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#91    Widdekind

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 03:59 PM

The "Shaman Connection"

Amongst 'primitive' peoples -- as everywhere, amongst men world wide, back in the Ice Age, and still today is some pristine places -- Shaman witch-doctors would be called on to cure those afflicted by "Evil Spirits". By taking narcotic substances, procured primarily from plants, Shamans would enter the "Spirit World" and communicate with, confront, or otherwise secure the release of their patient (as I understand it).  These "Evil Spirits" who afflicted and "possessed" the patient would thereby be exorcised.

In-so-far as "Evil Spirits" who "possess" people can be interpreted as some type of "telepathic possession" from a (stereotypically) Christian & Catholic background, then these same "Evil Spirits" which afflicted Mankind for many millennia, back into the darkest depths of human prehistory upon this planet, should be seen as something similar.  And, so, very roughly speaking then, there seems to some sort of association between (1) "telepathic possession" & co-option of consciousness; (2) Shamanistic altered states of consciousness; (3) Exorcism of "telepathic possessor".

Perhaps, then, when one given kind of consciousness is co-opted & "telepathically possessed", altering that state of consciousness (for eg., w/ narcotic substances) amounts to an "evasive maneuver", in terms of consciousness, and helps "break the lock" of the "telepathic possessor" upon the patient.

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Posted 07 March 2010 - 10:24 AM

Avatar Analogy

The movie Avatar broaches the topics of Mind Transmission & Transfer:

Using their capability of advanced genetic engineering, humans develop "Avatar" hybrid bodies from genetically distinct modified-human DNA and Na'vi alien genetic material. Through psionics, genetically-matched humans are then mind-linked to these "Avatars" for remote control operation.

As portrayed in the movie, the hybrid "Avatar" bodies are "soul-less" (as it were), becoming inert when the human operator terminates the psionic connection, but are otherwise completely capable "hosts" for human consciousness:

The clan attempts to transfer Grace from her dying human body into her unconscious avatar with the aid of the Tree [of Souls], but she succumbs to her injuries before the transfer is complete. Quaritch finds and attacks the avatar link unit where Jake's human body is located, exposing Jake to Pandora's atmosphere. Neytiri kills Quaritch and saves Jake. With the attack repelled, Neytiri and Jake reaffirm their love as she sees his human body for the first time.  Selfridge and the remaining corporate personnel are expelled from Pandora, while Jake, Norm, and other scientists are allowed to remain. Jake is seen wearing the insignia of the Omaticaya leader. The clan performs the ritual that permanently transfers Jake from his human body into his Na'vi body.

CNN has published some scholarly investigations of "Avatar" technology:

The premise of the film is that humans can enter the world of these 10-foot aliens, called the Na'vi, by way of half-human, half-Na'vi hybrids. A high-tech interfacing mechanism allows a human to remain inert while controlling one of these avatar hybrids just by thinking.  Not only does the human manipulate the avatar's movements and speech, but he or she also experiences life -- every sensation, feeling and emotion -- through the eyes of the hybrid, as if consciousness were transferred.



CONCLUSION: Mind Transmission & Transfer is the means by which "Psychic Warfare is waged across the Cosmos", according to this "Predator Hypothesis".  To wit, "Demonic Possession" (so called, throughout human history) is alleged to be some sort of "Telepathic Possession", which enables the alleged alien "Super Species" to transmit & transfer their alien will into (willing ?) human hosts, along the lines of Avatar.

CLARIFICATION of CLAIMS: Primitive paleolithic peoples opposed these Psionic attacks with Witch-doctors & Shamans.  In more modern times, Priests & Pastors perform essentially the same "Exorcisms", of (unwilling ?) afflicted persons.  Such "Psychic Assaults", violently impregnating the minds of men with the inhuman alien will, explains "Man's inhumanity to Man", from prehistory to the present.

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Posted 07 March 2010 - 10:53 AM

View PostWiddekind, on 04 March 2010 - 03:59 PM, said:

The "Shaman Connection"

Amongst 'primitive' peoples -- as everywhere, amongst men world wide, back in the Ice Age, and still today is some pristine places -- Shaman witch-doctors would be called on to cure those afflicted by "Evil Spirits". By taking narcotic substances, procured primarily from plants, Shamans would enter the "Spirit World" and communicate with, confront, or otherwise secure the release of their patient (as I understand it).  These "Evil Spirits" who afflicted and "possessed" the patient would thereby be exorcised.

In-so-far as "Evil Spirits" who "possess" people can be interpreted as some type of "telepathic possession" from a (stereotypically) Christian & Catholic background, then these same "Evil Spirits" which afflicted Mankind for many millennia, back into the darkest depths of human prehistory upon this planet, should be seen as something similar.  And, so, very roughly speaking then, there seems to some sort of association between (1) "telepathic possession" & co-option of consciousness; (2) Shamanistic altered states of consciousness; (3) Exorcism of "telepathic possessor".

Perhaps, then, when one given kind of consciousness is co-opted & "telepathically possessed", altering that state of consciousness (for eg., w/ narcotic substances) amounts to an "evasive maneuver", in terms of consciousness, and helps "break the lock" of the "telepathic possessor" upon the patient.

There is nothing spiritual about drug use, it is very easily explainable with biochemitstry and neurotoxicity.
It has nothing to do with any conjectured telepathy and nor does it support your science fiction story.

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Posted 07 March 2010 - 11:07 AM

Logical Look at Pseudo-Scientific Allegations

Compared to humble humans, the alleged alien "Super Species" is an "Over-Being" with awesome & god-like (Telepathic / Mind Transmission & Transfer) abilities.  Therefore, however much mere humble humans can communicate Telepathically, reason requires that this supposed "Super Species" is much more Telepathically potent.  Not only, then, would such "Super Sentients" be much more capable of communicating Telepathically amongst themselves, but they would surely be somewhat more capable of communicating Telepathically with humans:

Alien <—> Alien
Alien <—> human
human <—> human

Now, human-to-human Telepathy is said to encompass the transmission of (1) emotions; (2) basic information (e.g. images of cards or maps).  Therefore, alien-to-human Telepathy must encompass more.  Thus, the transmission of (1) higher consciousness; (2) complex information (e.g. "visions" of many moving images) are rather reasonable logical guesses.

Along the same logical lines, it would be likely, that the most potent Telepathic connection any human has ever experienced with another human probably pales in comparison to the types of Telepathic experiences experienced during psychic contact with the alien "Super Sentients".  In a word, no human has ever induced a full-fledged "religious experience" (!) in another human — the only time humble human Telepaths feel themselves to be in contact with "god" is when an alien "Super Sentient" is 'on the other end of the line' (as it were).  Risking the cliche, the only time a Psychic experience is 'out of this world'... is when it actually is.  (Indeed, were it merely 'of this world', it wouldn't seem so remarkable, as it would be much more customary & common ["been there, done that"], for Earth's own terrestrial lifeforms.)

Speaking of claimed cases of "Demonic Possession", in-so-far as no human has ever Psychically possessed another human (making them speak in foreign tongues, imparting super-human (!) strength, etc.), then the greater ability of "The Supernatural" to do so, seems strangely consistent w/ these allegations.  For example, has any human ever even claimed to match the Telepathic potency of "god" ?

Also, in-so-far as "Corpse Reanimation" may have been mentioned, as an alleged example of "Mind Transmission & Transfer", such seems rather irrelevant.  For, CR is the attempt to re-impose consciousness into a corpse [trying to load a new Operating System (OS) when the computer is turned off], whereas "Demonic Possession" is the invasion of a live body & mind by another [installing malware into the OS when the computer is online].  But one could conceive of cases of "undetected Demonic Possession", brought about b/c the human host did not feel afflicted, but rather welcomed the ingrafting of some Super Sentience into their own mind.  Such "willing" human hosts wouldn't try to reject the mind invasion, and would be some sort of hybrid human-alien consciousness, walking around upon this particular planet, along the lines of the movie Avatar [feeding information back to RDA & Sec-Ops for purposes of planetary exploitation].  Logically, the longer such a hybrid, combined-consciousness condition existed, the more accustomed the human host would become, to their "Pyschic parasite", and the less willing & able "they" would be to part w/ that part of "their" consciousness [rootkit malware], as the native humanity was "swamped" in a surging sea of Super Sentience.  Indeed, that hybrid human-alien would come to conceive of the aliens' will... as their own "human nature", precisely as people flippantly refer to "Man's inhumanity to Man" as "human nature" [technically, a logical contradiction].

Edited by Widdekind, 07 March 2010 - 11:45 AM.

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Posted 07 March 2010 - 11:14 AM

Sorry widde, that is not dealing with allegations, that is backing conjecture with more conjecture.

You say the same logical lines, sorry mate, but there is no logic involved here, this is your own story, it isn't anything with evidence, there isn't even evidence for psychic powers or alien species which is the very crux of your story. Basically, it is either a science fiction story or pure pseudo-science.

Anything involving aliens, telepathy and god is nothing to do with either logic or science and is a lot do with belief.

Edited by Mattshark, 07 March 2010 - 11:15 AM.

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 04:51 AM

View PostWiddekind, on 07 March 2010 - 10:24 AM, said:

Avatar Analogy

The movie Avatar broaches the topics of Mind Transmission & Transfer:

...

Said simply as a subsequent "Shamanistic suggestion", this Sci-Fi sourcebook similarly broaches the topic of Mind Transmission & Transfer, and could be construed as the logical & reasonable deductions of educated individuals:

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Biotechnology

In a technology related to that used for matter transmission, it becomes possible to scan and transfer minds.  This makes possible an indefinite lifespan, the mind being transferred to a new younger brain and  body...  The technology can also be used for other purposes, such at swapping minds (even with alien creatures) and creating persons whose mentality is a composite of a number of other persons...

Mind Transplants use ... a field [which] is formed around the donor, the recipient, and the operator...

This basic operation can be done in many ways. For instance, two thrill-seekers can exchange bodies with each other.  An old person can gain virtual immortality by translating into a young body. Two (or more) souls can share a single body. The soul of a human can be placed into an animal [or alien into human]. The catch, of course, is that with any translation there is data loss, and the more complex the operation, the more data is lost...

Consider an elderly person wishing to stay alive. If the person is wealthy enough, one has several choices of legal routes to immortality. One may compensate the body donor sufficiently so that the arrangement is freely entered into. A lot of credits for oneʹs family can make even premature death look attractive. One may buy the body of a mindwiped criminal in certain states, and swap bodies.


Edited by Widdekind, 08 March 2010 - 05:07 AM.

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 05:47 AM

Vocabulary

Sentience

Sense perceive, feel, know


Consciousness

Conscious knowing, aware
Conscience "knowledge within oneself, a moral sense," prp. of conscire "be mutually aware," from com- "with" + scire [science] "to know"... [Rus. also uses a loan-translation, so-vest, "conscience," lit. "with-knowledge."]

self-conscious internal knowledge ["self sensation", "self aware"]


Self
Soul



CONCLUSION: Consciousness & Sentience revolve around (1) awareness & knowledge [of information, which implies processing of the same], (2) of one's self [specifically].  To say, then, that Earth is beset by an alien "Super Sentience", is to say, that this particular planet is immersed in an alien's "field of information awareness [& data processing]" (cf. Ps 139:7).  To wit, the alien [alias "god"] "knows" Earth.

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 10:35 AM

ADDENDUM:

Dictionary.com defines "Conscience" as:

1. the inner sense of what is right or wrong in one's conduct or motives, impelling one toward right action: to follow the dictates of conscience.
2. the complex of ethical and moral principles that controls or inhibits the actions or thoughts of an individual.
3. an inhibiting sense of what is prudent: I'd eat another piece of pie but my conscience would bother me.

In-so-far as "Man's inhumanity to Man" stems from some sort of Psionic assault, coming from across the Cosmos, then the resulting "Demonic Possessions" would impregnate men's minds with, no longer a native Earthling human conscience, but a new extra-terrestrial "exo-science" (as it were).  This "Predator imposed exoscience" would "impel" men to be inhuman to other men, whilst "inhibiting" men from being humane to other men.  Such would be the power of Psionic possession — Earthling humans would act (allot) like other-wordly non-humans.

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 10:48 AM

View PostWiddekind, on 08 March 2010 - 05:47 AM, said:

Vocabulary

Sentience

Sense perceive, feel, know


Consciousness

Conscious knowing, aware
Conscience "knowledge within oneself, a moral sense," prp. of conscire "be mutually aware," from com- "with" + scire [science] "to know"... [Rus. also uses a loan-translation, so-vest, "conscience," lit. "with-knowledge."]

self-conscious internal knowledge ["self sensation", "self aware"]


Self
Soul



CONCLUSION: Consciousness & Sentience revolve around (1) awareness & knowledge [of information, which implies processing of the same], (2) of one's self [specifically].  To say, then, that Earth is beset by an alien "Super Sentience", is to say, that this particular planet is immersed in an alien's "field of information awareness [& data processing]" (cf. Ps 139:7).  To wit, the alien [alias "god"] "knows" Earth.


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ADDENDUM:

Dictionary.com defines "Conscience" as:

1. the inner sense of what is right or wrong in one's conduct or motives, impelling one toward right action: to follow the dictates of conscience.
2. the complex of ethical and moral principles that controls or inhibits the actions or thoughts of an individual.
3. an inhibiting sense of what is prudent: I'd eat another piece of pie but my conscience would bother me.

In-so-far as "Man's inhumanity to Man" stems from some sort of Psionic assault, coming from across the Cosmos, then the resulting "Demonic Possessions" would impregnate men's minds with, no longer a native Earthling human conscience, but a new extra-terrestrial "exo-science" (as it were).  This "Predator imposed exoscience" would "impel" men to be inhuman to other men, whilst "inhibiting" men from being humane to other men.  Such would be the power of Psionic possession.


Again, in what way is this not you trying to tell a science fiction story?

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 03:11 PM

View PostWiddekind, on 08 March 2010 - 10:35 AM, said:

ADDENDUM:

Dictionary.com defines "Conscience" as:

1. the inner sense of what is right or wrong in one's conduct or motives, impelling one toward right action: to follow the dictates of conscience.
2. the complex of ethical and moral principles that controls or inhibits the actions or thoughts of an individual.
3. an inhibiting sense of what is prudent: I'd eat another piece of pie but my conscience would bother me.

In-so-far as "Man's inhumanity to Man" stems from some sort of Psionic assault, coming from across the Cosmos, then the resulting "Demonic Possessions" would impregnate men's minds with, no longer a native Earthling human conscience, but a new extra-terrestrial "exo-science" (as it were).  This "Predator imposed exoscience" would "impel" men to be inhuman to other men, whilst "inhibiting" men from being humane to other men.  Such would be the power of Psionic possession Earthling humans would act (allot) like other-wordly non-humans.

In sum, this "Psychic Predator hypothesis" says, with the words of the "Avatar" analogy, that if you observe inhuman behavior from a human body, then that human body is "inhabited" ("piloted, driven") by an unhuman sentience ("soul").  To wit, 'judge a tree by its fruit':

humane behavior = human soul
inhuman behavior = unhuman soul



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Posted 08 March 2010 - 03:14 PM

View PostMattshark, on 08 March 2010 - 10:48 AM, said:

Again, in what way is this not you trying to tell a science fiction story?

You seem to say that Psychic Phenomena are "already" Sci-Fi.  But I am assuming that Psychic Phenomena are real, and addressing the ensuing possibilities opened up by that assumption.

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 10:03 PM

View PostWiddekind, on 08 March 2010 - 03:14 PM, said:

You seem to say that Psychic Phenomena are "already" Sci-Fi.  But I am assuming that Psychic Phenomena are real, and addressing the ensuing possibilities opened up by that assumption.
Which is basically just creating a science fiction story.

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 10:10 PM

First off just because something is 'alien' why in the hell does it have or MUST have higher intellect..hell for all you know they could be dumb as rocks. Just like some humans are..just because you do not understand x creature does not make them any more intelligent or less.

I think that is something to think about...besides even all the rest of this.

Secondly, what annoys me more is why does it have to be a priest, shaman, witch doctor..to feel a 'psychic assult'...anyone can get vibes from an ahole being mean to someone else 'taking their energy' or in lamens terms..making x person aggitated/tired/angry/negative...hell all it takes is that one person at the party that can make you feel like crap. It has nothing to do with priest or shaman..or any of that...nor this whole thing of 'stealing' souls. One thing humans will understand is that people can be mean to one another and this can be done many ways..and the 'silent' way would be called a 'psychic attack'(which i find it to be a really horrible word choice for it..but whatever)

In reality these attacks for those aware of body language and other things more than the average jo...know what the person is doing. I think some of the sources are to 'science fiction' when it is more down to earth than people think, and included every day beings.

Edited by puridalan, 08 March 2010 - 10:14 PM.


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Posted 08 March 2010 - 10:14 PM

View Postpuridalan, on 08 March 2010 - 10:10 PM, said:

First off just because something is 'alien' why in the hell does it have or MUST have higher intellect..hell for all you know they could be dumb as rocks. Just like some humans are..just because you do not understand x creature does not make them any more intelligent or less.

I think that is something to think about...besides even all the rest of this.

I have always wondered that, it is entirely possible that we are in fact the most intelligent and technologically advanced species in the universe!

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 10:27 PM

Matt haha..well I will tell you what...maybe a species, but with some people it certainly says the opposite! Intellect comes in many forms, as for surviving out in the wild many of today would go kaput without any of their ipods and what have you (laughs). So I truely admire the other animals/plants of the world, some extraordinary things they can do/have done as you know.





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