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#1    KatyAD

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 02:53 AM

What are your thoughts on her?
Should we worship her and pray to her?
Do you think she visits the earth and heals people?

Some people say that the person that visits the earth is not the Virgin Mary, but the devil trying to steal away the focous of Jesus Christ.
What do you think?


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Posted 10 June 2009 - 03:43 AM

I believe that there is something to the sightings of Mother Mary, Fatima, etcetera. Whether it's really the blessed mother of Christ still stands to be proven.

I don't pray to Mother Mary, but I have spoken with her. I find her comforting.

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 03:56 AM

Not a virgin but a knocked up young lady out of wedlock and not by her arraigned marriage to an old man who had kids. Which is why those from Jesus' village called him the ' son of mary' ... instead of the 'son of joseph'... basically it's a put down .. calling him a bast**d. just like he was called crazy by his own as well as his family ...

I think the virgin birth was thought up later by scribes .


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Posted 10 June 2009 - 04:00 AM

I think there is nothing wrong to praying to her. Have you ever prayed to someone who has died and told them to watch over you? Its the same thing! Catholics do not worship her we just extremely respect the mother of Jesus Christ.

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 05:20 AM

I have no problem whatsoever with veneration and adoration of the Blessed Virgin. I have several Icons of her, actually. She is referred to as the Queen of Heaven often by Catholics. I would tend to agree. It is my opinion that she is what is often referred to as the archetype (Jung) of the Divine Feminine. God is spirit, what is reflected in matter is reflection of that spirit. Just as Christ is the fullfillment of the One God in the sense of God indwelling matter, completing all pagan forms of worship in that indwelling, I feel that Mary, in much the same way, is the fullfillment and completion of Goddess worship, which is the feminine aspect of the personality of God. For example, when brother Omnaka refers to 'mother' God, I take this to be, speaking for myself, Mary. I am not saying thatr she is God, but that she is spirit, that she is, again, the completion of the Divine Feminine aspect of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, which is limitless.

"O Mother of Perpetual Help,
  Grant that I may ever invoke your most powerful name,
   Which is the Safeguard of the living,
   And the Salvation of the dying"

-From a prayer on one of my icons of the Blessed Virgin.

Yes, I pray to Mary on occasion, she is to me a comforting extension of God, as Christ is an extension of God, with the fall you have a descended Adam, male, and Eve, female....fallen, corrupted.......Christ and Mary, then male, female, represent Ascencion in that same matter, perfection, the very counter of the fallen nature. She interceeds on our behalf. Just as one needs a father, one needs a mother. Should this be any different with God? At least as we see it here in the physical. In Heaven there is no duality, IMO, only spirit.

Lastly, I have no cause to doubt the Marian apparitions. I believe categorically that the ones the catholic church has approved of are indeed real, and are of God, not the devil, for much good has stemmed from them, even saving the life of the Pope. Further, when one looks at the records of these appearances, she points towards her Son, towards Christ...not herself. Just as Christ continues to act, so does the Mother.

Indeed, Hail the Holy Queen.

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 05:49 AM

I think she was & is just another ploy to get Pagans to fall in line with Christianty.

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 07:48 AM

Mary's mother was Anna, a prophetess in the Temple.  I think Mary was perhaps a Vestal Virgin or at least a virgin who was brought up in the Temple as a firstborn child dedicated to God.  And, it makes sense because she was of the king/priest tribe line.  The Vestal's were overseen/watched over by the rulers (Rome and other countries too).  And, the majority of the royals proclaimed themselves as Gods either while living or were after death.  It's probable that a Ruler (king/god) forced himself on the virgin or, it seems more likely to have been part of a religious ceremony as part of fertility rites because Joseph didn't hold it against her, and that says a lot.  Sure, his thoughts wavered about marriage, but marriage to a Temple Virgin was a high honor to most of society, especially the Romans.  And, the Jewish blood ran in her veins.  That would also explain why Jesus was referred to as the "Son of Mary,"  and the only begotten of the Father.  The Vestal or Temple Virgins had a lot of power back then, having a godly child from a religious ceremony was not considered a sin, on the contrary, it was a honor.  I also think that is why the Jews didn't accept Jesus as their savior messiah, because his blood line through his mother made him a Jew, but he couldn't claim a Jewish father's tribe, and therefore wasn't in line as a Jewish messiah contender.

This is what the Jewish Encyclopedia on line states:
The very form of his punishment would disprove those claims in Jewish eyes. No Messiah that Jews could recognize could suffer such a death; for "He that is hanged is accursed of God" (Deut. xxi. 23), "an insult to God" (Targum, Rashi).  

Of course, it wouldn't be considered polite to say they considered him a bast**d, they would need a legal method of renouncing him.  However, like an "All Powerful God", Jesus was open to all nationalities, both men and women, free or slave alike,  that is so not Jewish.  They choose or prefer to only marry within their tribes.

I also think that Mary may have been from an area where the Jewish blood line wasn't considered as pure as in Jerusalem.  But the line of Jewism is carried through the mother's blood, and Mary's family tribe line is listed in the New Testament.  So, marriage to a Jewish man was expected.

It took a lot of murder and warring to finally close all the Goddess Temples, and wasn't accomplished until around 400 CE.

Nomen sacrum means "sacred name" in Latin, and can be used to refer to traditions of abbreviated writing of several frequently occurring divine names or titles in early Greek language Holy Scripture.  

I think the name "Mary" was a divine name.  It is common even today to be name after ancestors, or religious persons.  I am.

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Posted 10 June 2009 - 11:52 PM

Lt and Norwood expressed it well.

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Posted 11 June 2009 - 03:16 AM

KatyAD on Jun 9 2009, 09:53 PM, said:

What are your thoughts on her?
Should we worship her and pray to her?
Do you think she visits the earth and heals people?

Some people say that the person that visits the earth is not the Virgin Mary, but the devil trying to steal away the focous of Jesus Christ.
What do you think?


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I believe she was a pious woman, very Religious and Spiritual.

I do not believe she [or any other creature] should be prayed to or worshiped, and I've found nothing in the Bible or Quran which would mandate something like that, so I guess that practice has come from Priestly or Saintly Visions.

I do not think she visits earth, for healing or any other reason.  I don't think those who have seen her are being tricked by the devil.  Maybe because of their faith, a healing agent is interpreted by their mind as The Virgin Mary, and some are just imagining things and some folks just lie.

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Posted 11 June 2009 - 07:04 AM

KatyAD on Jun 10 2009, 02:53 PM, said:

What are your thoughts on her?
Should we worship her and pray to her?
Do you think she visits the earth and heals people?

Some people say that the person that visits the earth is not the Virgin Mary, but the devil trying to steal away the focous of Jesus Christ.
What do you think?


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Posted 11 June 2009 - 11:20 AM

ambelamba on Jun 10 2009, 07:52 PM, said:

Lt and Norwood expressed it well.



Interestingly enough, even the Vatican was built directly on top of a primary pagan worship spot.  It's whole purpose was to absorb the pagan faiths in order to make them vanish.

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Posted 11 June 2009 - 11:37 PM

therion24 on Jun 10 2009, 05:00 AM, said:

I think there is nothing wrong to praying to her. Have you ever prayed to someone who has died and told them to watch over you? Its the same thing! Catholics do not worship her we just extremely respect the mother of Jesus Christ.


Well said....as a young catholic, we were not taught to worship her either like some god <---protestants like to claim so LOL but  deep down, they know that is so not true



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Posted 11 June 2009 - 11:53 PM

Beckys_Mom on Jun 11 2009, 07:37 PM, said:

Well said....as a young catholic, we were not taught to worship her either like some god <---protestants like to claim so LOL but  deep down, they know that is so not true


did you have to as a catholic growing up as I did , that May procession ? The crowning of the Virgin Mary ? lol.  not unlike this below ? lmao .

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 12:05 AM

Lt_Ripley on Jun 12 2009, 12:53 AM, said:

did you have to as a catholic growing up as I did , that May procession ? The crowning of the Virgin Mary ? lol.  not unlike this below ? lmao .

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LOL I attended St Marys JHS...and they had this huge statue of Our lady..............I got to see it almost every other day....the princible Mrs O'Neail..was tired of placing me to go stand in the corner...for misbehaving in assembley goofing around.........I was made to stand in the corner, facing the statue....and it got to the point I began to talk to it.....hey mary, its me again..hows it hanging LMAO laugh.gif  took my biro out and used to mark the days off one by one on her feet.........got in so much trouble for that too

But we never crowned her..............nahh not that I know of...........but I was talking to her nearly every day durring assembely....drawing on her feet...doodling who my friends wer and who I thinked they loved laugh.gif

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 01:13 AM

Although Catholics say they don't worship Mary, but...

As an ex-Catholic, I can say this. If it looks like, swims like, quacks like, and eats like a duck, it is a duck. Same thing with venerating Virgin Mary.

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