialist showed us something that he only had one of.  It was a specialized head phone that used no electronics whatsoever.  You put it on and silenced all sounds but human speech.  He was given it to study because it's something the military is looking to use inside vehicles since they're so freakin loud.  I was discharged a month later, so I never got to hear any more on it.  Maybe the same technology?  I dunno. hmm.gif

For the ringing in my ears, I don't think anything can be done because I could be in a fully silent room and still hear the ringing.  In fact the less sound around me, the louder the ringing is.  That's why the doctor told me that unless my hearing is going, which it's not, then he really couldn't do anything for me.

Edited by Meiliken, 03 April 2009 - 05:29 AM.

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