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#1    Hugh

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 11:50 PM

Anyone here ever get their bearings turned around and experience what is known as a Visual Reorientation Illusion (VRI)?

It's when everything around you, including you, experience an instant rotation of your directional bearings - either 90 degrees to the right or left, or 180 degrees completely around.

Here is a diagram I made up to show what the start and end postions are for each type of VRI:

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I have experienced VRIs since I was a child, and thought that everyone experienced them.

I've talked to many people that experience them, and have found some mention of them on the internet.

The first account I came across on the net was an article by Ann Druffel in which she talked about Subjective Directional Flips.

Here is a link to her article called "East is West and North is South" http://www.llewellyn...ticle.php?id=50

Here is a quote from the above link: "There are two common types of subjective direction flip. Go into a movie theater, for instance, situated on a northeast corner in your home town. Emerging a couple of hours later, you might discover that the theater now seems to be situated on the southwest corner, exactly opposite to where it was when you entered. The direction anomaly in this instance is not lasting, for the environs “flip back” while you walk to your car or wait on the corner for a bus. If you discuss the incident with friends, no one offers an explanation except to say, “Yes, that happens sometimes.

Another article I found was by Dr. Charles M. Oman who did some studies for NASA of VRIs that occur commonly for astronauts.

Up in space, in a weightless environment, one's bearings get flipped around often, for example when you see someone float by you upside down and all of a sudden you feel that it is you that is upside down and your bearings flip 180 degrees around from top to bottom!

In the article he says "Actually, it is possible to have a VRI right here on Earth, as when you leave an underground subway station labyrinth, and upon seeing a familiar visual landmark, realize that e.g. you are facing east, not west. On Earth, gravity constrains our body orientation, and provides an omnipresent "down" cue, so we normally only experience VRIs about a vertical axis."

Here is the link to that article and the quote is from page 4 there: http://ocw.mit.edu/N...orientation.pdf

ArtemisArcheress started a thread a while back called Perception http://www.unexplain...showtopic=96930 in which she talked about being able to see her Grandmother's house and a few other places from two different directions.

This perceptual ability is what I believe is created by a VRI flip.

With practice, one can do a VRI flip to see any place from four different directions (see the diagram above).

I find it easiest to consciously do a VRI flip in a movie theater.

Anyone else here ever experience this?

(I started a thread a few years ago here on the forum about the VRI: http://www.unexplain...showtopic=82537 but instead of ressurecting the old one I thought I'd just start a new one.) :)


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Posted 27 July 2009 - 01:39 AM

There is also the disorientation caused in Earth Quakes.

http://www.bibliotec...a_tsunami13.htm

Any thoughts?

PS: Given the sypmtoms what would be the effect of a massive earth quake on the human mind?

PSS: Metaphysically speaking of course.  :yes:

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 01:52 AM

View PostTriad, on Jul 27 2009, 01:39 AM, said:

There is also the disorientation caused in Earth Quakes.

http://www.bibliotec...a_tsunami13.htm

Any thoughts?

PS: Given the sypmtoms what would be the effect of a massive earth quake on the human mind?
I'm not sure how this directly relates to this thread about VRIs Triad, but in any case, the VRIs that I have experienced have not been related to earthquakes at all...


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Posted 27 July 2009 - 02:03 AM

Well earth-quakes induce objective directional flips.

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 02:11 AM

View PostTriad, on Jul 27 2009, 03:03 AM, said:

Well earth-quakes induce objective directional flips.

Any thoughts?
VRIs are subjective though, meaning only the person themself sees their directional orientation flip around.

Although I would agree with a strong earthquake there would be some objective directional flips :) , they would involve relative movement between the person and surroundings...

VRIs happen in an instant, and the person and surroundings stay exactly the same relative to one another, but flipped in orientation relative to the start and end positions.


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Posted 27 July 2009 - 02:24 AM

An illusion is an experience in disorientation.

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 02:32 AM

View PostTriad, on Jul 27 2009, 03:24 AM, said:

An illusion is an experience in disorientation.
Well there is a disorientation involved, but there is also an awareness that one is facing a new direction after a VRI flip.

The disorientation part comes in because one's bearings of North, South, East and West have also been flipped around.

For me the term "illusion" is a misnomer.

There are four different ways that one can view their surroundings in here on earth, and that involves a possible "reality" of directions within space that exist to enable this.

By the way, have you ever experienced a VRI yourself Triad?

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 02:45 AM

View PostHugh, on Jul 26 2009, 10:32 PM, said:

Well there is a disorientation involved, but there is also an awareness that one is facing a new direction after a VRI flip.

The disorientation part comes in because one's bearings of North, South, East and West have also been flipped around.

For me the term "illusion" is a misnomer.

There are four different ways that one can view their surroundings in here on earth, and that involves a possible "reality" of directions within space that exist to enable this.

By the way, have you ever experienced a VRI yourself Triad?



Given the disorientation the person is lost momentarily and then becomes reoriented by sensory stimuli.

Most do not use the earths magnetic field as a reference.

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 02:49 AM

View PostTriad, on Jul 27 2009, 03:45 AM, said:

Given the disorientation the person is lost momentarily and then becomes reoriented by sensory stimuli.

Most do not use the earths magnetic field as a reference.

Any thoughts?
The earth's magnetic field does the flip as well with the VRI... everything flips with a VRI... everything stays the same relative to the person and their surroundings.

But, if you're originally facing North and perform a 180 degree VRI, you are now still facing North, but in a direction that used to be South in the original viewpoint.


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Posted 27 July 2009 - 02:59 AM

One simple test to see if a person is capable of being a fighter pilot is, to have them run about 100 feet and then stand in place and turn in a circle (in place) for 2 minutes. At that point they must walk back where to where they originally began.

I mean if one is going to become disoriented how is what your suggesting better?

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 04:11 AM

View PostTriad, on Jul 27 2009, 03:59 AM, said:

I mean if one is going to become disoriented how is what your suggesting better?

Any thoughts?

PS: Just trying to understand.
I appreciate that you're trying to understand, thanks. :)

The VRI involves a perception of orientational direction change.

North is in front of me, then the VRI happens, then North is still in front of me but is now in the opposite direction to where it was before.

There is an awareness here, although it does involve disorientation, there is an awareness of a new orientation, that's the difference between this and simple confusion.

When I'm in a movie theater and I do a 180 degree VRI, I know that everything has flipped completely around in an instant.

I can discuss more of how to do a theater VRI flip if anyone is interested... it's the easiest place to do a VRI...  :)


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Posted 27 July 2009 - 10:29 AM

View PostHugh, on Jul 27 2009, 12:50 AM, said:

Anyone here ever get their bearings turned around and experience what is known as a Visual Reorientation Illusion (VRI)?

It's when everything around you, including you, experience an instant rotation of your directional bearings - either 90 degrees to the right or left, or 180 degrees completely around.
Hi Hugh

Just read the entire post. great diagram btw :yes:

Anyhoo...........I think I have experienced something similar but I can say - on a very rare occasion..   For instance, I walk out of a building or turn a corner and everything seems to be backwards, things in the wrong place from what I remember.  I feel disorientated so I turn around to see where I am, and when I turn right back again, then everything seems to be familiar.  But Hugh that is the closest experience going on what you are describing.   Outer body experiences is something I felt I have had from I was a child...meaning all of a sudden, I could see the rest of the room from above and feel as though I was floating, but I doubt that is the same is it? NAHH  LOL

As I read on where you speak of standing facing north and then can see all directions in the same place etc...I don't think I have done this, nor could I control it and make myself do it

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 10:55 AM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on Jul 27 2009, 10:29 AM, said:

Hi Hugh

Just read the entire post. great diagram btw :yes:
Thanks! A picture is worth a thousand words. :)

View PostBeckys_Mom, on Jul 27 2009, 10:29 AM, said:

Anyhoo...........I think I have experienced something similar but I can say - on a very rare occasion..   For instance, I walk out of a building or turn a corner and everything seems to be backwards, things in the wrong place from what I remember.  I feel disorientated so I turn around to see where I am, and when I turn right back again, then everything seems to be familiar.  But Hugh that is the closest experience going on what you are describing.
This sounds like a VRI, the experience of an unfamiliar viewpoint, then a flip back to a familiar one.

It seems that we all have a "normal viewpoint" of our surroundings - everywhere we go we develop a "normal" directional bearing for each space.

Sometimes, let's say after coming up from a subway, or going around a long curve, that bearing gets turned around, and we see a familiar space in an unfamiliar orientation.

One thinks - "wait a minute - things should be the other way around" and then a VRI takes place and we say "okay, now I know exactly where I am!"

What's fascinating to me about the phenomenon is that you didn't actually move to another space, but with the flip you ended up seeing the same space from a completely different vantage point.

The fact that we can see our surroundings from different angles of viewpoint - usually one familiar one and three unfamiliar ones is something that I'm extremely interested in.

View PostBeckys_Mom, on Jul 27 2009, 10:29 AM, said:

As I read on where you speak of standing facing north and then can see all directions in the same place etc...I don't think I have done this, nor could I control it and make myself do it
With a VRI, one doesn't end up seeing in all directions in the same place, one only sees the same place from different directions.

When one experiences a 180 degree VRI for example, you don't end up seeing what's behind you, you end up seeing the same thing but from the direction that used to be behind you.

I hope this helps... :)


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Posted 27 July 2009 - 02:31 PM

Well this seems like an interesting topic going here, I've never experienced it so to say in 'real' life but I could tell you that, that is how you persieve the astral world... not all things mind you, but you explain only things I've seen while projecting, where everything is exactly backwards, or objects are seen from a side vantage point, though your looking directly to the front of it...

This is interesting to see what you mean by a VRI, I had no clue you could do this in a concious state...

A couple questions for you so I could find out more to what you mean... Like through your diagram you show that though you are facing the same object your "mental body objective location" is changed, where you think that it should actually be behind you... But yet the way you decribe it as though the object itself is moved and you are viewing it while standing infront of it, but seeing the side, or back of it... Could this be in anyway what you mean, or is it still an self objective 'rule'?

If you could explain this further that would be interesting, and post how you can mentaly do a VRI flip and see an object from the side, or back. I'm more asking this because I want to see if I could do it consciously, then while I'm projecting. This will help me read text, and even possibly percieve objects better... As in the astral realm everything is in a sort of 'flux' where everything is changing, your viewpoint is no longer vertical or horizontal but it traverse through space and time... An example to what I'm talking about would be lets say a ball with different thickness of lines and colors (though everything gets kind of 'greyed' out) when you view this ball you can see more than just the lines, colors, and texture of the ball (I can't really explain any more than that because its confuzing as it is). Anyhow you see it while projecting, and then when you wake up instead of the lines being horizontal or vertical the ball could be on an axis... Also another good example like I said before is writing, or text, even pictures. When you view any 2D object it will be mirrored and look like the writting on an ambulance, or trying to watch a TV or Movie backwards.... Its quite difficult to find out where you are other than landmarks (even these change and you could be seeing the past landmarks!! I've done it before!!)

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Posted 27 July 2009 - 03:21 PM

View PostG3N0M3, on Jul 27 2009, 02:31 PM, said:

A couple questions for you so I could find out more to what you mean... Like through your diagram you show that though you are facing the same object your "mental body objective location" is changed, where you think that it should actually be behind you... But yet the way you decribe it as though the object itself is moved and you are viewing it while standing infront of it, but seeing the side, or back of it... Could this be in anyway what you mean, or is it still an self objective 'rule'?
Thanks for your questions and interest G3N0M3.

The VRI doesn't allow one to see the side or back of an object, only the same front of it that is originally facing the viewer.

Looking at the original diagram, you can see that the front of the building flips around with the front of the viewer.

The viewer is still seeing the front, but it is from a different perpendicular (90 degree) or opposite (180 degree) direction.

So nothing "new" is seen in the visual field except it's from a "new" direction of vantage.

A similar instant flip is seen with a 2D Necker Cube, but with the VRI it happens in full 3D. :)





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