[Robbo]

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I suspect that it will probably take a few scientists having personal experiences of their own

Exactly. But I think there has been, and they've either been discredited or the story has just died out like so many others.

I thought things were going to get interesting when HRH Prince's Philip and Charles (two very senior royals) got involved, but nothing came of that either.

[thefinalfrontier]

Lilly on Jul 8 2009, 05:05 PM, said:

Since UFOs seem to be more of a 'fleeting event', I suspect that it will probably take a few scientists having personal experiences of their own in order for UFOs to be taken seriously. Just my personal opinion here.

Well said Lilly and all to true, Its my personal opinion too,

edited to add that it truley does change ones perspective once you have been witness to a ufo cos you know what you seen and there is no changing that unless proven to be explainable in which in my case it is not, In my case the evidence although circumstantial is growing in leaps and bounds,
I think that it has happened to a true scientist and most likely has been brought forth to the scientific community but MONEY is not in ufo hunting,

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[DONTEATUS]

Has there been a real count of Forum members thatHave pesonally Had an actual Sighting?
I know of only a few that arebrave enough in here to put up with all the Flack!
We need to Post a List Of them Date,LocationTime ect Details,All the Green and Grey Little Details is what helps sort thru the Information!
Who would Like to Set it Up? I Know WHat I saw , TFF, Lilly, ?

[thefinalfrontier]

DONTEATUS on Jul 8 2009, 05:42 PM, said:

Has there been a real count of Forum members thatHave pesonally Had an actual Sighting?
I know of only a few that arebrave enough in here to put up with all the Flack!
We need to Post a List Of them Date,LocationTime ect Details,All the Green and Grey Little Details is what helps sort thru the Information!
Who would Like to Set it Up? I Know WHat I saw , TFF, Lilly, ?

Hi D;

I have started a thread about a year ago asking anyone who had seen a ufo to please share the info. I think I got maybe 15-20 replys to it, I think the number of people who have actually seen something are Unsure what they seen or know what they seen and are afraid of ridicule or there are those who plain old dont care,, I havent had much time recently but ill go digging it up if I can locate the thread,

Good idea D,

Regards;

TFF

[morrison1976]

Ok, like most people, i need evidence that these ufo's are ET. We have many sightings, enough sightings to know that something odd is flying in our airspace, but thats not evidence of ET im afraid. I video has been posted on here though that, if real, i believe it is something that just cant be put down o balloons or natuarl phenomona. The only thing that leaves is CGI. But these you can make anything look real by using a computer and photo shop, and that makes it very hard to know whats real and whats fake. I believe that there is millions of life in the universe, and as we are quite a young galaxy, i believe that there is life that is far more advanced that us, but are they coming here? They could be, but i will only believe that with evidence to support it. What we do know is some ufos defy explanation, and thats all we have im afraid.

[Captain Zim]

Hazzard on Jul 9 2009, 03:45 AM, said:

Now that is a good question... anyone?

Because, funnily enough, the US is a massive country with a thinly scattered rural population. In Africa, India and China, peasants aren't exactly rushing to their local MUFON website to report a funny light they saw up in the sky. UFO culture is also a culture of reporting. Yours truly has never "reported" a single UFO to any public database. As I've said before, I've had witnesses with me (my own family and friends!) who couldn't be bothered to go outside and look at a (rather spectacular and mysterious) UFO. Perhaps next time I'll scream and flap my arms and say something about a passenger plane on fire about to crash.

People love death and carnage far more than little lights in the sky.

I should also add that the airspace of the some of the US and particularly the UK is crammed, absolutely crammed with aircraft. So much that I would hate to fly there. Zurich and CDG are also pretty bad. So right away you have

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[Captain Zim]

Robbo on Jul 9 2009, 06:10 AM, said:

Exactly. But I think there has been, and they've either been discredited or the story has just died out like so many others.

I thought things were going to get interesting when HRH Prince's Philip and Charles (two very senior royals) got involved, but nothing came of that either.

Well, their tame crop circle boffin led an operation that resulted in a bunch of circlemakers getting nicked, and something very weird at the other site, which the MOD isn't keen to discuss (ie a funny light made the crops bend down).

[DONTEATUS]

But Good Data is hard to get when Every Government agency is required to report to higher levels of security From The FAA,thru the Military Just try getting Radar records of the Stephenville Tx UFO sighting, ITs all covered up quite neatly.! The wittness DId see something of enormous size with F-16`s in Hot presuit! Thats a Fact!

[skyeagle409]

Hazzard on Jul 8 2009, 05:04 PM, said:

Analysis of the mysterious radar recordings of the F-16.

Meesons report.

http://translate.goo...26rlz%3D1I7GZHZ

At the bottom of the report we have Apparent reason.

(Good find Peri and Evangium)

The data I presented had nothing to do with any atmospheric phenomena. And, even the lead F-16 pilot made that statement on tape as well, and it is obvious that the data was not indicative of any atmospheric phenomena.

Meesons, has been a focus of jokes over the years due to his flawed statement on that data. Didn't he understand as to what guided the F-16's to the area in the first place? Ground-based radars, which were totally different radar systems, should have told him something right there, that the object was a real craft and not something of any phenomena since the airborne radars also confirmed the presence of the object as well.

That shows sloppiness on his part.

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[skyeagle409]

Hazzard on Jul 8 2009, 07:45 PM, said:

Now that is a good question... anyone?
And this is not... because I personally dont think they are here.

If aliens have been visiting the Earth for 50 years, or a thousand years, I dot think it would be so hard to convince a lot of people that that was true. Its convinced 50% of the American public, sure, but its convinced very few academics.

As an astronomer said, if I thought there was a one percent chance any of that was true, Id spend 100 percent of my time on it. In other words, if the evidence were the least bit compelling, you would have lots of academics working on it because its very interesting. (could there be a more exciting discovery!?)

To me that says that the evidence is weak... from the scientists perspective.

But, didn't scientist once scoff at people who were claiming that rocks were falling from the sky? Those rocks were meteors, so why did scientist act that way they did back then, just as they are doing on the UFO enigma.

The scientist who have thrown in ET, were those who were tracking those objects.

[Evangium]

skyeagle409 on Jul 9 2009, 02:31 PM, said:

The data I presented had nothing to do with any atmospherice phenomena. And, even the lead F-16 pilot made that statement on tape as well, and it is obvious that the data was not indicative of any atmospheric phenomena.

Meesons, has been a focus of jokes over the years dued to his flawed staement on that data.

So when his conclusion is ET, he's not a joke? Yet when he shows another possibility, he's a laughing stock?

[skyeagle409]

Evangium on Jul 9 2009, 04:49 AM, said:

So when his conclusion is ET, he's not a joke? Yet when he shows another possibility, he's a laughing stock?

He was used by skeptics on another message board to debunk what I had posted. Eventually, "smoke at 10,000 feet in 50/60 knot winds" became a matter of a joke.

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[Hazzard]

skyeagle409 on Jul 9 2009, 05:35 AM, said:

But, didn't scientist once scoff at people who were claiming that rocks were falling from the sky? Those rocks were meteors, so why did scientist act that way they did back then, just as they are doing on the UFO enigma.

There may be something to that... Continental drift was not very popular either, at the beginning, but it gained adherents rather quickly. As soon as you have a trickle of evidence, that trickle turns into a torrent, and then what was radical yesterday is today mainstream.

I dont see that happening with the UFO phenomenon.

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The scientist who have thrown in ET, were those who were tracking those objects.

If you are thinking about posting that long list of UFOs in scientific literature, dont bother.... Im asking for a peer review journal where scientists claim that ET visitation is fact.

[Hazzard]

skyeagle409 on Jul 9 2009, 05:31 AM, said:

The data I presented had nothing to do with any atmospheric phenomena. And, even the lead F-16 pilot made that statement on tape as well, and it is obvious that the data was not indicative of any atmospheric phenomena.

Any atmospheric phenomena that we know of today.

Dont you agree that doing this by falcification, like Steven Schafersman and many of the skeptics do, is a good idea...?

I might say, however, that as an investigator of pseudoscientific topics for over twenty years my experience has taught me that the first things to suspect and look for are fraud, forgery, deception, misrepresentation, sophistry, and specious reasoning.... and if these are not in evidence, I then look for illogical reasoning, self-deception, misreading, inadvertently fudged data, and willful misunderstanding..... and if these are not in evidence, I then look for ignorance, innocent mistakes, misinterpretations, equipment errors, out-of-date references, overlooked results or causes, etc.

Unfortunately, ALL of these items MUST be examined FIRST when investigating any pseudoscientific topic, BEFORE one begins looking for presumed new or unusual natural phenomena.


To only look for the stuff that supports your preconceived notions is not the way to do this.

[behaviour???]

Captain Zim on Jul 9 2009, 09:21 AM, said:

Because, funnily enough, the US is a massive country with a thinly scattered rural population. In Africa, India and China, peasants aren't exactly rushing to their local MUFON website to report a funny light they saw up in the sky. UFO culture is also a culture of reporting. Yours truly has never "reported" a single UFO to any public database. As I've said before, I've had witnesses with me (my own family and friends!) who couldn't be bothered to go outside and look at a (rather spectacular and mysterious) UFO. Perhaps next time I'll scream and flap my arms and say something about a passenger plane on fire about to crash.

People love death and carnage far more than little lights in the sky.

I should also add that the airspace of the some of the US and particularly the UK is crammed, absolutely crammed with aircraft. So much that I would hate to fly there. Zurich and CDG are also pretty bad. So right away you have

It is not only peasants..there are educated people in there and why does none get reported...What about Russian and Australia and the other so called developed countries.A country will get developed only when there are more working class people and you say that these are uneducated.....We have this because as someone stated here of spammers...they seek attention and to gain this they do.Technologies i have sated many times is never at its peak so mere photographs wont prove anything about aliens...Its just physical evidence that matters and no such have been presented before the world...Mission to Europa and titans still go underway and yet we can take a leap forward only when their results come.... as at this point of time where no evidence seems satisfactory I think we are alone in this universe....
You say that because the airspace is crammed they are attracted?
I dont belive so because today in this world no country is there without private airsapce and airlines....airlines goes everywhere including domestic and international places and just because they are crammed more seems to be a very bad reason why they come to these countries.....What about India and Russia which have aquired rocket launch capablities?Why arent anyone attracted there?
Thanks
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