[drpaxton]

Enigma wrapped in a puzzle, on 23 October 2009 - 02:55 PM, said:

I hate aruging with someone who does not bring up anything logical. Would you like for me to link just about every topic that is started on these forums. Because 99.9% of them have links brainiac. FYI when I started this thread I provided a link to what I am talking about... ugghhh

You obviously don't realize it but you just agreed with me. Thanks.
Here is a clue on how it works. Because you are quoting something that is 10 days old, the part you may have understood (though there is no guarantee) has been *snipped*.
Since everyone else has moved back on to topic maybe you can too.

This post has been edited by drpaxton: 24 October 2009 - 04:53 AM

[flashram]

Tim G, on 21 October 2009 - 08:20 PM, said:

I'm curious, say you didn't think it was a two man suit and I gave you some other alternative. Nothing off top of my head, could you think it was that alternative if you continually watched it. I'm not calling you out, I'm just curious on thought perception on it. It would be difficult for two men to run in unison like that I believe, but it's a possibility.
-Tim G

Well, in all honesty they don't show the 'beast' running for very long. I'm a very open minded individual, and I wish this was real.

and I came to that conclusion by studying it, not by auto-suggestion. Not that I'm a professional on the matter, just my thoughts on it.

This post has been edited by flashram: 24 October 2009 - 07:56 PM

[Tim G]

No problem, the thoughts were very good in fact. I'm not sure what it is yet, but it's interesting.
-Tim G

[Matt121]

Mindstage productions owns the rights to the gable film. Just google gable film and mindstage productions and you will see that many websites that talk about the video credit mindstage productions as the owner of the film. Giving me more belief that it's an elaborate hoax. Even this website http://web.me.com/st...Gable_Film.html at the bottom it says film courtesy of mindstage productions

[drpaxton]

Matt121, on 25 October 2009 - 12:45 AM, said:

Mindstage productions owns the rights to the gable film. Just google gable film and mindstage productions and you will see that many websites that talk about the video credit mindstage productions as the owner of the film. Giving me more belief that it's an elaborate hoax. Even this website http://web.me.com/st...Gable_Film.html at the bottom it says film courtesy of mindstage productions

While I believe that the film may be a hoax of some kind the ownership of the piece may belong to Mindstage even if it is real. The story was that they acquired the footage and then decided to release it into the public as a way to try to find out its true origin.

That being said I do think there are too many problems to believe any of this any more. The beginning of the end for me was the surfacing of the campy, poorly produced 'police scene' second film. The back story on that was a bit to convenient and well timed. I still thought maybe the original film was still legit and a second party had produced the 'police scene' on their own.

I still liked the 'attack scene' even though the added teeth at the end was an obvious spliced in piece. The remainder of the original scene which shows the snow mobile, pickup truck and shemale lumberjack seemed real too until I discovered these three videos on YouTube:
Gable Film Reseach

In my opinion they show all facets of the film have been doctored in some way including more problems with the attack scene.

It seems there are people on this board connected to whoever (Mindstage?) are behind the hoax. They defend and try to argue EVERY little bit of evidence that shows this is probably just another fake.

Some will ask, who would do this and for what profit?
There are several answers to that. Here are five:
1. If Mindstage is behind it that's easy. To promote Mindstage. Look how they've gotten their name out there. Great advertising and even if it gets exposed as a hoax 100% their name has still gotten out there. Any publicity is good publicity. Nice work if that's the case.

2. It may have been part of a bad Independent movie at one time that never got finished for whatever reason. Even a mainstream one. I've seen worse on the big screen. Ever see "Plan 9 From Outer Space"? It is baaad!

3. Someone did it just for kicks, to try to fool people. Just like the California Drones and tons of others.

4. Like the recent 'Bigfoot body in my freezer' they may have been setting it up hoping to cash-in down the road.

5. Maybe someone is profiting. 'Theater Of the Weird' is the only YouTube user still allowed to show the second part. No one seems to know why. Do they have a hand in the whole thing to promote their museum in Texas?


The main attack sequence looks pretty good initially and is definitely creepy but for mr there are too many little things that add up to hoax. Others may feel differently.

[Matt121]

drpaxton, on 25 October 2009 - 08:20 AM, said:

While I believe that the film may be a hoax of some kind the ownership of the piece may belong to Mindstage even if it is real. The story was that they acquired the footage and then decided to release it into the public as a way to try to find out its true origin.

That being said I do think there are too many problems to believe any of this any more. The beginning of the end for me was the surfacing of the campy, poorly produced 'police scene' second film. The back story on that was a bit to convenient and well timed. I still thought maybe the original film was still legit and a second party had produced the 'police scene' on their own.

I still liked the 'attack scene' even though the added teeth at the end was an obvious spliced in piece. The remainder of the original scene which shows the snow mobile, pickup truck and shemale lumberjack seemed real too until I discovered these three videos on YouTube:
Gable Film Reseach

In my opinion they show all facets of the film have been doctored in some way including more problems with the attack scene.

It seems there are people on this board connected to whoever (Mindstage?) are behind the hoax. They defend and try to argue EVERY little bit of evidence that shows this is probably just another fake.

Some will ask, who would do this and for what profit?
There are several answers to that. Here are five:
1. If Mindstage is behind it that's easy. To promote Mindstage. Look how they've gotten their name out there. Great advertising and even if it gets exposed as a hoax 100% their name has still gotten out there. Any publicity is good publicity. Nice work if that's the case.

2. It may have been part of a bad Independent movie at one time that never got finished for whatever reason. Even a mainstream one. I've seen worse on the big screen. Ever see "Plan 9 From Outer Space"? It is baaad!

3. Someone did it just for kicks, to try to fool people. Just like the California Drones and tons of others.

4. Like the recent 'Bigfoot body in my freezer' they may have been setting it up hoping to cash-in down the road.

5. Maybe someone is profiting. 'Theater Of the Weird' is the only YouTube user still allowed to show the second part. No one seems to know why. Do they have a hand in the whole thing to promote their museum in Texas?


The main attack sequence looks pretty good initially and is definitely creepy but for mr there are too many little things that add up to hoax. Others may feel differently.

those are some great points you bring up in your post! also the legend of the dogman DVD that mindstage sells came out not to long after the gable film started popping up. I've also felt that some of the defenders might be connected to the film in some way. They just become so over protective about the film it leaves me to wonder.

This post has been edited by Matt121: 25 October 2009 - 06:42 PM

[Da-Boss]

the quality of that video is un-BEARABLE

it is a bear

[Cyaneyed]

I dont suppose anyone has/has a link to the original Gable film in quicktime or wmv, as was released here before 'authorities' had it taken down?

[Particle Noun]

Matt121, on 25 October 2009 - 10:20 AM, said:

those are some great points you bring up in your post! also the legend of the dogman DVD that mindstage sells came out not to long after the gable film started popping up. I've also felt that some of the defenders might be connected to the film in some way. They just become so over protective about the film it leaves me to wonder.

Just to be clear, all the proceeds of sales of that DVD go to a charity, so it's not the usual type profit motive.

[Blue_army]

Um the link's being taken down, i ask why?

[Kryptid]

Ok.. I have been reading this topic for a while now and finally decided to comment. I am not a self proclaimed expert,these are just my opinions.

I am not saying this is a monster,werewolf or whatever. I have been keeping up on the discussion on if it is a dog or a bear..or a gorilla. My first question on the gorilla argument is why on earth would there be a gorilla just hanging out in the woods in Michigan..or wherever this was shot..just because the tape was found in Michigan does not mean it was shot in Michigan. As far as I know unless this was shot in Africa,there should not be a gorilla just hanging around in the wild. On the subject of it being a bear,it has a a strange gallop for a bear,but it does appear to be running down a slight bit of an incline,but this thing burst into almost full speed right from the start. Bears do not burst into full speed nearly this quick. I mean this thing is very fast,it is on the cameraman within seconds. Bears are not that agile. On the dog argument,this animal is much to large to be a dog. Look at this thing. It looks like it weighs somewhere in the area of maybe 300 pounds.. I also saw a post where someone said it was a human in a suit..thats just nonsense..you show me a human in a suit who can run on all 4's that fast...in the woods. While on first glance this does look a lot like a bear,upon closer examination i no longer believe it to be a bear..nor dog or human. To simply put it I have no idea exactly what it is. Its a very strange looking creature and does not fit the typical profile of any animal that I can think of,.

On to things I notice about the animal. When the cameraman first starts filming it it appears to be sitting,almost like a human. When it goes to get up into chase position I see it stick out its right arm first as if its lifting its self to get into the position,not something a bear nor dog does. The head also looks very strange. I put this into adobe premiere so I could do some enhancing and I can see distinct pointy ears that stick straight up on top of its head and somewhat of a snout.

Im not sure if anyone has stumbled across this site,but there is a 2nd part to the video along with a story about how this 2nd tape was discovered.

http://www.oregonbig...ersistent-hoax/

Now after seeing this 2nd part of footage I am leaning more towards some sort of hoax or publicity stunt It still leaves me somewhat torn. It is completely plausible but on the other hand just screams publicity stunt. I assume in time we will find out.

This post has been edited by Kryptid: 27 October 2009 - 01:12 PM

[Legendcop13]

Ebonykrow, on 07 July 2009 - 11:36 AM, said:

I think it's fake. If you view the website for the Gable Film, you'll see that in one portion there's an image posted with the story of two girls who heard something, and went out and took a picture of this thing that was walking around their garage. Something like that. Anyway, turns out it was a screen cap from the movie Dog Soldiers, but the website is passing it as being a real photograph... Either they're stupid, or they think everyone else is stupid.

I don't think it was a screen cap from Dog Soldiers, I've seen Dog Soldiers a lot (great movie), and I do not recall snow on the ground at any point in the movie...not to mention that the driveway in the movie was a small 2 track. But I do think that this is clearly a fake, due to the fact that the proportions of the "creature" makes it about 12ft tall if you compare it with the garage/shed behind it. Plus, the lighting emitted from the lightpost would equal the shading given to the garage/shed and the snowbank would be the same to the creature as well...so....fake it is...

This post has been edited by Legendcop13: 07 November 2009 - 03:24 PM