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#61    MeteoricErod

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 08:24 PM

atom286 on Jun 13 2009, 09:19 PM, said:

Basically a wormhole has an entrance, a tunnel section and then an exit.

What sicentists propose is creating a wormhole and then quickly cutting the tunnel section off from its entrance and exit in effect leaving a piece of universe seperated from ours. This means that then two universe would exist and quantum fluctuations in the new one would quickly bring into being particles and energy.

CERN is powerful enough to do this experiment on a microsopic scale.

Hmm...interesting....i've never heard of this before.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 08:26 PM

MeteoricErod on Jun 13 2009, 09:24 PM, said:

Hmm...interesting....i've never heard of this before.


Do a search in New Scientist for Bubble Universes.



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Posted 13 June 2009 - 08:45 PM

atom286 on Jun 13 2009, 08:26 PM, said:

Do a search in New Scientist for Bubble Universes.

Ok...cool.

Anyone else got any theories or ideas???  grin2.gif

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 09:53 PM

I wish, but the theory that I proposed is probably the most logical and elaborated theory I've ever really come up with in-terms of life on other planets and the Big Bang.


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Posted 13 June 2009 - 10:03 PM

Alienated Being on Jun 13 2009, 10:53 PM, said:

I wish, but the theory that I proposed is probably the most logical and elaborated theory I've ever really come up with in-terms of life on other planets and the Big Bang.

I honestly really do agree with you Alienated Being.

The other "Bubble Universe" theory seems too far fetched....

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 10:11 PM

MeteoricErod on Jun 13 2009, 07:03 PM, said:

I honestly really do agree with you Alienated Being.

The other "Bubble Universe" theory seems too far fetched....

I am glad that you do. thumbsup.gif


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Posted 13 June 2009 - 10:13 PM

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 10:15 PM

mcrom901 on Jun 13 2009, 07:13 PM, said:


I respect this guy's idea, BUT... he's still a crackpot.


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Posted 13 June 2009 - 10:27 PM

mcrom901 on Jun 13 2009, 11:13 PM, said:


I've seen this before. I always wondered how the came up with this "criteria". Have we really met so many civilizations that we can actually classify and put their evolution in stages?? The human race may follow these "3 Types of Civilizations" stages but that doesn't mean other civilizations will.

I've remember him saying something about Dyson Spheres. What if an alien civilization doesnt need or want to build a huge sphere around it's star?? What if they find another way to harvest energy??? I think these physicists imagine that alien civilizations will be like us. Just because we would build a Dyson Sphere (if we could) doesn't mean other races would.

I like the idea and I guess it does give us some sort of foundation on our search for E.T. but classifying alien civilizations by our own standards seems quite ignornant. I dont know...just my thoughts on the matter.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 10:32 PM

MeteoricErod on Jun 13 2009, 02:27 PM, said:

I've remember him saying something about Dyson Spheres. What if an alien civilization doesnt need or want to build a huge sphere around it's star?? What if they find another way to harvest energy??? I think these physicists imagine that alien civilizations will be like us. Just because we would build a Dyson Sphere (if we could) doesn't mean other races would.

I like the idea and I guess it does give us some sort of foundation on our search for E.T. but classifying alien civilizations by our own standards seems quite ignornant. I dont know...just my thoughts on the matter.


I think that is exactly the point. I don't think scientists in this field holds any illusions whatsoever that ET will be anything close to us and follow the same patterns as we do. However, on the other hand we have preciously few tools in our arsenal in the search for ET, so I guess we need to pursue any idea that seems remotely possible.

So I think I agree with you original.gif

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 10:58 PM

badeskov on Jun 13 2009, 11:32 PM, said:

I think that is exactly the point. I don't think scientists in this field holds any illusions whatsoever that ET will be anything close to us and follow the same patterns as we do. However, on the other hand we have preciously few tools in our arsenal in the search for ET, so I guess we need to pursue any idea that seems remotely possible.

So I think I agree with you original.gif

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Thanx!!! thumbsup.gif

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 11:01 PM

MeteoricErod on Jun 13 2009, 02:58 PM, said:

Thanx!!! thumbsup.gif


My pleasure thumbsup.gif

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 11:04 PM

Wouldn't it make more sense to assume that human beings are nowhere near the top of the evolutionary ladder?  Then the question goes from 'why haven't we found them' to 'why have they stopped us from finding them'.  Much more logical answers down that path.

Remember, we are all just acting out a grand old game here, where we agree to forget who we really are, that in the remembering, that we may find each other again, and know that we are One. That All of Life, is One.

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 11:09 PM

Godsnmbr1 on Jun 13 2009, 03:04 PM, said:

Wouldn't it make more sense to assume that human beings are nowhere near the top of the evolutionary ladder?  Then the question goes from 'why haven't we found them' to 'why have they stopped us from finding them'.  Much more logical answers down that path.


Well, I don't think we can even form that question. We have no idea what is out there or if anything is out there at all (although I firmly believe there is). We have to do what we can do the best way we can do it and that is basically grasping at straws that look sustainable in our search and in the meantime learn as much as we can about the observable Universe.  

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 11:10 PM

badeskov on Jun 13 2009, 08:09 PM, said:

Well, I don't think we can even form that question. We have no idea what is out there or if anything is out there at all (although I firmly believe there is). We have to do what we can do the best way we can do it and that is basically grasping at straws that look sustainable in or search and in the meantime learn as much as we can about the observable Universe.  

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I agree... it's only logical to assume that there is other intelligent life out there. If we didn't, then that would just make us look arrogant.





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