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#91    It's Just A Ride

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 12:45 AM

Guardian Angel of Fire on Apr 23 2009, 09:56 PM, said:

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 02:13 AM

Guardian Angel of Fire on Apr 23 2009, 08:56 PM, said:

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I want to take a trip out there to visit it, whether I get anything or not, that dosn't matter, it's a historical place with a lot of history on it, have you seen the time line on the town area? Right across from it is another haunted location.

Here's one of two sites dedicated to the Sallie House
http://www.salliehouse.com/

And debra one of the most recent owners of the house made this site
http://www.thesalliehouse.com/

Also not to derail the thread a bit here but TAPS dosn't fake their evidence for the shows, they don't really run the show it's GH that runs it thus why TAPS is called TAPS and not GH.  They are just being paid as the actors for the show but are acting real life events.  So what if they don't get any evidence, they go in with the mind set to DISPROVE any claims made by the owner(s) of the place they are at, trying to show them it's not a haunting they are having that there are real things that seem like a haunting but are misinterpreted.

Ok back to on topic, like I said, I really am interested in investigating this place.


Yes I know all about the time line. My daughter provided about 90% of the information. Originally the Pickman's, my daughter, and I were going in with Michael Esposito to start a web site dedicate3d to the Sallie House. We ended up with zero control of the site and dropped out to start our own Sallie House site. Yes I know about the time line. Debra never owned the house, they were only renters.
  I did not know that Jason and Grant were doing reenactments. If you go to SciFake.com you can see them reenact a scene from their Halloween show. And although they are there as debunkers, their show would be pretty boring if they never got any evidence.



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Posted 24 April 2009 - 02:18 AM

It's Just A Ride on Apr 23 2009, 06:40 PM, said:

Well if you're going to be like that, I have a very simple and practical solution as well:
Provide evidence that "spirits" and "ghosts" exist.
Form an orderley queue please.


I'm game. What do you constitute as real evidence that "ghosts" exist? Once I understand your rules maybe I can start looking for the real evidence. I am not trying to be nasty I just mean that there are a lot of skeptics and I have never heard what any of them believes is real hard core evidence.



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Posted 24 April 2009 - 02:30 AM

I'm always weary when money is involved, especially considering both websites on the property are selling either DVD's or access to the house.

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 02:56 AM

JerryTalbert on Apr 23 2009, 12:03 PM, said:

I didn't see anything unusual on the video. I didn't like the fact that there wasn't any audio, and you have title boards saying someone else saw this and heard that. If he had it on audio why didn't he add it? What credibility does this group have? All I can say is that I have personally been within three feet of Tony and he had no way of inflicting the cuts to himself.


I agree if it was on audio why wasn't it with the video? It would have been interesting to hear the "Psst" sound, I guess.
This video is one of the few in which we can see what really goes on when Tony is attacked. I mean real videos, not that trumped up "Haunting" TV show stuff.  I was just curious about your take on the vid because I'm perpetually curious. original.gif
I don't know the credentials of that group or any other group that has investigated the Sallie house for that matter, I found this particular group listed on thesalliehouse.com website, under investigations, so I just assumed that someone let them in, and must have checked their credentials at some point. Their investigation was on July 30th, 2007 so it was one of the more recent investigations listed on the "official" site. You and your group are listed there as well.
Can anyone or any group go in and investigate? or is there a screening process that includes checking the credibility of a group or a person before they go in?


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Posted 24 April 2009 - 03:33 AM

Pythia on Apr 24 2009, 02:56 AM, said:

I agree if it was on audio why wasn't it with the video? It would have been interesting to hear the "Psst" sound, I guess.
This video is one of the few in which we can see what really goes on when Tony is attacked. I mean real videos, not that trumped up "Haunting" TV show stuff.  I was just curious about your take on the vid because I'm perpetually curious. original.gif
I don't know the credentials of that group or any other group that has investigated the Sallie house for that matter, I found this particular group listed on thesalliehouse.com website, under investigations, so I just assumed that someone let them in, and must have checked their credentials at some point. Their investigation was on July 30th, 2007 so it was one of the more recent investigations listed on the "official" site. You and your group are listed there as well.
Can anyone or any group go in and investigate? or is there a screening process that includes checking the credibility of a group or a person before they go in?


No there isn't any screening. The owner doesn't care about a group's credibilty. I do have video of Tony being attacked but it is from a static camera that was at the other end of the house, so there were no close-ups. I don't recall but I am thinking I have better video somewhere. I know the first time I met Tony that his bleeding actually started before my camera was locked down on him.



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Posted 24 April 2009 - 03:46 AM

JerryTalbert on Apr 24 2009, 03:18 AM, said:

I'm game. What do you constitute as real evidence that "ghosts" exist? Once I understand your rules maybe I can start looking for the real evidence. I am not trying to be nasty I just mean that there are a lot of skeptics and I have never heard what any of them believes is real hard core evidence.

A photograph of one would be a start. And no, dust doesn't count. Nor do shadows in an already dark room, or dark part of the room. Or tricks of light.
So basically what i'm asking for is a genuine photograph. Fussy of me, i know.

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 05:06 AM

It's Just A Ride on Apr 24 2009, 03:46 AM, said:

A photograph of one would be a start. And no, dust doesn't count. Nor do shadows in an already dark room, or dark part of the room. Or tricks of light.
So basically what i'm asking for is a genuine photograph. Fussy of me, i know.

How about this photo that was taken by a friend of mine at the Sallie House.

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 05:12 AM

JerryTalbert on Apr 24 2009, 05:06 AM, said:

How about this photo that was taken by a friend of mine at the Sallie House.

Let me try again.

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 05:54 AM

He'll just yell photoshop.

How about the Tulip Staircase picture?  Or Raynham Hall?  Or the Watertown (which, granted, could be matrixing, but personally I don't think so)?  How about Corroborree Rock?

How about Palm Sunday or the Cross Correspondences?

It was supposed to be Oliver Lodge, wasn't it, whose last message via ouja board was something like, "well, good luck, but you'll never find proof and even if you do, they'll never believe you"?

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 06:11 AM

like i said sounds like a hoax no proof either. huh.gif And this u can try to prove.

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 01:56 PM

Elfstone810 on Apr 24 2009, 06:54 AM, said:

He'll just yell photoshop.

How about the Tulip Staircase picture?  Or Raynham Hall?  Or the Watertown (which, granted, could be matrixing, but personally I don't think so)?  How about Corroborree Rock?

How about Palm Sunday or the Cross Correspondences?

It was supposed to be Oliver Lodge, wasn't it, whose last message via ouja board was something like, "well, good luck, but you'll never find proof and even if you do, they'll never believe you"?

Wow, you guys get touchy when your beliefs are questioned. You'll have to excuse me, my knowledge on "ghost" photographs is lacking. Once you've seen one camera strap/light reflection/shadow etc, you've seen them all.

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 03:30 PM

It's Just A Ride on Apr 24 2009, 01:56 PM, said:

Wow, you guys get touchy when your beliefs are questioned. You'll have to excuse me, my knowledge on "ghost" photographs is lacking. Once you've seen one camera strap/light reflection/shadow etc, you've seen them all.


Still waiting on the picture. I have the negative to prove it hasn't been tampered with. Sure doesn't look like a camera strap to me.



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Posted 24 April 2009 - 04:13 PM

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A photograph of one would be a start. And no, dust doesn't count. Nor do shadows in an already  dark room, or dark part of the room. Or tricks of light.
So basically what i'm asking for is a genuine photograph. Fussy of me, i know.


If the photo is fuzzy, out of focus or anything like that we hear "with all these ghosts/demons/ufo's etc, why  can't someone get a good picture...then when someone does get a nice, clear in focus photo, the debunkers cry PHOTOSHOP....
Everyone may as well face the facts that no matter how much proof is found, some will always be unable or unwilling to recognize it.


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Posted 24 April 2009 - 05:01 PM

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Wow, you guys get touchy when your beliefs are questioned. You'll have to excuse me, my knowledge on "ghost" photographs is lacking. Once you've seen one camera strap/light reflection/shadow etc, you've seen them all.

I'm not being "touchy", I'm being cynical, and my comment was mostly directed at Jerry Talbert, who I imagine recognizes my references.

I will grant you that there are a lot of camara strap/light reflection/shadow pictures out there touted as "ghost photos".  Also, as for myself I am spectacularly unimpressed by orbs.  The pictures I referenced, however, don't fall into those catagories.  Tulip Staircase and Raynham Hall are widely considered the best ghost pictures ever obtained, not only because of the pictures themselves, but because the circumstances when they were taken were well-known, the people who took them were considered trustworthy, the pictures and negatives were examined by experts, and they both predate Photoshop by decades.  If you're interested, you can search on UM or google them for more information.

(There was a story a few years ago that Raynham Hall had been "debunked", but that was a farce.  The "debunker" was a guy with no specialized knowlege of photography and his explanation was one that had already been discounted by the Kodak lab techs who studied the original negative.)

Personally, I'm not interested in "proving" anything or convincing anyone of anything.  Believe or disbelieve whatever you want to.  I could care less.

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