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Are You Living In a Computer Simulation?


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#1    Transhumanism

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Posted 04 May 2004 - 02:33 AM

There is a Nick Bostrom, PhD, of Philosophy Faculty, Oxford University  who makes the case that we humans may be living in a computer simulation.  See http://www.simulation-argument.com/  I have not read it as yet, but will soon.  If others want to read it and paraphrase the info., go for it.




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Posted 04 May 2004 - 10:26 PM

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Posted 05 May 2004 - 12:18 AM

I love The Matrix.  It's a fabulous movie.  Great characters, amazing effects, and a brilliant story concept.  It has style.  There is something deeply cool about it.

I love it.  I love it to bits.

It's awesome.



But if Nick Bostrom, PhD, of Oxford University, thinks we're living in a computer simulation, then he's off his f***ing head.

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Posted 05 May 2004 - 02:40 AM

Even if we are living in a super complex computer system, how could we ever know? Why would we ever want to know?  If you can't do anything about it then why care at all?

I certainly don't care.  Call me cypher if you will, but whats the difference? whistling2.gif  


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Posted 05 May 2004 - 03:48 AM

You got to be kidding me I dont believe we are living in a computer simulation I guess some people have crazy beliefs and idea after watching movies and stuff. laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  


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Posted 05 May 2004 - 04:52 AM

QUOTE (fulltimekiller @ May 5 2004, 04:48 AM)
You got to be kidding me I dont believe we are living in a computer simulation I guess some people have crazy beliefs and idea after watching movies and stuff. laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

And how would you ever even know that your world is "real."  When you dream, do you think it's fake during the dream?  

What if your life is one long dream in which you never wake up.  Have you never taken philosophy?  

My friend is taking philosophy and the class has mostly Christians and they were all damning the teacher to Hell Fire for questioning their perceptions of reality.  

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Posted 05 May 2004 - 08:45 AM

It's amazing how people dismiss theories simply because they feel uncomfortable with them.



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Posted 06 May 2004 - 07:44 AM

I didn't dismiss any theories the just seems hard to believes. Off course we need some research to prove a theory(even theory are hard to believe)I heard of some theory that is hard to believe but it actually turn out that it does work. Example-When you get a heavy object and a light object some people may think that the heavy object will drop faster.But when you experiment with it they both drop at a same speed.


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Posted 06 May 2004 - 08:07 AM

If we live in a compu sim'd world then why the hell can't they make it more goddamned interesting!!!!


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Ya know, a few days ago I found a better explaination(sp?) for Angelfish than "Cus it sounds cool".
But than I realized there was no one around to hear it, and I got really depressed.
I hope you all intend to make me feel better.

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Posted 09 May 2004 - 12:06 AM

What method could you possibly use to prove that we are living in a computer program anyway?


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Posted 09 May 2004 - 03:21 AM

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Posted 09 May 2004 - 03:38 AM

QUOTE (fulltimekiller @ May 5 2004, 04:48 AM)
You got to be kidding me I dont believe we are living in a computer simulation I guess some people have crazy beliefs and idea after watching movies and stuff. laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

i don't see how it's a crazy idea at all. but like monkyburd, i don't care much one way or the other.

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Posted 09 May 2004 - 05:31 AM

in terms of probability, i would imagine being in a simulated world would be more likely than say being part of a universe created by a supernatural all powerful being:)


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Posted 09 May 2004 - 11:01 AM

QUOTE (TheHand @ May 9 2004, 01:06 AM)
What method could you possibly use to prove that we are living in a computer program anyway?

If we are living in an artificial world, then the "laws of physics" would not be constant or even non-arbitrary but dependent on the whims of those that created our world, like the movie "The Matrix."  As such, the scientific method may not work.  But, it may also be that the evidence for such a scenario is not accessable to man, similar to how the evidence for black holes was not available 500 years ago.  So, it's just philosophical speculations at the moment.  But, Nick Bostrom says he has evidence in support of the "Matrix" scenario, but I have not read anything on his site as yet.  

I DO wish though I was living in a computer, that would give me the prospects of living for ever and the possibilty of creating my environment to fit my desires.  

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Posted 09 May 2004 - 03:51 PM

QUOTE (Transhumanism @ May 5 2004, 05:52 AM)
When you dream, do you think it's fake during the dream?  

What if your life is one long dream in which you never wake up.  Have you never taken philosophy?  


The difference between dreaming and waking is concious thought.  If life was a dream we wouldn't have concious thought.  As Descartes said, 'I think therefore I am'.

A monk approached the zen master Joshu and said "I have just entered the monastery.  Please teach me."
Joshu said, "Have you eaten your rice porridge?"
The monk replied that he had.
"Then you had better wash your bowl," Joshu said.

                      
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'The professor had come to inquire  about zen but in conversation, he spent more time talking than listening.  In response, Nan-in began pouring the professor's tea until it flowed out of the cup and onto the table.
"What are you doing!" the professor exclaimed.
"Like this cup, you are full of your own ideas," replied the master.  "How can I teach unless you first empty your cup?"


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