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[UM-Bot]

Great grandmother tasered

Click here to watch video - 03:44s

Do you think the Constable went too far?  Or was granny out of control?  

[greggK]

If the officer did not warn her that he was going to taser her, he could not have done it.  She threw the situation out of control.  She was being 'combative,' no doubt whatsoever.  Watch the video after she refuses to sign the paper and gets out of the truck and goes to the back.  There is no doubt that she broke the law by speeding but she refused to acknowledge that and when she asked to be taken to jail, she forfeited her rights to be a lawful citizen, period end of story.  She just did not realize that for an officer to take someone to jail, they have to be handcuffed and it does not matter who you are, you could be 72 or 10, it does not matter.
That was just a horrible move by that woman.  Watch the video!  When she stepped to the back of the truck and the officer warned her about something and said '...or I'll taser you,' she bowed up, put her hands on her hips, and jumped up in the face of that officer and yelled, 'You're gonna do what?' as the cars sped by not 3 feet away doing at least 55.  An officer cannot touch you unless you give your permission or are under arrest.  And the woman was inching closer and closer to the traffic!  She gave no thought about the fright that a driver would have if he were maneuvering on a congested 4 lane road doing around 55 and a perty ol lady just decides to dive out there in front of your car.
She knew exactly what she was doing; she knew she was being filmed and she knew she was putting on a show for all to see.  
The demon is there!

[randym23]

i am so sick of tasers.
sorry, but police officers are human beings and tasers just offer
one more opportunity for the wrong person to do the wrong thing,
except with tasers we pretend no harm is done but they are more dangerous
than anyone thinks. Therefore people use them more freely and excuse those
that abuse the use of them.
they ARE NOT to be used upon the elderly--heart attack may result!
they ARE NOT to be used against children --and yes they have by school officials on
children AS YOUNG AS 6 YEARS OLD!


they also leave less markings (if any!) and therefore less evidence of abuse!

ENOUGH ALREADY. STOP BEING LAZY AND DO YOUR JOB!
and for the record, I have a family full of police officers--so I know how corrupt
and untrustworthy they can be from all the stories they brought home about
their "fellow officers" so don't give me that crap about "if they weren't doing anything
wrong the officer wouldn't have tasered them"
Police are HUMAN therefore they do everything every other human does--including evil.

[blacllkllsi]

She deserved every volt that went through her body. The officer told her numerous time he was going to taser her if she did not comply. She was trying to use her age to her advantage. It was obvious when she said "Oh your going to push a 72 year old lady????" Yep, and I got a taser for you too!

[WoIverine]

Lame, she probably shouldn't have been driving anyway.

[Eternal Light]

The officer did indeed warn her many times to step back. She was combative, but, it did seem to me that she was actually on the ground when she was tasered. No?

She should definitely have been cited for speeding, and resisting an officer in the course of his duties. I mean, originally she wasn't under arrest, to my understanding; he apparently, just wanted to take her details.

Of course I don't think for one second that 72 year olds should be tasered, ever. But, what other alternatives are there to officers when these OAP's become beligerant?

[supervike]

I would assume there are plenty of alternatives.

Being patient with her until she calmed down for starters.

He had all the power he needed.  He could have called for backup.  There was never a point where HIS safety was in jeopardy.

Yes, she was being nasty.  But she was also upset.  Anyone could have seen that.  All he did was exacerbate her aggrivation by getting angry.

What would he have done if he didn't have a taser? Shoot her?

I believe she was completely wrong in acting the way she did, but does it give him the right to inflict severe pain upon her?  

He did, because he can.  And, the sick part of it is, his superiors will 'back him up'.

Which part of Protect and Serve does that fall under?

Edited by supervike, 10 June 2009 - 06:35 PM.

[Eternal Light]

supervike on Jun 10 2009, 07:34 PM, said:

I would assume there are plenty of alternatives.

Being patient with her until she calmed down for starters.

He had all the power he needed.  He could have called for backup.  There was never a point where HIS safety was in jeopardy.

Yes, she was being nasty.  But she was also upset.  Anyone could have seen that.  All he did was exacerbate her aggrivation by getting angry.

What would he have done if he didn't have a taser? Shoot her?

I believe she was completely wrong in acting the way she did, but does it give him the right to inflict severe pain upon her?  

He did, because he can.  And, the sick part of it is, his superiors will 'back him up'.

Which part of Protect and Serve does that fall under?

Of course you are right, in everything you say... I do think that she was actually on the ground before he tasered her, which to me was totally out of order. And you're correct, he will be backed up by his superiors, no question.

As I was watching it, the video, and, remembering having seen officers having been 'taken out' by out of control cars in the Cop programs, I was wondering why he just didn't pick her up and place her down again in a safer area. I mean, he was a good deal larger than her, I'm sure he could have done so.

[greggK]

Eternal Light on Jun 10 2009, 11:04 AM, said:

The officer did indeed warn her many times to step back. She was combative, but, it did seem to me that she was actually on the ground when she was tasered. No?

She should definitely have been cited for speeding, and resisting an officer in the course of his duties. I mean, originally she wasn't under arrest, to my understanding; he apparently, just wanted to take her details.

Of course I don't think for one second that 72 year olds should be tasered, ever. But, what other alternatives are there to officers when these OAP's become beligerant?

Look where she was!  The officer should be sent back to school and learn how to communicate peacefully.  Was she drunk or on medication or was she losing control over something that she obviously had lost.  The officer did not know who was in that vehicle that was going 60 in a 45.  The registered plate could have been to the lady's son or something and he didn't have any idea of what he was walking into and when the lady refused to sign the paper, was it because the officer said, 'If you don't sign it, I'll taser you?'  
The mistake was hers all along from the point she  opened her mouth, but I understand how 'politically correct' you have to be nowadays, and she very heartily expressed that she was a 72 year old woman.  Now what is going to happen because that was shown for all to see?  Where is the next little flare-up that is gonna take place?  You know, there was 3 people shot at the Holocaust Memorial today in Washington, D.C.  That has been a pretty related area with Texas, right?  Now, we'll see how large this flame is.

It is now not a question of right or wrong.  What's done is done.

[Eternal Light]

greggK on Jun 10 2009, 08:00 PM, said:

Look where she was!  The officer should be sent back to school and learn how to communicate peacefully.  Was she drunk or on medication or was she losing control over something that she obviously had lost.  The officer did not know who was in that vehicle that was going 60 in a 45.  The registered plate could have been to the lady's son or something and he didn't have any idea of what he was walking into and when the lady refused to sign the paper, was it because the officer said, 'If you don't sign it, I'll taser you?'  
The mistake was hers all along from the point she  opened her mouth, but I understand how 'politically correct' you have to be nowadays, and she very heartily expressed that she was a 72 year old woman.  Now what is going to happen because that was shown for all to see?  Where is the next little flare-up that is gonna take place?  You know, there was 3 people shot at the Holocaust Memorial today in Washington, D.C.  That has been a pretty related area with Texas, right?  Now, we'll see how large this flame is.

It is now not a question of right or wrong.  What's done is done.

Gosh, you're all over the place here... which is it?  Either the officer should be sent back to school to learn how to communicate, or the Lady in question was wrong all along? And, where and how did the washington Holocaust Memorial and Texas come into it?

[MirrorImage]

Granny should watch her bad temper. Period.
The officer warned her to behave, she didnt. When it comes to arrest, dont argue with the cops, be polite, let them cuff you, then hire a lawyer. You argue with them, its resisting arrest, you go along and be polite and quiet, you can get them to testify to that fact in court.
I know for a fact going along and letting them do what they feel they need to works out a lot better than being a pain in their butts. Been there, done that, and because I was polite, and didnt resist in anyway, they didnt even cuff me when they arrested me, AND the cop testifed to the fact I was calm, cool and collected and it didnt appear that I had infact been in the altercation I was accused of.

[Enigmatic Ghost]

Ah Man! Don’t tell me this is another Bad Sport Cop Plays Bingo Incident! Cops slow to respond and Granny jumps up to call the Game and Bad Sport Cop draws in a furious Rage and Zap Granny to a twitching drooling invalid, that’s abuse of Authority and just Down Right Cruel even if the Cop was off Duty. And The Cops Lucky it wasn't My Grandmother because she would have came back strong swinging one mean broiler Chicken!

Pavot

Edited by Pavot, 10 June 2009 - 07:32 PM.

[aquatus1]

If the cop had manhandled her, people would scream abuse.  If he had called for back-up, people would scream intimidation.  If she had gotten hit by a looky-loo, it would have been the cops fault too.  Cops can't win.

But hey, instead of being out there patrolling the streets, lets get two officers (he needs backup, right?) and have then stand there quietly while grandma rages 3 feet away from traffic (my grandma, when she got on a roll, could go on for about an hour and a half).  Let's not let them let someone who broke the law get away, but don't touch her or taze her or shoot her (you know...use the power of persuasion to get her to put the handcuffs on).

Sometimes it really tweaks me how people who have never walked the beat have so much to say about how it should be done.

[greggK]

Eternal Light on Jun 10 2009, 02:10 PM, said:

Gosh, you're all over the place here... which is it?  Either the officer should be sent back to school to learn how to communicate, or the Lady in question was wrong all along? And, where and how did the washington Holocaust Memorial and Texas come into it?

This is what happens :

WASHINGTON (AP) AP Source: Law enforcement investigating elderly white-extremist's link to Holocaust shooting.

Elderly white-extremist.  Probably the woman's husband did that because he was in a rage because they tasered his wife.

And the President's office is in Washington, D.C. and everybody is still mad at Goeorge III and George II and George the I and they live in Texas.  

It's just a big Matrix-involved thing.

Watching that video a couple of more times, I did notice the cop needs to slow down on the doughnuts.
Going over it again in my mind, the policeman had the lady's hand and told her to put her hands behind her back and what did she do?
The whole incident started when the policeman said to her after she refused to sign the paper, 'If you do not sign the paper, I'll have to take you to jail.'
And she said, 'Take me to jail, I'm a 72 year old woman!'
Cops don't play games.  He said, 'OK, (He opened the door and said) step to the back.'
I don't know but it looked like it was calming down when the police officer said to her, 'All you got to do is sign the paper.'  And she swung around and almost fell down and screamed, 'OK, give me the ****in paper!'
Now, what would you start thinking about this 72 year old woman?

Now, this incident will cause so much and you could hear in that policeman's voice after the first taser and she fell and started whimpering, he had to sort of collect himself and get tougher.

Edited by greggK, 10 June 2009 - 08:44 PM.

[Eternal Light]

greggK on Jun 10 2009, 09:02 PM, said:

This is what happens :

WASHINGTON (AP) AP Source: Law enforcement investigating elderly white-extremist's link to Holocaust shooting.

Elderly white-extremist.  Probably the woman's husband did that because he was in a rage because they tasered his wife.

And the President's office is in Washington, D.C. and everybody is still mad at Goeorge III and George II and George the I.  

It's just a big Matrix-involved thing.

Watching that video a couple of more times, I did notice the cop needs to slow down on the doughnuts.

er...    someone?  ...... anyone?