[Nick.J.95]

I thought Salvation was a disappointment. It could have been much better considering the franchise.

[jesspy]

REBEL on Jun 9 2009, 08:53 AM, said:

Transformator.





Can you spot the difference kiddies?

ones yellow and the other has a little man standing next to it

anyway thanks for all the info and view points guys.

[REBEL]

Nick.J.95 on Jun 12 2009, 07:19 PM, said:

I thought Salvation was a disappointment. It could have been much better considering the franchise.

Bingo.

The more they pump the promo the more i'm suspect of it.
Look at pre-release 'secretive' (ooohhh ) massive mega mad media hype for Cloverfield (example) don't see it going down as a memorable classic.



(for the record; I only went to see T4 because my sons kept busting my .....)

[behaviour???]

Terminator salvation could have been better than what they showed to us on the big screen
Thanks
B???

[dlv]

behaviour??? on Jun 12 2009, 04:41 PM, said:

Terminator salvation could have been better than what they showed to us on the big screen
Thanks
B???

Always keep in mind, however, that it is the FOURTH, "continuation," instalment. As far as I know, it is the most successful film of its kind. Could you name one that could beat it's success, and I'm not just talking about in dollars sense? Certainly not Star Dread??? Nor Star Bore???

[jesspy]

I think three should never happened. And if cameron was in on it i thin Salvation would have been better. I dont know if it was a quick idea but it was put together quickly. I think if Cameron could have he would have done sequels i do not think the 80s had the software computer graphics etc needed to show the full extent of the war.

[BlindMessiah]

D1CKY D1AMOND on Jun 11 2009, 10:51 AM, said:

He did start the resistance like he did originally although with the help of Marcus Wright freeing humans from the SKYNET concentration camp saving most of the people left from extermination.

SKYNET knew about Connor because of his radio broadcasts and found out about Kyle Reese through Marcus Wright when Connor told him about how they were at war since before judgment day.... Remember they explain in the movie that SKYNET is connected to all it's machines and this obviously includes Wright as he also has a chip.

The resistance existed at the beginning of the film. Connor didn't start it.

[BlindMessiah]

Another plot hole with the sequels. Why is John Connor concerned with Kyle Reese? Terminator is on a time loop. John Connor starts the resistance, wins the war, Kyle Reese and the Terminators are sent back in time. Start over. However in T2, Sarah Connor broke the time loop. So why does Kyle Reese even matter? Even if he goes back in time, John Connor won't be born. The only way Connor can defeat SkyNet this time is to not only defeat them, but prevent them from discovering time travel.

[dlv]

BlindMessiah on Jun 14 2009, 01:44 AM, said:

Another plot hole with the sequels. Why is John Connor concerned with Kyle Reese? Terminator is on a time loop. John Connor starts the resistance, wins the war, Kyle Reese and the Terminators are sent back in time. Start over. However in T2, Sarah Connor broke the time loop. So why does Kyle Reese even matter? Even if he goes back in time, John Connor won't be born.

Huh??? Or are we TOO ahead of the storytellers and scriptwriters? Always keep in mind what's given us..., let's not get ahead of the game.
"Did IQ's just drop sharply while I was away?" -- Aliens

[BlindMessiah]

dlv on Jun 15 2009, 03:58 AM, said:

Huh??? Or are we TOO ahead of the storytellers and scriptwriters? Always keep in mind what's given us..., let's not get ahead of the game.
"Did IQ's just drop sharply while I was away?" -- Aliens

Kyle Reese doesn't matter. Think about it. In the Terminator mythos, everything was a time loop. In T2, Sarah Connor broke the time loop. If Kyle Reese goes back in time and has a child with Sarah Connor, it still won't be John Connor. She'd probably still name him John Connor, but it would be an entirely different person. His genetics would be different, his personality would be different, and his entire upbringing would be different. Kyle Reese ceased to be significant when Sarah Connor prevented the initial Judgement Day. And my IQ fairs fine thank you. I'm sorry if you aren't able to comprehend what I'm saying, but that doesn't fall on me.

[dlv]

Breaking the time loop??? Oh, I see, it's your make-believe movie. Unfortunately, it's the one that won't make it to the big screen.

BlindMessiah on Jun 16 2009, 01:34 AM, said:

Kyle Reese doesn't matter. Think about it. In the Terminator mythos, everything was a time loop. In T2, Sarah Connor broke the time loop. If Kyle Reese goes back in time and has a child with Sarah Connor, it still won't be John Connor. She'd probably still name him John Connor, but it would be an entirely different person. His genetics would be different, his personality would be different, and his entire upbringing would be different. Kyle Reese ceased to be significant when Sarah Connor prevented the initial Judgement Day. And my IQ fairs fine thank you. I'm sorry if you aren't able to comprehend what I'm saying, but that doesn't fall on me.

[expandmymind]

BlindMessiah on Jun 11 2009, 05:46 AM, said:

I thought Terminator and Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles were good, T2 was incredible, T3 was a joke, T4 was okay. There were a ton of plot holes.

first season of the TV show was mediocre but the second season was a bit better. i was liking the storyline and it's a shame it ended... ended well though.

BlindMessiah on Jun 11 2009, 05:46 AM, said:

Why didn't Connor start the resistance like he did originally?

i could be completely wrong here but wasn't he just prophesised to be the leader of the resistance? and also he mentions in the film that this isn't the future his mother told him about. is it possible other things could be different as a result? remember that he did hold off judgement day for a while after T2.

BlindMessiah on Jun 11 2009, 05:46 AM, said:

How did Skynet know about Kyle Reese and John Connor when they haven't done anything yet?

did they know about kyle reese? and again, if they could travel back in time then it's reasonable to assume that they could have sent a message back. granted though it's another pretty large plot hole.

BlindMessiah on Jun 11 2009, 05:46 AM, said:

Why is John Connor even important if he didn't start the resistance?

he is the one who is supposed to lead them to victory.



the film was below average in my rankings. unexpected storline but still pretty lame. we learned nothing about the actual resistance... it could have been a lot better.

something i didn't quite understand though and maybe someone could clear it up for me. what was the deal with the scene between sarah connor and the terminator to be? did that have any significance other than just being a coincidence?

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Kyle Reese doesn't matter. Think about it. In the Terminator mythos, everything was a time loop. In T2, Sarah Connor broke the time loop. If Kyle Reese goes back in time and has a child with Sarah Connor, it still won't be John Connor. She'd probably still name him John Connor, but it would be an entirely different person. His genetics would be different, his personality would be different, and his entire upbringing would be different. Kyle Reese ceased to be significant when Sarah Connor prevented the initial Judgement Day. And my IQ fairs fine thank you. I'm sorry if you aren't able to comprehend what I'm saying, but that doesn't fall on me.

i agree. as the timeline would have been changed then so would the creation of all technology - including time travel. while kyle reese may well have ended up sent back in time, it would definitely not have happened at the same time as before, therefore john connor as we know it wouldn't have existed.

interestingly though, who's to say that the john connor created in T1 was the same john connor that kyle resse knew from the future.... hmmm.

anyways this is frying my brain to think about. i hate it when time travel gets way too messy.


edit - just thinking. if he did manage to hold off judgement day then it kinda puts the whole franchise into a spin as the first film portrays time as a circle - he sends his own father back in time knowing that he will hook up with his mother.... a perfect cirlce, the way time intended. the second film kinda shoots that to pieces when they start changing the timeline... just a thought.

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dlv on Jun 16 2009, 09:45 PM, said:

Breaking the time loop??? Oh, I see, it's your make-believe movie. Unfortunately, it's the one that won't make it to the big screen.

It is in the films. Did you not watch T2: Judgement Day? Sarah Connor broke the time loop.

[BlindMessiah]

expandmymind on Jun 17 2009, 02:09 AM, said:

i could be completely wrong here but wasn't he just prophesised to be the leader of the resistance? and also he mentions in the film that this isn't the future his mother told him about. is it possible other things could be different as a result? remember that he did hold off judgement day for a while after T2.

No. Kyle Reese said that John Connor started the resistance.

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he is the one who is supposed to lead them to victory.

By starting the resistance.

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just thinking. if he did manage to hold off judgement day then it kinda puts the whole franchise into a spin as the first film portrays time as a circle - he sends his own father back in time knowing that he will hook up with his mother.... a perfect cirlce, the way time intended. the second film kinda shoots that to pieces when they start changing the timeline... just a thought.

At least someone gets it.

[expandmymind]

BlindMessiah on Jun 17 2009, 08:40 AM, said:

No. Kyle Reese said that John Connor started the resistance.

ahh. see my memory is a bit hazy on the first one as it has been years since i've seen it. in fact i think i'll watch that later today after i sleep.

BlindMessiah on Jun 17 2009, 08:40 AM, said:

By starting the resistance.

i've been thinking, at the end of T3 weren't john and his girl in some sort of bunker? could they have possibly started the resistance from there?

BlindMessiah on Jun 17 2009, 08:40 AM, said:

At least someone gets it.

trying to figure out time travel really does boggle the mind at times though.