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#76    Widdekind

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 01:51 PM

This "Predator Hypothesis" is predicated upon a purported capacity of consciousness sensing.

But, if it's possible to sense the mental states of sentient species, from the other side of space, then sensing the same should surely be possible for humans, too.  Thus, the (human) "RV community" could be told to try to sense these mental states, of said sentient species, assuming some survived The Predator's telepathic attacks.  But what should the aspire to sense ?

This hypothesis assumes that the sentient species humans "should" be seeing (a la Fermi's Paradox) have already been successfully sabotaged (which is why they aren't already here).  So, the search should seek some such once-sentient species, which was sufficiently smart to trip the trigger of The Predator, and whose civilization was successfully sabotaged (Life After People, Aftermath: Population Zero), but who survived the same in some reduced degree (Mad Max, Terminator) — and which was "relegated to the automated psychotronics stations" (speaking solely loosely, in some stream-of-consciousness sense).

Such once-sentient species would have been successfully sabotaged, in the past, yet at present be pacified & pose no further risk to The Predator.  Thus, "the fight would have been beaten out of them".  Drawing, then, a quick comparison between (say) Chimpanzees & Bonobos, searchers should seek to sense "immature & childish but happy" (having been hamstrung, and retarded, back into a less developed level (hence, "childish, immature") whilst no longer attempting to 'push the envelope' in opposition to the imposition of The Predator's "glass ceiling" (hence, "happy")).  Something in some sense like a Bonzai Tree, having been pruned back so many times, that it no longer tries to grow.  

In particular, anger & frustration should not be sought, since anger & frustration only arise when The Predator's "glass ceiling" is less than the sentient species' present potential, so that said sentient species rails in resistance.  But, assuming that this "railing in resistance" phase is fairly brief — being but ~6 kyr in humans (dawn of human civilization to Global Warming climatic collapse), before the fight is finally beaten out of them, then all those "railings of resistance" would be but long-faded memories, at the present period.  The only relic remnant of that population permitted to persist, would be those whose temperments were totally tamed.  So, said search should seek to sense "happiness in slavery [sic]" or "immature & childish but happy", something loosely along those lines.  According to the afore-cited Chimpanzees & Bonobos study, these are associated w/ overly friendly gregariousness to the degree of gullibility, so some sort of "gullible gregariousness" could conceivably reveal the ravages of The Predator.  But, anger & aggression should surely be absent*.

* We're presuming that The Predator "possesses", perhaps Telepathically, the targeted sentient species (or, conceivably, a quorum of the same, sufficient for sabotaging the species).  But, by an analogy & comparison to cases of individual "demonic possession", perhaps a "possessed" species, when sensed, would evidence only the The Predator.  To wit, "when a person is possessed, is it their mind, or the Possessor, whose consciousness is sensed ?"  Is it, then, the same for the species ??



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Posted 01 February 2010 - 02:38 PM

It isn't a hypothesis.

It is you just making things up, it is not remotely the same as a hypothesis. This is fiction just like Mad Max and Terminator ;)

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 01:22 PM

This Predator Hypothesis presumes some sort of "Telepathic Trigger", which was tripped by this sentient species at some point in the past.  I have suggested, that the wielding of weapons — specifically simple sticks & stones — by primitive pre-human primates, as that trigger which was tripped.

Now, if it actually is possible, for The Predator, to sense the kind of consciousness associated w/ "weapon wielding", of simple sticks & stones, by primitive primates, from across the Cosmos, then it ought to be possible for human empaths to emulate the same said, and sense the use of simple sticks & stones, by Chimpanzees, upon this particular planet, it being "our own backyard".  Please ponder, that the book The Complete Idiot's Guide to Pet Psychic Communication, purports the possibility of human-to-nonhuman types of Telepathy.

Thus, this Predator Hypothesis predicts that the (human) "RV Community" should somehow be able to telepathically detect the use of simple sticks & stones, as wielded weapons, by Chimpanzees (in Africa, and/or in captivity).  Conversely, if even the (human) "RV Community" resoundingly rejects the possibility of that proposition, then that would mitigate against this Predator Hypothesis.

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Posted 02 February 2010 - 07:52 PM

View PostWiddekind, on 02 February 2010 - 01:22 PM, said:

This Predator Hypothesis presumes some sort of "Telepathic Trigger", which was tripped by this sentient species at some point in the past.  I have suggested, that the wielding of weapons — specifically simple sticks & stones — by primitive pre-human primates, as that trigger which was tripped.

Now, if it actually is possible, for The Predator, to sense the kind of consciousness associated w/ "weapon wielding", of simple sticks & stones, by primitive primates, from across the Cosmos, then it ought to be possible for human empaths to emulate the same said, and sense the use of simple sticks & stones, by Chimpanzees, upon this particular planet, it being "our own backyard".  Please ponder, that the book The Complete Idiot's Guide to Pet Psychic Communication, purports the possibility of human-to-nonhuman types of Telepathy.

Thus, this Predator Hypothesis predicts that the (human) "RV Community" should somehow be able to telepathically detect the use of simple sticks & stones, as wielded weapons, by Chimpanzees (in Africa, and/or in captivity).  Conversely, if even the (human) "RV Community" resoundingly rejects the possibility of that proposition, then that would mitigate against this Predator Hypothesis.
If you are presuming, it is not a hypothesis (it is unscientific anyway so hypothesis is incorrect, the term is idea) and you have still failed to address the associated energy output issues in any realistic manner.
There are many barriers you have no at all addressed out side of the 400000000kcal a day diet to give this any sort of realism.
Evidence for psychics you may want to find better sources. Using "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Pet Psychic Communication" is akin to using the "My Little Pony Book of Talking Horses" as evidence or even using "Mr Ed" as evidence, it has not value. Especially as the claim is baseless and relies on peoples lack of understanding of animal communication.
Empaths is a product of science fiction. Anyone is not either a sociopath or a psychopath has empathy, it is just the ability to understand the emotional state of others.
The only signal given off by out brains barely (brain waves) barely pass our skull, which is a fantastic insulator.
Making stuff as you go along doesn't make a presentable and viable idea.


Sorry but you are stuck in a story book pretending it has any real world meaning or value and your pseudo-scientific approach is like all pseudo-science, ignorant and abusive of science.

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 03:25 PM

Further Suggestions & Predictions [ROUGH DRAFT]

According to the docu-drama 'Not without My Daughter' (VHS), about the Betty Mahmoody story of the mid 1980s AD, Islamic schools in Iran teach that "Ever since the death of Adam, God has always provided an Imam [as spiritual leader] to guide the people" [close paraphrase].  Now, the "death of Adam" is traditionally dated to the 4th millennium BC (cf. Creation began about 4000 BC).  This coincides completely w/ the dawn of human Civilization, in the Middle East.  Thus, assuming the accuracy of this docu-drama on this particular point, of Islamic belief, then, ever since they first formed the first Civilization upon this particular planet, man in the Middle East has sensed some sort of Super-Natural Presence, persistently, for the past 6000 years.  This is completely consistent w/ the claims of the Predator Hypothesis, purporting that a Predator, by advanced means, has managed to manifest powerful opposition to human civilization, since its inception.

Furthermore, if what "trips the trigger" of The Predator is the wielding of weapons, then perhaps that Predator chooses to interact differently, w/ those who have wielded weapons (e.g. soldiers) vs. those who have never done so (e.g. pacificists).  This would thusly predict, that well-known anti-war activists — like Cindy Sheehan, Senators Maria Cantwell & Patty Murray, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi — would perceive The Divine differently from war veterans.  Indeed, in-so-far as "god haunts this world" (as per PPs), perhaps the PTSD and other psychological problems purportedly experienced by Vietnam & Iraq war veterans, who may be "haunted" by their war experiences, represents further Telepathic Attacks, by The Predator, against humans wielding weapons.

Finally, "pet Psychic" phenomena purportedly involve (1) mutual awareness, between human & non-human; (2) mutual rapport, between the said same; (3) Telepathic communication between human & non-human partners when they're "on the same wavelength".  However, unlike alleged "pet Psychic" communication, between a human and a dog (say), where both parties use standard Sensory Perception (SP) to become aware of the other, this hypothesis purports that The Predator can, and has, used Extra-Sensory Perception (ESP) to both (A) become aware of humans & human weapon wielders; (B.) 'manifest' & 'reveal' itself to man, to make mankind aware of The Predator (c.f. above, Imams manifesting the Spiritual Presence of "god").  Assuming such ultra-long-range ESP powers could construct mutual awareness, between humans & the predatory Super-Species, then human-to-nonhuman Telepathy could proceed along the lines commonly conceived.  Indeed, if The Predator Super-Species could consciously detect (primitive proto-)human weapon wielding, then surely The Predator could also detect other (primitive proto-)human thoughts as well.  Thus, after (primitive proto-)humans tripped the telepathic trigger, w/ wielding weapons, there could conceivably have been some sort of "passive investigative phase", wherein The Predator Super-Species simply observed those (primitive proto-)humans (via ESP), before beginning to manifest itself, as a supra-human presence, to make (primitive proto-)humans aware of it.  Indeed, in telepathy, when person A is aware of person B, A can cue into B's state of mind; and, when B is aware of A, then B can cue into A's state of mind.  Thus, in the "passive investigative" phase, The Predator would have been in a "read only" mode, but by manifesting & making itself known amongst men, The Predator could have begun imposing its presence into the minds of men ("write mode"), and, thereby, beginning to alter the course of human history.  (Indeed, "manifesting" means imposing its presence into the minds of men, since its the act that makes those men aware of said Super-Species in the first place.)

Note that, in any "passive investigative phase", The Predator's only source of information, from this particular planet, would come through the consciousnesses of the (primitive proto-)humans observed.  Thus, once aware of the first (primitive proto-)human weapon wielder, then through that animal's mind, The Predator could quickly become apprised of the rest of that primate's particular clan... and, then, through clan-to-clan encounters, primates of other groups.  Thus, fairly swiftly, The Predator could quickly come to learn about the whole species in question, as well as its world & environments.  So, any sort of "bewitchery" as it were, would seem to spread person-to-person, like a kind of contagion, b/c it would actually be from consciousness to consciousness.

Edited by Widdekind, 03 February 2010 - 03:31 PM.

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Posted 03 February 2010 - 03:29 PM

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Posted 04 February 2010 - 12:21 AM

still a science fiction story then.

And the Bible as evidence? Wanna use Harry Potter next using that level of pseudo-science. Ignorance is a very dangerous thing, and you are merely spreading it by abusing science.

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Posted 04 February 2010 - 04:16 AM

I, regrettably am new to this site, however i find your post both intelligent and knowledgeable..so I was wondering if you knew information about astral projecting both on the scientific prospective and if at all the risks involved....i am gathering information about this topic because it intrigues me so...
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Posted 04 February 2010 - 10:53 AM

View Postthirst for knowledge 82, on 04 February 2010 - 04:16 AM, said:

I, regrettably am new to this site, however i find your post both intelligent and knowledgeable..so I was wondering if you knew information about astral projecting both on the scientific prospective and if at all the risks involved....i am gathering information about this topic because it intrigues me so...
thank you
Scientifically it is considered completely falsified. No results were ever achieved with out breakdowns in experimental control or with out attempted fraud (both of which have been destructive to the all experiments in the field). Such things are considered purely pseudo-scientific, any claims otherwise, then they are lying to you.

And if you found Widde's posts knowledgable, then you have a real issue, they have no science in them and it is purely a case of making it up as he goes along being wilfully ignorant of opposing evidence and basic biology.

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Posted 05 February 2010 - 05:56 AM

Please ponder the ABC 20/20 program The Last Days on Earth (DVD), which discusses species-killing events like Nuclear & Biological armageddon, as well as Global Warming.  These are species-killing risks, w/ Physicist Stephen Hawking rates as risky "if humans cannot learn to control their instinct w/ their reason".  First, perhaps the observable "signature" of such self-inflicted species-suicides, could include, a planet showing signs of Global Warming when it shouldn't — for example, a planet in the outer reaches of its central stars' Habitable Zone, which should be quite cool, but which is actually over-warm.  Moreover, if coal & hydrocarbons are common across the Cosmos, maybe Global Warming by the burning of "fossil fuels", w/ all of the chemical signatures of such, should be observable from Earth.  Or, perhaps a super-infected "Plague Planet" would show signs of bacteria, or viruses, floating freely in its atmosphere.

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 11:48 AM

According to the National Geographic Channel documentary Aftermath: Population Zero (DVD), the chemical "symptoms" of burning hydrocarbons include CO2, methane, and nitrous oxide.  So, perhaps this combination could be a "chemical fingerprint" or signature of burning hydrocarbons, as opposed to "natural" CO2 runaway greenhouse effects, as seen on Venus, which might be only CO2 w/o the others (say).  (Note that I'm assuming, as per this hypothesis, that the relevant sentient species sadly suffered from a fully runaway GHE, so that their world wouldn't be able to scrub out the CO2 after that planet passed its "tipping point".)

Moreover, according to the History Channel documentary How the Earth was Made — Mt. St. Helens (TV), when snow, ice, and glaciers melt back, exposing bare continental crust, the dramatic reduction in weight & pressure upon the land can "uncork" volcanoes previously compressed & contained, as happened in Iceland in 1996 AD.  So, artificial, and catastrophically quick, runaway planetary warming, caused by some sentient species upon its particular planet, and which would certainly melt away any polar ice caps, could conceivably cause increased "Polar Volcanism", which might persist for many millions of years, and which would be a long-lived indicator consistent w/ this Predator Hypothesis.

Similarly, perhaps a sudden & quick increase in ocean levels would create "sharp shorelines", which might persist for many millions of years, before natural erosion had time to soften said shorelines, into more natural forms.

Also, according to the same said show, Mankind has already dammed & diverted fully half of all major rivers.  And, I was told that man-made lakes, created by dams, actually redistribute enough mass, to affect the spinning of Earth on its axis.  So, whilst the aforesaid NGC channel documentary says that man-made dams won't last more than several centuries, perhaps the diversion of major rivers could cause "double river channels" indicative of artificial alterations, and, hence, sentient species, which would be apparent even at great distance.  So, too, some strange inland lakes, sitting astride major rivers which would normally drain them, might strongly suggest a surviving, 'sentient-species-built' dam.

Again, the ultimate fact remains, that if whole worlds are wrecked (by suspiciously suicidal actions of sentient species), then that wreckage ought to be obvious when those worlds are observed, by planned Planet-Finder missions, in the next few decades.

Note that the afore-cited NGC documentary suggests that even the toughest man-made buildings (e.g. the granite base of the Statue of Liberty) will last no longer than ~25 Kyr.  And, indeed, according to the NGC documentary Naked Science — Pyramids (DVD), even the Great Pyramid of Giza will erode after ~70 Kyr.  So, as a rough rule, it seems unlikely that any direct evidence of sentient-species-built structures would last longer than 100 Kyr, although perhaps their ruins might be observable from space, something similar to the Lost Amazon Civilization seen from space upon this particular planet.

The afore-cited Watts Library book Are We Alone (pg. 50), suggests that there should be about 8 technologically advanced, sentient species in our Galaxy at any given moment, w/ each such species' civilization lasting an estimated 500 years.  Thus, the expected "turn-over-rate", of sentient species' civilizations, according to the Drake Equation, but w/o accounting for The Predator, is roughly one advanced sentient species per 60 years.  (So, our "galactic nest" should be squawking w/ sentience, which is Fermi's Paradox.)  If this is true, then successful "predations" of sentient species might have happened w/in the last few decades, so that the trail of evidence might be fairly fresh, albeit at hundreds or thousands of light-years distance.

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 12:16 PM

Possibly Pertinent Observation:

According to Dr. Duncan MacDougal of Haverhill, MA, the human soul weighs roughly 10-40 grams.  Even 10 grams of mass, according to Einstein's mass-energy equivalence (E = m c2), is equivalent to the energy released by a 100 kiloton nuclear bomb (1015 Joules).

Now, as some sort of "Shamanic suggestion" (as it were), the Gravitational Binding Energy of Earth (U = (3/5) G M2 / R) is over 1032 J.  And, if some Super-Species, as alleged by this Predator Hypothesis, can wreck whole worlds, at great distances, from the other side of space, then it seems somewhat natural to assume, that said Super-Species could, indeed, completely destroy a planet, w/ some sort of "Death Star laser" like technology, at "point blank range", "up close & personal", "in person" (as it were).  

So, it seems pretty plausible, that a Super-Species probably possesses weapons which can deliver of order 1032 J worth of energy.  Such "world rocking" technology, in turn, is equivalent to the energies of 100,000 trillion (human-caliber) souls.  If such "world rocking" energies could be applied, via advanced means, to some sort of "Telepathic Mind [or Soul] Control" kind of technology, then a whole galaxy's worth of (human-caliber) sentient souls — billions per plant, times thousands of planets — could be completely co-opted, and forcefully thralled to The Will of The Predator.  (Indeed, such Faster-than-Light (FTL) "Soul Control" technologies would be necessary to impose & compel across a Galaxy, "in real time", w/o suffering from time-lags & delays of decades, centuries, & millennia, during which time rebellions could crop up, say.)  Note that it certainly seems suspiciously surprising, to this author, that these numbers appear as plausible as they do.  For, it's estimated that Earth can support 10 billion humans, so that 10 million such planets could support 100,000 trillion humans.  And, assuming that there are 10 million habitable star systems, out of the 100 billion stars in our spiral galaxy (1 per 10 thousand), is certainly well w/in the current range of estimates, of the "galactic habitability" of the Milky Way.  The very surprising self-consistent plausibility of these numbers could be construed as some more (currently weak) circumstantial evidence in favor of this hypothesis.

Note that the mass-energy equivalent of (human-caliber) souls, as well as the (hypothesized) weapon's energy, is (already) so vast, that targeted species would have utterly no chance of competing against such "Soul Control" technologies.  The targeted species would be completely thralled, w/o recourse, of any kind, even from across the Cosmos.

(Note, too, that a typical human, burning about 100 Watts, would require roughly 30,000 years to consume & expend enough calories to account for the mass-energy equivalent of their soul.  So, the soul would seem to require "energy from elsewhere".  And, in-so-far as "soul mass" is proportional to some sort of "sentience index" (IQ, say), then this might mean, that to actually create a fully conscious Artificial Intelligence (AI) would require imbuing the machine w/ quite considerable amounts of energy.)

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 11:32 PM

You are taking known and understood science and throwing in fantasy stories in it.
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Posted 18 February 2010 - 05:18 AM

Episodes of the History Channel documentary series Life After People frequently show rusting iron & steel structures shimmying & shaking with the wind, before finally falling down.  Now, (1) iron is quite common across the Cosmos and appears to be a prominent component of Planetary Systems as well; (2) iron, as well as steel, is so useful that, assuming its availability, it's bound to be used by intelligent aliens.  Thus, it seems rather reasonable that intelligent alien civilizations would commonly construct structures using iron & steel.

In-so-far as it is actually possible for "Remote Viewers" to seek & sense sounds (as well as visual images), perhaps such psychics could listen to soundtracks of steel structures "whining" in the wind... and then try to "key in" to such sounds elsewhere across Space.

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 03:45 PM

I feel that the following image may "resonate" with what I'm hypothesizing, combining, as it does, a juxtaposition of Galactic-scale "super civilization", with complete cultural collapse & ruined decay:

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