[D1CKY D1AMOND]

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Someone may have mentioned downloading it off the net...don't waste your GB MB & Kb/Mb.

Other then the fact they are both giant robots they look totally different and one transforms into a car.... Asking to spot the difference here is like asking to spot the difference Captain Kirk and Han Solo.

Yeah your right... Go and pay to see the movie cause it's better then REBEL says it is. The only people complaining are fanboys who have expectations impossible to meet.

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i just think they couldve explained skynet in more detail.

How so? Skynet is simply an AI software that launched a war on humanity, it has already been explained in detail in the first trilogy. However I am sure it will be more prominent in the next movie.

[REBEL]

D1CKY D1AMOND on Jun 9 2009, 09:46 AM, said:

Other then the fact they are both giant robots they look totally different and one transforms into a car.... Asking to spot the difference here is like asking to spot the difference Captain Kirk and Han Solo.

Yeah your right... Go and pay to see the movie cause it's better then REBEL says it is. The only people complaining are fanboys who have expectations impossible to meet.

Surprising how ppl take movie criticism to heart.
As a paying viewer that's my opinion...IT SUCKED. Think of it as a pre-viewing heads-up...take it or leave it.

It was almost as boring as T3, appealing to the committed obsessive, all machine no movie lacking what the first & second had, if ya follow my meaning. Plenty action granted with awesome visual effects...so what else is new.

[--Mandalore--]

REBEL on Jun 9 2009, 01:57 AM, said:

Surprising how ppl take movie criticism to heart.
As a paying viewer that's my opinion...IT SUCKED. Think of it as a pre-viewing heads-up...take it or leave it.

It was almost as boring as T3, appealing to the committed obsessive, all machine no movie lacking what the first & second had, if ya follow my meaning. Plenty action granted with awesome visual effects...so what else is new.

I agree. I was never a big Terminator fan, sure I watched the movies but that was the extent of it. The movie made Skynet seem less lethal, than the previous ones had.

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I always got the impression of Skynet armies endlessly striking at the humans, who somehow manage to hold on and turn the tide. In the movie the humans have air power, plenty of weapons and supplies, and Skynet seems to more or less ignore them. After all it had those snake robots near the one human base. Could have sent that massive collector robot and walked all over them.

I got the same impression, that they were just about unstoppable and relentless in their quest to destroy humanity. But the new one seemed to dumb that down a lot.

Just my $.02.


--M--

[dlv]

jesspy on Jun 5 2009, 08:35 AM, said:

Just saw Terminator salvation the other day

The whole movie was more action then plot John Connor was barely in it. Someone explain this movie to me please.

I hate to say this, but I really like this film, and I take back my previous attack... The star of the movie is actually Marcus Wright. His character is well developed and freshly moved the story along. Perhaps the director realized that if the focus is on John Connor again, the movie would fail and bore the hell out of everyone. Let's face it, the third Terminator is a giant bore and unnecessary. To me Salvation is THE third Terminator. The other good aspect of this film is the fact that the action is not obligatory; the action scenes definitely served to further develop the characters, especially of Marcus Wright. This kind of development technique is almost rare, indeed, among action/sf genre films. Third, Salvation is more complex than the previous films, and it has a heart, no pun intended. If you only focus your mind on John Connor, you'll be disappointed, no doubt, for he is another cardboard cutout hero. I'm really surprised that Mr. Bale's representative let the writer get away with it. Perhaps Christian and his agency don't read the script handed them? Perhaps it's the director's revenge for Christian Bale's freak-out, the reason for his lack of screen presence? Anyhoo, it's all just dandy for Sam Worthington, our latest hero for now and the near future.

[weaver209]

i think that the movie was made to the first 2 movies and they made it just to give room for another because they don't have to stick to a plot now
if you know what i mean

[Dr Alien]

i found the fact that the terminator that stabbed john connor a bit far fetched that it was practically invincible and in the end that good cyborg killed it by ripping its head off, and that other cyborg with a heart how it couldnt control it and the terminator couldnt recognise it as its ally. and what john connor did couldve been done by any other random character.

they shouldve made john connor more special to stand out from the rest of the resistance, and none of that "youve been prophicised" and not be incharge of the entire thing and john connor shouldve killed that terminator.

[Moon Minion]

REBEL on Jun 9 2009, 05:57 AM, said:

Surprising how ppl take movie criticism to heart.
As a paying viewer that's my opinion...IT SUCKED. Think of it as a pre-viewing heads-up...take it or leave it.

It was almost as boring as T3, appealing to the committed obsessive, all machine no movie lacking what the first & second had, if ya follow my meaning. Plenty action granted with awesome visual effects...so what else is new.

Yeah mate I agree here. Not as good as the first two movies, a little better than the third I think, just a little. What I hate is how the hype takes over, your all hyped up for the movie thanks to endless glamorized previews, and the expectations aren't met. Not that I had particularly high expectations, but you know what I mean...

My opinion folks!!!

Dr Alien on Jun 10 2009, 07:46 PM, said:

i found the fact that the terminator that stabbed john connor a bit far fetched that it was practically invincible and in the end that good cyborg killed it by ripping its head off, and that other cyborg with a heart how it couldnt control it and the terminator couldnt recognise it as its ally. and what john connor did couldve been done by any other random character.

they shouldve made john connor more special to stand out from the rest of the resistance, and none of that "youve been prophicised" and not be incharge of the entire thing and john connor shouldve killed that terminator.

Yeah I agree with this too. I would've liked John Connor to be the main star, he is after all the leader!!! I think Christian Bale is a good Actor and I don't think this role did him justice.

Remember my opinion, don't let the Terminator fanatics eat me!!!

[dlv]

Yeah, and your keyword here is "practically," not "absolutely." It's like saying Superman is "practically" invincible. You basically want it to be more dumbed-down. Sorry, most people are ahead of you since computers talk among themselves in nanoseconds, figuratively speaking.

John Connor is special, but not special enough to carry another big-budget film. Watch the third Terminatior if you didn't get enough of him.

I agree, John C. should've killed that metal monster, but alas, he's not the main focus of this film. There's something going on in the director's head that kept Mr. Bale out of the spotlight. Perhaps revenge is the clue for Christian's social error? Hollywood is known to be a vindictive town.

Dr Alien on Jun 10 2009, 08:46 PM, said:

it was practically invincible

that other cyborg with a heart how it couldnt control it and the terminator couldnt recognise it as its ally. and what john connor did couldve been done by any other random character.

they shouldve made john connor more special to stand out from the rest of the resistance, and none of that "youve been prophicised" and not be incharge of the entire thing and john connor shouldve killed that terminator.

[D1CKY D1AMOND]

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It was almost as boring as T3, appealing to the committed obsessive, all machine no movie lacking what the first & second had, if ya follow my meaning. Plenty action granted with awesome visual effects...so what else is new.

I thought Salvation had a good story and I'm glad they decided to focus on Marcus Wright whom I consider the main character.

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I agree. I was never a big Terminator fan, sure I watched the movies but that was the extent of it. The movie made Skynet seem less lethal, than the previous ones had.

That's because SKYNET is less lethal.... Kyle Reese in the first terminator movie told Sarah that SKYNET pre T-800 was less lethal.

I believe the next movie will feature a much more relentless SKYNET, T-800's and 'phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range'.

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Yeah I agree with this too. I would've liked John Connor to be the main star, he is after all the leader!!! I think Christian Bale is a good Actor and I don't think this role did him justice.

Remember my opinion, don't let the Terminator fanatics eat me!!!

I won't eat you... I agree they dropped the ball on the film a bit too.

What this movie had going for it that T3 didn't was continuity with the first film. McG did a fantastic job here, got Camerons stamp of approval and got Linda Hamilton to reprise her role as Sarah Connor.

I see the next movie being this new trilogies 'Empire Strikes Back' featuring a grim story line and the rise of the T-800 being relentless in their hunt for humans as featured in the first 2 films.

[BlindMessiah]

I thought Terminator and Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles were good, T2 was incredible, T3 was a joke, T4 was okay. There were a ton of plot holes.

Why didn't Connor start the resistance like he did originally?
How did Skynet know about Kyle Reese and John Connor when they haven't done anything yet?
Why is John Connor even important if he didn't start the resistance?
If Skynet knew who Kyle Reese was, why didn't they kill him as soon as they identified him?

[D1CKY D1AMOND]

BlindMessiah on Jun 10 2009, 10:46 PM, said:

I thought Terminator and Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles were good, T2 was incredible, T3 was a joke, T4 was okay. There were a ton of plot holes.

Why didn't Connor start the resistance like he did originally?
How did Skynet know about Kyle Reese and John Connor when they haven't done anything yet?
Why is John Connor even important if he didn't start the resistance?
If Skynet knew who Kyle Reese was, why didn't they kill him as soon as they identified him?

He did start the resistance like he did originally although with the help of Marcus Wright freeing humans from the SKYNET concentration camp saving most of the people left from extermination.

SKYNET knew about Connor because of his radio broadcasts and found out about Kyle Reese through Marcus Wright when Connor told him about how they were at war since before judgment day.... Remember they explain in the movie that SKYNET is connected to all it's machines and this obviously includes Wright as he also has a chip.

Because John Connor knows about future events and how to defeat SKYNET. In the TV series they expand upon how Connor fights SKYNET likely through his ability to hack into the network and reverse engineer SKYNET technologies.

Because if Reese was killed there wouldn't be a movie. That and SKYNET while knowing about Reese didn't know what he looked like etc.

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BlindMessiah on Jun 11 2009, 05:46 AM, said:

I thought Terminator and Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles were good, T2 was incredible, T3 was a joke, T4 was okay. There were a ton of plot holes.

Why didn't Connor start the resistance like he did originally?
How did Skynet know about Kyle Reese and John Connor when they haven't done anything yet?
Why is John Connor even important if he didn't start the resistance?
If Skynet knew who Kyle Reese was, why didn't they kill him as soon as they identified him?

It's like saying, "Who came first: the chicken, or the egg?" If you figure that one out, then you win the booby price. There are no plot holes in T4, except for the boring T3 predecessor, or should I say, 'it's future'??? Now, I'm confused, and it's all your fault.

[Captain Jirk]

Okay, here's a couple of things that bugged me with this movie...first off, Skynet had a big hard on for having Kyle Reese captive to lure John Connor in...how did Skynet know that Kyle Reese was Connor's father? Why did they know his importance, and if knowing it, why not just kill him, creating some kind of paradox that wouldn't allow Connor to have been born. Instead, they kept him hostage until Connor infiltrated Skynet. I can't reacall any moment in the previous movies that would have told me that Skynet had discovered that Kyle Reese was John Connor's father.

Then, they send only one Arnie Terminator out to kill Connor??? Only one??? There were like a bajillion terminators in Skynet, and they send only ONE? Killing Connor should be the most important thing to Skynet, so why not send out a freaken legion of terminators when they know where he is IN SKYNET and make sure he has no chance? I thought those two points were pretty weak.

All in all, the movie was fair. The action parts were cool, the non action parts were BORING! Not really worth the money, and without Cameron, they should just give this franchise up. Only he seemed to have the vision needed to make a great Terminator movie.

'nuff said from me.

[dlv]

Once you do a time machine-inspired story, parallel universes and practically endless possibilities are inevitable, but let's stick with the T4 script and time-frame for now. Let's not get ahead of the presented story. As far as I know, at the time of Kyle Reese's imprisonment, Skynet doesn't have the data that he's the father of John. Skynet knows, however, that John is earnestly looking for a guy named Kyle Reese through Marcus.

Have you noticed that the storyteller used Connor as John's last name, not Reese? That's not a mistake; it has its purpose... As far as I know, nobody asked Sarah Connor who the baby's father is. Did the storyteller named a hospital where John was born? NO. Therefore, how could a computer have any data on that boy? The past, the machines were still unconscious at the time of John's birth, remember?

Again, let's not get ahead of the story. T4 is basically way before Skynet sent Arnold to the past, let alone the liquifactor metallica.

Then, they send only one Arnie Terminator out to kill Connor??? Everything happened so quickly, and Skynet is still building those stupid extra-er strength metal monsters. Only one was ready to be destroyed, okay!? Skynet was having a bad day, as if you hadn't noticed, and the factory worker-machines were on strike.

Captain Jirk on Jun 12 2009, 03:48 AM, said:

Okay, here's a couple of things that bugged me with this movie...first off, Skynet had a big hard on for having Kyle Reese captive to lure John Connor in...how did Skynet know that Kyle Reese was Connor's father? Why did they know his importance, and if knowing it, why not just kill him, creating some kind of paradox that wouldn't allow Connor to have been born. Instead, they kept him hostage until Connor infiltrated Skynet. I can't reacall any moment in the previous movies that would have told me that Skynet had discovered that Kyle Reese was John Connor's father.

Then, they send only one Arnie Terminator out to kill Connor??? Only one??? There were like a bajillion terminators in Skynet, and they send only ONE? Killing Connor should be the most important thing to Skynet, so why not send out a freaken legion of terminators when they know where he is IN SKYNET and make sure he has no chance? I thought those two points were pretty weak.

All in all, the movie was fair. The action parts were cool, the non action parts were BORING! Not really worth the money, and without Cameron, they should just give this franchise up. Only he seemed to have the vision needed to make a great Terminator movie.

'nuff said from me.

[Lady Amethyst]

When they reopen the cinema I'm going to watch Terminator Salvation