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#1    saucy

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Posted 21 April 2004 - 05:24 PM

Everything written in the bible is true. At least most of the new testament (including Jesus Christ) can and has been proven historically, scientifically, and archeologically (probably misspelled that one). I don't like the fact that people tell me I'm biased when I'm actually not. I spent my whole life being biased when I believed evolution over creation. Non-religous people need to look more at the Christian religion before coming up with their answers. No, I can't assure everyone where they go or not, but sinning does not get you into hell. Everyone is born a sinner. Moses was a murderer and God chose him to write the first five books in the bible. The other writers were adulterers, rapists, incests and anything else you can think of. God knows nobody here is perfect and he made us all that way. We just have to realize what the truth is and what's not. I know the bible is the truth. A thousand years before Jesus was born, prophets fortold his coming down to every last detail. Where he would be born, who his mother was, that his mother was a virgin, how he would live, what he would do, how he would die and the miracles he would do. I wish athiests would look at this proof before their eyes before coming to conclusions because not believing is a sure ticket into hell.  Now look at it from the evolutionary side.  I've posted all this before, but you cannot turn nothing into something.  Nothing cannot suddenly explode into matter.  A cell on the newly formed planet earth cannot just suddenly appear and start evolving.  A single cell cannot evolve into plants, animals, insects, birds, reptiles and every other life form on this planet.  The universe looks well designed and a designer should be the scientific default, not coincidence and believe me, evolution had to have been a gigantically huge, damn near impossibility.  Archeology proves the bible right each and every single time.  Look it up and tell me what you think



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Posted 21 April 2004 - 06:26 PM

As long as you are not claiming that creationism is a science, I have absolutely no problem with anything that you just said.


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Posted 21 April 2004 - 07:32 PM

creationism is not a science


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Posted 21 April 2004 - 07:37 PM

QUOTE (saucy @ Apr 21 2004, 12:24 PM)
Look it up and tell me what you think

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Posted 21 April 2004 - 07:37 PM

and whyis creationism not a science?

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Posted 21 April 2004 - 07:39 PM

creationism is a belief and maybe a religion.  All science is is a bunch of hypothesis and theories.  I like you too Kellalor


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Posted 21 April 2004 - 07:42 PM

Creationism does have scientific evidence to support it.
Lack of proof of speciation is evidence for creationism.
Lack of good transitional fossils is evidence for creationism.
By means of scientific reduction you can get evidence for creationism.
Sure seems scientific too me.



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Posted 21 April 2004 - 07:47 PM

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creationism is a belief and maybe a religion. All science is is a bunch of hypothesis and theories.


lol.  You obviously had trouble with science in school.  Let me put it this way:

SO IS RELIGION!!!!

There is no REAL proof that any religion is correct.  Science is a belief as well.  Now don't get me wrong though.  I am very religious, to my own Gods.

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Lack of good transitional fossils is evidence for creationism.


Do you know how hard it is for a fossil to be formed, let alone found?!?!?!?  It's DAMN hard!

Actually, spontaneous life creation could happen.  I believe that the Gods set up this universe and watched it grow.  They put a whole lot of matter in a really small space, watched it explode, and viewed as life appeared over the aeons.  Evolution is part of the Gods plans, I honestly don't see why there is still controversey over it when fast evolving creatures like bacteria evolve almost every year.  We have proven in laboratories that evolution occurs very quickly in viruses.  That's how we get new and different flus every now and then.  Spontaneous life would occur when you had proteins, and after a time, they turned into self-promoting proteins.  Later RNA evolved and that led to DNA, and eventually many creatures evolve using RNA and DNA.  No one knows how protiens became self-promoting protiens, but then again, no one knows how and if the Gods/God created everything.  My way satisfies both sides of the argument, science and religion.  Why not leave it at that?

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Posted 21 April 2004 - 07:48 PM

you have a point.  Maybe I just don't want to see lies (science) mixed up with the truth (creation)


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Posted 21 April 2004 - 07:50 PM

QUOTE (Venomshocker @ Apr 21 2004, 02:42 PM)
Creationism does have scientific evidence to support it.
Lack of proof of speciation is evidence for creationism.
Lack of good transitional fossils is evidence for creationism.
By means of scientific reduction you can get evidence for creationism.
Sure seems scientific too me.

I agree, but mainstream science does not and will not factor in the possibility of the divine.



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Posted 21 April 2004 - 07:50 PM

it's called adapting to your environment.  Call that evolution if you want.  I know for a fact that insects, animals and even humans adapt to their surrounds, but evolution is a far cry from that


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Posted 21 April 2004 - 07:52 PM

they refuse to believe God exists, but archeology keeps proving all the scientists wrong.  Why doesn't the world see this?  They teach this crap in school and they don't even know that it's true and there's more evidence to the contrary


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Posted 21 April 2004 - 07:54 PM

Druidus, yes evoloution happens in viruses, and in humans. All animals change on a genetic level over time. But I believe your taking it one step too far.

One animal morphing into another animal has never EVER been proven scientifically. There is no scientific proof of speciation. And because of that other theories need to be considered, i.e.creationism.


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Posted 21 April 2004 - 07:55 PM

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you have a point. Maybe I just don't want to see lies (science) mixed up with the truth (creation)


Please don't outright call all science lies.  Or at least, don't say religion is a definate truth.  I certainly believe it's the truth, but does that make it the truth?  Also, what about the religions that belief in suffering and ritual sacrifice?  Are they the "truth"?

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Posted 21 April 2004 - 07:56 PM

religion can and has been proven over and over again.  Scientists keep scratching their heads and making the age of the earth older and older because they just don't understand.  The so-called facts written in science books now are way different than twenty, even ten years ago.  The facts have never changed over four thousand or more years in the bible.  





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