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#136    MeteoricErod

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 12:20 PM

badeskov on Jul 21 2009, 07:08 AM, said:

And why exactly do you think that the Government has any say in this? Or how much do you think NASA has to say? To reiterate, most of the analysis is done outside of NASA, by independent researchers at various independent research institutions. They have no incentive to keep it secret and under such type grants there is typically no way to force them to do so.  

There still seems to be this illusion that NASA and/or the Government still has all-reaching control. Nothing could be farther from the truth.



Or maybe there simply is nobody visiting us and whoever is out there is so far away that we cannot detect them with the means we currently have available.

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You do make some very good points. Like I said in my original post...maybe extraterrestrial life is just too primitive at this point and does not have the means to travel across the cosmos to visit us. This ET might simply just be microbes on some far off planet or maybe there is a civilization out there but they aren't as advanced as we assumed them to be. They might only have the technology to travel within they're solar system. The possibilities are endless...

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 12:30 PM

MeteoricErod on Jul 21 2009, 04:20 AM, said:

You do make some very good points. Like I said in my original post...maybe extraterrestrial life is just too primitive at this point and does not have the means to travel across the cosmos to visit us. This ET might simply just be microbes on some far off planet or maybe there is a civilization out there but they aren't as advanced as we assumed them to be. They might only have the technology to travel within they're solar system. The possibilities are endless...


There are a lot of possibilities. As you also mentioned, they could be so advanced that they don't emit radio waves of any significance that we can detect and if they indeed passed by Earth, maybe we were of no interest to them so they moved on. Who knows? wink2.gif

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 12:48 PM

I still think the answer to the question  "Where is everybody?" lies in the distance factor. What if the closest advanced life in our galaxy happens to be over on the other side? Let's say they are only 30,000 light years from us (the farthest stars in the milky way are apx. 95,000 LY from us). This means that it takes the light emitted from that particular star 30,000 years to visually reach us. And light is the fastest moving thing there is...apx 300,000 Kilometers per second! The distances are literally mind boggling. I highly suspect that ET is simply too far away from us.

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 12:56 PM

Lilly on Jul 21 2009, 04:48 AM, said:

I still think the answer to the question  "Where is everybody?" lies in the distance factor. What if the closest advanced life in our galaxy happens to be over on the other side? Let's say they are only 30,000 light years from us (the farthest stars in the milky way are apx. 95,000 LY from us). This means that it takes the light emitted from that particular star 30,000 years to visually reach us. And light is the fastest moving thing there is...apx 300,000 Kilometers per second! The distances are literally mind boggling. I highly suspect that ET is simply too far away from us.


Lilly, while the options are endless, I would agree with you. It would be my suspicion that ET is simply too far away to both be detected and to "drop by" to visit.

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Posted 21 July 2009 - 01:09 PM

Lilly on Jul 21 2009, 07:48 AM, said:

I still think the answer to the question  "Where is everybody?" lies in the distance factor. What if the closest advanced life in our galaxy happens to be over on the other side? Let's say they are only 30,000 light years from us (the farthest stars in the milky way are apx. 95,000 LY from us). This means that it takes the light emitted from that particular star 30,000 years to visually reach us. And light is the fastest moving thing there is...apx 300,000 Kilometers per second! The distances are literally mind boggling. I highly suspect that ET is simply too far away from us.

Agreed!! and that's to say that they're even in our galaxy!! The numbers truly become mind boggling once you factor in the distances of other galaxies...especially the ones that aren't in our neck of the woods.

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 02:17 AM

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i found this article to be very interesting..... though a bit off-topic....... i hope you enjoy it.....

Gaia's evil twin: Is life its own worst enemy?

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Thanks for the link !

This author's own humble attempts to argue for an "Evolving Gaia" hypothesis:

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Posted 08 August 2009 - 02:49 AM

I think it's insanely arrogant to assume that human beings are anywhere other than median.   Our entire civilization has taken place within the tiniest fraction of the universe's life and you think we're somehow out in front?  Just because we don't know about them?  Insane.

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 10:36 AM

View PostGodsnmbr1, on 08 August 2009 - 02:49 AM, said:

I think it's insanely arrogant to assume that human beings are anywhere other than median.   Our entire civilization has taken place within the tiniest fraction of the universe's life and you think we're somehow out in front?  Just because we don't know about them?  Insane.

You could construe the Cosmological Principal as essentially saying, "I'm a mediocre kind of creature, on a mediocre world, orbiting a mediocre sort of star, in a common kind of galaxy, in a typical type of place in the Universe."

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In 1584 AD, Giordiano Burno, a Dominican monk, published On the Infinite universe and worlds. Bruno had, a decade earlier, fled from his Naples monastery, and enjoyed a peripatetic European existence. But in 1592 AD, he imprudently returned to Italy -- lured, it is thought, by the hope of a professorship at Padua which instead went to the young Galileo -- and fell into the clutches of the Inquisition. He was imprisoned in Rome for his "obstinate & pertinacious heresies". In February 1600 AD, he was burned at the stake in the Campo de Fiori, Rome, where he is now commemorated by a fine Bronze statue [trophy?].

Among Bruno's conjectures was the following: "There are countless constellations, suns, and planets; we see only the suns b/c they give light; the planets remain invisible, for they are small & dark. There are also numberless Earths circling around their suns, no worse and no less this globe of ours". In the last years of the 20th century, his prescient belief was vindicated -- there are, assuredly, planetary systems around many other stars.

Bruno had a further conviction: "No reasonable mind can assume that heavenly bodies, which may be far more magnificent than our, would not bear upon them creatures similar, or even superior, to those upon our human Earth".

Martin Rees. Our Cosmic Habitat, pp. 19-20.


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Posted 15 January 2010 - 04:00 PM

We have found life. But, as always, we normal people are kept in the dark.


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Posted 15 January 2010 - 04:12 PM

View PostD1CKY D1AMOND, on 11 June 2009 - 08:15 PM, said:

<!--quoteo(post=2927310:date=Jun 11 2009, 09:39 AM:name=MeteoricErod)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MeteoricErod @ Jun 11 2009, 09:39 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2927310"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I do believe that there is life on other planets. I refuse to believe that out of the billions of planets in the universe...we would be the only one to have life on it.

However, maybe the reason we havent found SPACE FARRING civilizations NEAR US is because there are none. I'm sure there's life elsewhere in the universe
but maybe they're not as advanced as we would think. They could be at the same level of intelligence as us humans or maybe they may be even more
primitive such as our early prehistoric ancestors.

Maybe life on other planets isn't a highly cultured civilization but maybe it's just "animals" with the intelligence of an ordinary dog which obviously don't have the intelligence to even leave their own atmosphere let alone travel great distances across the emptiness of space to locate other civilizations.
We wouldn't be able to detect life on a planet that has life with this level of intelligence unless we have super powerful telescopes that can pear through
the atmosphere and zoom in close enough to the surface that we can view such creatures...but it's highly unlikely.

I bet there are many more planets with "animalistic life" in the universe than there are space farring technological civilizations.
Of course, I'm sure there are highly intelligent beings somewhere in the cosmos but they sure aren't anywhere near us.

I dont know if I made any sense. I'm sure there are many other possible reasons as to why we havent made contact yet but I just
had this idea and thought I would share it with everyone.

Do you guys have any personal beliefs as to why we havent made contact yet????

Oh, and I'm new to the site so sorry if I messed up on something. Nice to meet you guys!!!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

I have come to the belief that there are no such things as space faring super advanced civilizations and instead put forward that the only life forms capable of not only unlocking FTL but surviving deep space travel are non biological.


I have to agree with this completely, I believe that space travel would be impossible for any biological being, but that said, you can not rule out the mechanical.  It could be possible for an advanced Artifical Intelligence to make its way across the universe, stopping to mine the correct materials for reproduction, from different planets, meteors or comets.  Unless of course "they" can fold space, or are interdimensional beings, that can slide.

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 04:20 PM

View PostScorpion777, on 15 January 2010 - 04:00 PM, said:

We have found life. But, as always, we normal people are kept in the dark.

But you happen to know The Truth, right?

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 04:34 PM

View PostEmma_Acid, on 15 January 2010 - 04:20 PM, said:

But you happen to know The Truth, right?
Im not alone in this, so it is not me. I dont own the Universe, neither all knowledge, but just think about it. We are still discovering new species everyday here on Earth, the Universe is vast, it would be silly to think that we are the only planet with life.

And Im not even thinking about the paranormal activies we've encounter so many times plus Governments hidding secrets.

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 04:56 PM

View PostScorpion777, on 15 January 2010 - 04:34 PM, said:

Im not alone in this, so it is not me. I dont own the Universe, neither all knowledge, but just think about it. We are still discovering new species everyday here on Earth, the Universe is vast, it would be silly to think that we are the only planet with life.

So it is you opinion. Make no mistake, I share you opinion. However, an opinion is still all that it is and has to be recognized as such.

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And Im not even thinking about the paranormal activies we've encounter so many times plus Governments hidding secrets.

And which hidden secrets might that be as pertaining to this topic?

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 05:09 PM

I too Love the writeings of Giordiano Burno We cannot be all there is,That indeed would be a Great waist of Space.
As for Little old E.T and His FTL ships who really knows ?
Its good enough to Know that we are trying to Explore our Universe! :rolleyes:

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Posted 16 January 2010 - 08:28 AM

View Postbadeskov, on 21 July 2009 - 12:56 PM, said:

Lilly, while the options are endless, I would agree with you. It would be my suspicion that ET is simply too far away to both be detected and to "drop by" to visit.

Cheers,
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Or they could be pretty damn close to us but have no means to travel outside of their given solar system. Just a thought.





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