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[JC De La Torre]

I've always been a big fan of Ghost Hunters because they seemed to be legitimate in their efforts to investigate paranormal phenomena - at least as far as I, a novice, could tell. I missed the live Halloween show in 2008 but a friend of mine who is in a TAPS style group locally told me about how they were exposed as frauds.

Here's an example of what occurred - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlM-Uy8ODYQ.

So was I just naive in believing that GH was legit or is this person over analyzing phenomena that could be real. Seems to me, its pretty concrete Grant faked it. For me, it ruined the show and I haven't watched since. I'd rather not know they were fakes than to know and have to watch every show and wonder - was that a real EVP or hot flash on the infrared or are they faking again?

Can those of you in the ghost hunting community comment on this? I'm curious to hear your opinions.

[Lady ma'at]

JC De La Torre on May 17 2009, 04:05 AM, said:

I've always been a big fan of Ghost Hunters because they seemed to be legitimate in their efforts to investigate paranormal phenomena - at least as far as I, a novice, could tell. I missed the live Halloween show in 2008 but a friend of mine who is in a TAPS style group locally told me about how they were exposed as frauds.

Here's an example of what occurred - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlM-Uy8ODYQ.

So was I just naive in believing that GH was legit or is this person over analyzing phenomena that could be real. Seems to me, its pretty concrete Grant faked it. For me, it ruined the show and I haven't watched since. I'd rather not know they were fakes than to know and have to watch every show and wonder - was that a real EVP or hot flash on the infrared or are they faking again?

Can those of you in the ghost hunting community comment on this? I'm curious to hear your opinions.

I like this guys analysis better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMRc9CO54xY

I think though, that this topic has worn itself out. Ghost Hunters has been damaged by the claim of faking evidence and I am sure it wont be long before they are no longer televised.
But another show will probably take its place and the cycle will repeat itself.

The link I sent you is or a guy calling himsel Haunted hoax. He has over videos that debunked some of the videos that people post o their 'ghosts' I like him because he is impartial.

Lady Ma'at

[Eternal Light]

JC De La Torre on May 17 2009, 04:05 AM, said:

I've always been a big fan of Ghost Hunters because they seemed to be legitimate in their efforts to investigate paranormal phenomena - at least as far as I, a novice, could tell. I missed the live Halloween show in 2008 but a friend of mine who is in a TAPS style group locally told me about how they were exposed as frauds.

Here's an example of what occurred - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlM-Uy8ODYQ.

So was I just naive in believing that GH was legit or is this person over analyzing phenomena that could be real. Seems to me, its pretty concrete Grant faked it. For me, it ruined the show and I haven't watched since. I'd rather not know they were fakes than to know and have to watch every show and wonder - was that a real EVP or hot flash on the infrared or are they faking again?

Can those of you in the ghost hunting community comment on this? I'm curious to hear your opinions.

You see JC De La Torre, it's really all about ratings. If there was nothing to show for all of this, how do you think the ratings would shape up?

Cynical I know, but that's life...

If you want to learn about ghosts, (and I'm not saying that they exist) then join a Ghost  Investigating Group; you will learn some techniques for 'hunting ghosts' and also get a hands on feel for whether your peers in the group are genuinely getting results, or whether it is all BS.    

[Purple Pisces]

I am a huge Ghost Hunters fan so I may be just a tad partial in my opinion!! Just because a tug on a collar can be recreated doesn't mean that the evidence that was caught during their live investigation was a fraud. I have seen a few episodes of Ghost Hunters where they have exposed people trying to pull one over on them. IMO if they were in it for the ratings they would have let the "evidence" go forward as being paranormal. I have also seen episodes where they haven't caught a single shred of evidence! One of the reasons that I love Ghost Hunters is that they do try and debunk any evidence that they find.  

I am new here and definitely don't want to step on any one's toes! I know that the subject of the paranormal in itself can be controversial and I definitely have nothing but respect for individuals and their opinions! I think we can learn from others viewpoints!!

[Eternal Light]

Purple Pisces on May 19 2009, 09:58 PM, said:

I am a huge Ghost Hunters fan so I may be just a tad partial in my opinion!! Just because a tug on a collar can be recreated doesn't mean that the evidence that was caught during their live investigation was a fraud. I have seen a few episodes of Ghost Hunters where they have exposed people trying to pull one over on them. IMO if they were in it for the ratings they would have let the "evidence" go forward as being paranormal. I have also seen episodes where they haven't caught a single shred of evidence! One of the reasons that I love Ghost Hunters is that they do try and debunk any evidence that they find.  

I am new here and definitely don't want to step on any one's toes! I know that the subject of the paranormal in itself can be controversial and I definitely have nothing but respect for individuals and their opinions! I think we can learn from others viewpoints!!

Don't worry Purple Pisces, you haven't stepped on my toes.   Your opinion is just as valid as mine, or anyone else's.

Oh, and welcome to the best Ghost Site on the internet.  

[Purple Pisces]

Thanks for the welcome Eternal Light!!

[LieLieVoss]

if notice alot of the shows leading up to the halloween special were being ruled as haunted... kinda sad

[JC De La Torre]

Purple Pisces on May 19 2009, 04:58 PM, said:

I am a huge Ghost Hunters fan so I may be just a tad partial in my opinion!! Just because a tug on a collar can be recreated doesn't mean that the evidence that was caught during their live investigation was a fraud. I have seen a few episodes of Ghost Hunters where they have exposed people trying to pull one over on them. IMO if they were in it for the ratings they would have let the "evidence" go forward as being paranormal. I have also seen episodes where they haven't caught a single shred of evidence! One of the reasons that I love Ghost Hunters is that they do try and debunk any evidence that they find.  

I am new here and definitely don't want to step on any one's toes! I know that the subject of the paranormal in itself can be controversial and I definitely have nothing but respect for individuals and their opinions! I think we can learn from others viewpoints!!

This is what made me enjoy and believe in the show but I'm sorry, Purple Pisces, you have to be blind not to see the hoax. Just look at Jason's face - even he didn't believe Grant and I think was annoyed he was trying to pull this off on a live show.

As for ratings, the fraud has caused me never to watch the show again, I'm sure I'm not the only one to feel that way - so I hope they like their ratings now.

[HollyDolly]

Hi JC and welcome.Don't give up on the show.I watch it for entertainment, and they do catch things, like their visit to the San Augustine Light House in Florida. That definetly wasn't faked.They did expose  the bed spread moving on the Queen Mary as a hoax,and of course the Moss Beach Distillery.
It's a shame that TAPS didn't go way down into the Queen Mary, in the area where the engines are. I remember seeing many years ago a show about ghosts and it had on there the Queen Mary.Dr.William Rolle placed a voice activated tape recorder down in that area.And area that is acessable only to maintance workers, no visitors are allowed there ,nor can get there. They recorded voices and noises and there were no humans around.

The thing with Jay and Grant at the Halloween Live Show, well if Grant had mentioned just once to Jay about something doing a tug on his jacket , then
you could say maybe it was paranormal.But Grant kept saying several times  this"ghost" tugged on the jacket,and it seemed like it was always in the same place. I guess Jay thought that if Grant kept at it,then the fans would think it's bogus,hence Jay's PO'd expression.Now did Jay know that Grant had done something to rig his jacket so that it appeared  to move by itself,I don't know, but he sure wasn't happy about it.

The episode with the Armory and frank getting hit  when his gear bag moved up and hit him in the face wasn't fake .That was real.
I think alot of pressure is put on them by SCI-FI to produce results for ratings.But you can't turn it off and on like a faucet.
Many investigartors can tell you this. They may go to some place  and have  activity, then next time, nothing happens.
Who knows, amybe some time you might watch it and catch some really good activity, just can't tell.

[Lt_Ripley]

it's TV . to think things aren't being hoaxed is naive with sponsors and viewers to satisfy.

[Purple Pisces]

Well I guess I'm blind, naive and what ever other term anyone wants to throw out there!! I have watched TAPS since their very 1st episode and will continue to watch them. I refuse to believe that they would risk the reputation of their group or the reputation of their families. It just amazes me how people can make judgement calls on someone's character who they've never even met!!

[Talonfire]

When someone televises something like this I'm going to automatically assume that they're folks who just want attention, and want to cash in on unknown phenomenon. The world is filled with those kinds of people, and most ghost reality TV shows I know of are run by those kinds of people, and so far Ghost Hunters hasn't given me any reason to believe that they're any different.

[Stormcrow]

JC De La Torre on Jun 10 2009, 09:49 PM, said:

This is what made me enjoy and believe in the show but I'm sorry, Purple Pisces, you have to be blind not to see the hoax. Just look at Jason's face - even he didn't believe Grant and I think was annoyed he was trying to pull this off on a live show.

As for ratings, the fraud has caused me never to watch the show again, I'm sure I'm not the only one to feel that way - so I hope they like their ratings now.

Their ratings are as good as ever, if not better, since the Halloween episode.

But I agree with Purple. Way to base your opinion on people you've never even met. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. It's TV, and TAPS probably does have things that they won't want to do, but because of contract, are forced to. SciFi isn't a trustworthy program, and I hate that TAPS got a starting with them, so as for trusting the SHOW? Who gives a whoot, it's entertainment. As for trusting the TEAM? For what reason do you have not to? Did they come to your house and then proceed to piss in your Cheerios?

[Blueguardian]

I think there should be shows that don't fake evidence, sponsors have to understand that not every show can guarantee evidence. Even if they walked around a possibly haunted house for an entire episode and didn't get anything.

[Stormcrow]

Blueguardian on Jun 12 2009, 02:54 AM, said:

I think there should be shows that don't fake evidence, sponsors have to understand that not every show can guarantee evidence. Even if they walked around a possibly haunted house for an entire episode and didn't get anything.

How many people would watch that? Investigations are boring as hell, no one wants to see that side of them.