[jesspy]

Just saw Terminator salvation the other day

okay im confused

It was a good movie and i saw a few tie ins to the originals but im confused somehow. Something did not make sense and im not sure what.

Sam Worthington is hot i learnt that. But plot wise i dont even know what im trying to say im so confused. The whole time paradox thing my brain is boggled.

Okay quick question are there alternate realities in this thing. Cause the computer mentioned trying to do this over and over building a better machine that is.

The whole movie was more action then plot John Connor was barely in it. Someone explain this movie to me please.

[Sho_Sho]

jesspy on Jun 5 2009, 08:35 AM, said:

Just saw Terminator salvation the other day

okay im confused

It was a good movie and i saw a few tie ins to the originals but im confused somehow. Something did not make sense and im not sure what.

Sam Worthington is hot i learnt that. But plot wise i dont even know what im trying to say im so confused. The whole time paradox thing my brain is boggled.

Okay quick question are there alternate realities in this thing. Cause the computer mentioned trying to do this over and over building a better machine that is.

The whole movie was more action then plot John Connor was barely in it. Someone explain this movie to me please.

You know I’m not sure either. I am just so tired of all the remakes. There was absolutely NO NEED to make another Terminator movie. Its a tired series.

[D1CKY D1AMOND]

jesspy on Jun 5 2009, 01:35 AM, said:

Just saw Terminator salvation the other day

okay im confused

It was a good movie and i saw a few tie ins to the originals but im confused somehow. Something did not make sense and im not sure what.

Sam Worthington is hot i learnt that. But plot wise i dont even know what im trying to say im so confused. The whole time paradox thing my brain is boggled.

Okay quick question are there alternate realities in this thing. Cause the computer mentioned trying to do this over and over building a better machine that is.

The whole movie was more action then plot John Connor was barely in it. Someone explain this movie to me please.

No this movie ignores the third pretty much however it is entirely faithful to the first 2 movies...

It was true to the cannon of the Cameron films and I'll explain why.

This movie focuses on the early part of the war as mentioned by Kyle Reese to Sarah Connor when he was sent back to 1984. Here are a few quotes that pertain to what we saw in the fourth film.

"The 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy, but these are new. They look human... sweat, bad breath, everything. Very hard to spot. I had to wait till he moved on you before I could zero on him."

This is obviously in reference to the T-600... In this film the resistance is at this point in the war.

"John Connor gave me a picture of you once. I didn't know why at the time. It was very old - torn, faded. You were young like you are now. You seemed just a little sad. I used to always wonder what you were thinking at that moment. I memorized every line, every curve. I came across time for you Sarah. I love you; I always have."

John Connor did in fact give Kyle Reese this picture... The exact one from the first movie too. This was a very important part of the original movie, it had also shown that John Connor in the future of the first film was already well aware of all the future events to follow as he was in this movie.

"I grew up after. In the ruins... starving... hiding from H-K's."

This was an important part of the story for the new film....

"Hunter-Killers. Aerial and ground patrol machines built in automated factories. Most of us were rounded up, put in camps for orderly disposal."
and
"This is burned in by laser scan. Some of us were kept alive... to work... loading bodies into dumpsters and incinerators. The disposal units ran night and day. We were that close to going out forever. But there was one man who taught us to fight, to storm the wire of the camps, to smash those metal mother****ers into junk. He turned it around. He brought us back from the brink. His name is Connor. John Connor. Your son, Sarah, your unborn son.

These 2 quotes were the entire premise of the new film, the war started humans were in concentration camps and were then liberated by John Connor....

See none of the events of the first movies altered the time line of the future because all the events in the first movies had already happened. Skynet screwed up playing with time and essentially created itself, John Connor and the war by creating the time displacement device to send the first Terminator back and also used by Connor to send Reese back in time.... It's a time paradox.

This movie focused on the events foretold by Kyle in 1984 to Sarah after he came back in time from 2029.

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The film was 100% faithful to the foretold future that Reese has talked about. If there was one thing about this movie that was good it was McG, whether you love him or hate him this movie was great and faithful to Cameron's vision. In fact it was the only reason why Cameron said it was good and why Linda Hamilton gave her voice to the movie.

It made up for the third and I can't wait to see the fifth film which will likely take place in 2029 when Skynet sends back the T-800's to 84 and 97 and when the resistance begins to reprogram machines to fight alongside them.

[D1CKY D1AMOND]

Sho_Sho on Jun 5 2009, 12:44 PM, said:

You know I’m not sure either. I am just so tired of all the remakes. There was absolutely NO NEED to make another Terminator movie. Its a tired series.

It's not a tired series and the movie is still top 5 at the box office now ahead Star Trek...

Let's get something clear here though this movie was NOT a remake or a reboot of the original series... In fact other then mentioned events of the first 2 films and a few other things like characters and the iconic T-101 (Ahnold) this is an entirely different movie of a NEW series in the Terminator saga. It's a new trilogy and unlike Lucas McG actually pulled it off pretty good.

As for being tired I don't think so... Aside from the movies the franchise is still strong via graphic novels, comics and merchandise. Among Scifi nuts like me the saga is one of the best scifi franchises of all time and will probably keep going as it has a massive fan base.

Terminator Salvation is the movie I wanted Terminator 3 to be, and the movie I wanted to see since I first took a look at glimpses of the future in the previous films. The one thing almost all Terminator fans agree on is that we all wanted this movie to happen because we wanted to see Connor the resistance fight a lot of awesome ****ing robots.

There was absolutely every need to make this movie, fans get satisfied and CW gets to make truck loads of cash.... It was only logical for everyone that this happened.

[Splodgenessabounds]

I saw Salvation a few days ago, it's probably one of the most boring film I've ever seen and I'm a huge fan of T1 and T2. Really disappointing .

Still better than T3. Then again, what isn't?

This post has been edited by Splodgenessabounds: 06 June 2009 - 01:49 AM

[--Mandalore--]

D1CKY D1AMOND on Jun 5 2009, 04:28 PM, said:

It's not a tired series and the movie is still top 5 at the box office now ahead Star Trek...

Let's get something clear here though this movie was NOT a remake or a reboot of the original series... In fact other then mentioned events of the first 2 films and a few other things like characters and the iconic T-101 (Ahnold) this is an entirely different movie of a NEW series in the Terminator saga. It's a new trilogy and unlike Lucas McG actually pulled it off pretty good.

As for being tired I don't think so... Aside from the movies the franchise is still strong via graphic novels, comics and merchandise. Among Scifi nuts like me the saga is one of the best scifi franchises of all time and will probably keep going as it has a massive fan base.

Terminator Salvation is the movie I wanted Terminator 3 to be, and the movie I wanted to see since I first took a look at glimpses of the future in the previous films. The one thing almost all Terminator fans agree on is that we all wanted this movie to happen because we wanted to see Connor the resistance fight a lot of awesome ****ing robots.

There was absolutely every need to make this movie, fans get satisfied and CW gets to make truck loads of cash.... It was only logical for everyone that this happened.

Well Star Trek has been out for over a month, so....

But this series idefinitely in the top 5 among sci-fi nuts like us, but for me its 3rd behind Star Trek and Star Wars.

I liked the movie, except for the ending. That was a disappointment, but still a good movie.

[Bill Hill]

Splodgenessabounds on Jun 6 2009, 02:48 AM, said:

I saw Salvation a few days ago, it's probably one of the most boring film I've ever seen and I'm a huge fan of T1 and T2. Really disappointing .

Thanks for the heads up, I'm just downloa...... er I mean walking to the cinema.. to watch it..
at 3 45 in the morning.

[Enigmatic Ghost]

Haven’t seen it yet and I am a huge Sci-fi and Space Sci-fi fan, But I always seem to get board after the First Movie, when they start the Follow ups they either toss some over rated Actor(s) into the picture in hopes to sell it because they know the Plot is week, or they just ruin it all the way from the start, Like is all of the Star Trek Movies.

Alien was an Awesome top rated Space Sci-fi Movie, did ok on Aliens, and the others just limp along to follow them.

Start Track, never had me as a Fan, and again burned out actors all the way through.

Star Wars Was a Grate Movie but it drop the ball so many times and my mind got damn boards with it all.

Terminator, I don’t think that I have seen any movie Arnold Gubernator hasn’t destroyed, but for --> T1, as it Was pulled off, I thought it was great, T2, was fun, T3 a Joke and I hope this one got Away from the Frilly Hollywood Hype crap and Govenator and was a Movie that stood upon its own from the first moment the real started to turn until the Ending Credits, I understand that Special effects is most of a Space or Futuristic Sci-fi, but I really am hoping they didn’t saturate it with Special effects and clichés. Like I said the First Movies are most always great but when they start trying to push along the follow ups it gets to be very frustrating and a waste of time and money to say the least.

For me the Only Movie that was Awesome from the start to finish of the First Movie and all the follow up episodes was Matrix trilogy, but maybe that’s because the Director was smart enough to Keep Arnold Swartz and other Cut Rate Cheese Ballers out of the Films.

This post has been edited by Pavot: 06 June 2009 - 03:57 AM

[jesspy]

--Mandalore-- on Jun 6 2009, 12:44 PM, said:

Well Star Trek has been out for over a month, so....

But this series idefinitely in the top 5 among sci-fi nuts like us, but for me its 3rd behind Star Trek and Star Wars.

I liked the movie, except for the ending. That was a disappointment, but still a good movie.

Yeah the ending sucked. I said to my brother that they did make the ultimate infiltration machine cause now he has his heart so he is a part of him. But then it is a human heart blah blah. SO yeah it didn't work but **** if the machines knew that im sure there would have been a miniature nuclear device implanted in the heart lol but the ending seemed open and not the sequel open it just seemed like bluh like no one really cared to write a good ending. I dont know how to explain it. It was a fart of an ending and i saw it coming the heart thing when he got stabbed

Bill Hill on Jun 6 2009, 12:47 PM, said:

Thanks for the heads up, I'm just downloa...... er I mean walking to the cinema.. to watch it..
at 3 45 in the morning.

lol

[Dr Alien]

i preferred the first movie to salvation. i gave it a 7/10. i dont know what it is, but i expected it to be much better and i feel they left out too much.

[D1CKY D1AMOND]

Dr Alien on Jun 7 2009, 09:28 AM, said:

i preferred the first movie to salvation. i gave it a 7/10. i dont know what it is, but i expected it to be much better and i feel they left out too much.

The foretold events of the movies were further ahead in 2029, this movie took place in 2018.

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Yeah the ending sucked. I said to my brother that they did make the ultimate infiltration machine cause now he has his heart so he is a part of him. But then it is a human heart blah blah. SO yeah it didn't work but **** if the machines knew that im sure there would have been a miniature nuclear device implanted in the heart lol but the ending seemed open and not the sequel open it just seemed like bluh like no one really cared to write a good ending. I dont know how to explain it. It was a fart of an ending and i saw it coming the heart thing when he got stabbed

I disagree... Marcus Wright was not perfect and his lack of subservience the sole reason why Skynet probably never made another one.

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For me the Only Movie that was Awesome from the start to finish of the First Movie and all the follow up episodes was Matrix trilogy, but maybe that’s because the Director was smart enough to Keep Arnold Swartz and other Cut Rate Cheese Ballers out of the Films.

This is where we disagree....

I loved the first Matrix because it's story arc blew my mind. The second and third movies though were no where near as compelling as the first movie and the ball was definitely dropped in regards to the story telling. Great action all the way through but lacking as films.

They were decent sequels but could have been much better.

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Terminator, I don’t think that I have seen any movie Arnold Gubernator hasn’t destroyed, but for --> T1, as it Was pulled off, I thought it was great, T2, was fun, T3 a Joke and I hope this one got Away from the Frilly Hollywood Hype crap and Govenator and was a Movie that stood upon its own from the first moment the real started to turn until the Ending Credits, I understand that Special effects is most of a Space or Futuristic Sci-fi, but I really am hoping they didn’t saturate it with Special effects and clichés. Like I said the First Movies are most always great but when they start trying to push along the follow ups it gets to be very frustrating and a waste of time and money to say the least.

T3 wasn't that bad if you didn't count it as an official sequel lol.

Arnold isn't that bad of an actor in his movies.... Total Recall and Running Man were fantastic movies among a few others.

[Dr Alien]

D1CKY D1AMOND on Jun 8 2009, 08:25 PM, said:

The foretold events of the movies were further ahead in 2029, this movie took place in 2018.

i just think they couldve explained skynet in more detail.

[Corp]

It was ok, but I think they could have explained the overall situation a lot better. I always got the impression of Skynet armies endlessly striking at the humans, who somehow manage to hold on and turn the tide. In the movie the humans have air power, plenty of weapons and supplies, and Skynet seems to more or less ignore them. After all it had those snake robots near the one human base. Could have sent that massive collector robot and walked all over them. After all durning Marcus' escape not like they were being quiet or anything

They could have also explained how Conner got his following since he starts the movie as just being a grunt, and then later is able to give orders to all of humanity (chain of command means nothing in the future). And I too was disappointed with the ending. Not the overall ideas but that fact that Conner really should have been dead shortly after he got stabbed. And what blood type was Marcus? Was he even a proper donner?

This post has been edited by Corp: 08 June 2009 - 08:00 PM

[REBEL]

Transformator.





Can you spot the difference kiddies?




Someone may have mentioned downloading it off the net...don't waste your GB MB & Kb/Mb.

[village_idiot]

In retrospect, I'd have to argue that Terminator:Salvation could be considered both a prequal AND a sequal...The movie picks up (somewhat) where Rise of the Machines left off and gives us insight into the true stories of the 'war against the machines.' If you think aboutit, the film is sort of a blessing for those who saw the 1984 film and were confused as they found themselves thrown into a story that held little explanations...
By the way, I don't think Christian Bale made a good John Conner...