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#16    IamsSon

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1. Orthodox Judaism   (100%)    Books, etc.   Information link
2. Islam   (95%)    Books, etc.   Information link
3. Eastern Orthodox   (84%)    Books, etc.   Information link
4. Roman Catholic   (84%)    Books, etc.   Information link
5. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons)   (79%)    Books, etc.   Information link
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7. Mainline - Conservative Christian Protestant   (78%)    Books, etc.   Information link
8. Bahai   (75%)    Books, etc.   Information link
9. Jehovahs Witness   (73%)    Books, etc.   Information link
10. Reform Judaism   (67%)    Books, etc.   Information link
11. Orthodox Quaker - Religious Society of Friends   (62%)    Books, etc.   Information link
12. Mainline - Liberal Christian Protestants   (50%)    Books, etc.   Information link
13. Sikhism   (50%)    Books, etc.   Information link
14. Jainism   (42%)    Books, etc.   Information link
15. Liberal Quakers - Religious Society of Friends   (32%)    Books, etc.   Information link
16. Non-theist   (28%)    Books, etc.   Information link
17. Hinduism   (22%)    Books, etc.   Information link
18. Unitarian Universalism   (18%)    Books, etc.   Information link
19. Secular Humanism   (17%)    Books, etc.   Information link
20. Christian Science Church of Christ, Scientist   (14%)    Books, etc.   Information link
21. Mahayana Buddhism   (13%)    Books, etc.   Information link
22. Theravada Buddhism   (13%)    Books, etc.   Information link
23. Scientology   (11%)    Books, etc.   Information link
24. New Thought   (8%)    Books, etc.   Information link
25. Neo-Pagan   (2%)    Books, etc.   Information link
26. New Age   (2%)    Books, etc.   Information link
27. Taoism   (2%)    Books, etc.   Information link

According to this I should be an Orthodox Jew.  However, I did rate the quiz at 0 stars because several of what I consider keys to my spiritual walk are not properly represented in the quiz.

"But then with me that horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man's mind which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey's mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind?" - Charles Darwin, in a letter to William Graham on July 3, 1881

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 04:59 PM

View PostIamsSon, on Aug 11 2009, 03:59 AM, said:

Your Results:              Email Your Results (See link below this list)

1. Orthodox Judaism   (100%)    Books, etc.   Information link
2. Islam   (95%)    Books, etc.   Information link

3. Eastern Orthodox   (84%)    Books, etc.   Information link
4. Roman Catholic   (84%)    Books, etc.   Information link
5. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons)   (79%)    Books, etc.   Information link
6. Seventh Day Adventist   (79%)    Books, etc.   Information link
7. Mainline - Conservative Christian Protestant   (78%)    Books, etc.   Information link
8. Bahai   (75%)    Books, etc.   Information link
9. Jehovahs Witness   (73%)    Books, etc.   Information link
10. Reform Judaism   (67%)    Books, etc.   Information link
11. Orthodox Quaker - Religious Society of Friends   (62%)    Books, etc.   Information link
12. Mainline - Liberal Christian Protestants   (50%)    Books, etc.   Information link
13. Sikhism   (50%)    Books, etc.   Information link
14. Jainism   (42%)    Books, etc.   Information link
15. Liberal Quakers - Religious Society of Friends   (32%)    Books, etc.   Information link
16. Non-theist   (28%)    Books, etc.   Information link
17. Hinduism   (22%)    Books, etc.   Information link
18. Unitarian Universalism   (18%)    Books, etc.   Information link
19. Secular Humanism   (17%)    Books, etc.   Information link
20. Christian Science Church of Christ, Scientist   (14%)    Books, etc.   Information link
21. Mahayana Buddhism   (13%)    Books, etc.   Information link
22. Theravada Buddhism   (13%)    Books, etc.   Information link
23. Scientology   (11%)    Books, etc.   Information link
24. New Thought   (8%)    Books, etc.   Information link
25. Neo-Pagan   (2%)    Books, etc.   Information link
26. New Age   (2%)    Books, etc.   Information link
27. Taoism   (2%)    Books, etc.   Information link

According to this I should be an Orthodox Jew.  However, I did rate the quiz at 0 stars because several of what I consider keys to my spiritual walk are not properly represented in the quiz.

You did not like it, but it coincides with what the others say to you - that you are not a Christian. This test does not determine which church you belong to, but your concept of the world, and this one is not Christian at all, just has strong Christian element. Any religious doctrine has some grain of rationality in it, it is just many believers never get to it.


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Posted 10 August 2009 - 06:02 PM

View Postmarabod, on Aug 10 2009, 11:59 AM, said:

You did not like it, but it coincides with what the others say to you - that you are not a Christian. This test does not determine which church you belong to, but your concept of the world, and this one is not Christian at all, just has strong Christian element. Any religious doctrine has some grain of rationality in it, it is just many believers never get to it.
:lol:

Let's see:

  • I was created by God to be in communion with Him.
  • I have chosen to do things from a self-centered standpoint and that disrupted the link between me and God
  • The price for being self-centered is death/Without that link I am doomed to cease to exist when I die
  • There is nothing I can do now to repair that life-giving link
  • But God, provided the necessary repair through the death of Christ
  • Christ's death is sufficient to pay for ALL of the sins of ALL mankind, all we have to do is accept that sacrifice
  • I accepted His gift and now have a direct link to the Father, through the Holy Spirit

Sounds like a Christian to me.

Marabod, the "quiz" is not actually a scientific accurate tool.  You do understand that, don't you?

Edited by IamsSon, 10 August 2009 - 06:03 PM.

"But then with me that horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man's mind which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey's mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind?" - Charles Darwin, in a letter to William Graham on July 3, 1881

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 06:24 PM

View PostIamsSon, on Aug 11 2009, 06:02 AM, said:

:lol:

Let's see:

  • I was created by God to be in communion with Him.
  • I have chosen to do things from a self-centered standpoint and that disrupted the link between me and God
  • The price for being self-centered is death/Without that link I am doomed to cease to exist when I die
  • There is nothing I can do now to repair that life-giving link
  • But God, provided the necessary repair through the death of Christ
  • Christ's death is sufficient to pay for ALL of the sins of ALL mankind, all we have to do is accept that sacrifice
  • I accepted His gift and now have a direct link to the Father, through the Holy Spirit

Sounds like a Christian to me.

Marabod, the "quiz" is not actually a scientific accurate tool.  You do understand that, don't you?

Of course not an accurate tool. But it still gives the idea. Note, that the points you have formulated, DIFFER from the points of Nicene Creed, so you express the Symbol of Faith DIFFERENT fro the Christian one - and only to YOU it sounds Christian enough. This is not to insult you at all, this is just a fact, because a Christian in the same circumstances would've posted the Nicene Creed.


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Posted 10 August 2009 - 06:29 PM

1.  Secular Humanism   (100%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
2.  Unitarian Universalism   (98%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
3.  Liberal Quakers - Religious Society of Friends   (90%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
4.  Non-theist   (72%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
5.  Mainline - Liberal Christian Protestants   (71%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
6.  Neo-Pagan   (67%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
7.  New Age   (67%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
8.  Theravada Buddhism   (67%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
9.  Reform Judaism   (59%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
10.  Orthodox Quaker - Religious Society of Friends   (57%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
11.  Taoism   (55%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
12.  Sikhism   (50%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
13.  Mahayana Buddhism   (49%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
14.  Scientology   (48%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
15.  New Thought   (47%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
16.  Jainism   (45%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
17.  Christian Science Church of Christ, Scientist   (37%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
18.  Bahai   (33%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
19.  Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons)   (29%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
20.  Hinduism   (28%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
21.  Orthodox Judaism   (27%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
22.  Islam   (23%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
23.  Mainline - Conservative Christian Protestant   (21%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
24.  Seventh Day Adventist   (19%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
25.  Eastern Orthodox   (13%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
26.  Jehovahs Witness   (13%)    Books, etc.   Information link  
27.  Roman Catholic   (13%)    Books, etc.   Information link  

hmmmm...not sure what i should make of it.
fun quiz though.

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 06:41 PM

This was really neat. Im not sure what Reform Judaism is though...hmm...time to do some research!!! Hahha


        1. Reform Judaism   (100%)    Books, etc.   Information link
2. Orthodox Quaker - Religious Society of Friends   (99%)    Books, etc.   Information link
3. Liberal Quakers - Religious Society of Friends   (97%)    Books, etc.   Information link
4. Mainline - Liberal Christian Protestants   (94%)    Books, etc.   Information link
5. Mainline - Conservative Christian Protestant   (85%)    Books, etc.   Information link
6. Islam   (81%)    Books, etc.   Information link
7. Orthodox Judaism   (81%)    Books, etc.   Information link
8. Seventh Day Adventist   (73%)    Books, etc.   Information link
9. Unitarian Universalism   (71%)    Books, etc.   Information link
10. Bahai   (71%)    Books, etc.   Information link
11. Eastern Orthodox   (64%)    Books, etc.   Information link
12. Roman Catholic   (64%)    Books, etc.   Information link
13. Neo-Pagan   (62%)    Books, etc.   Information link
14. Jainism   (59%)    Books, etc.   Information link
15. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons)   (58%)    Books, etc.   Information link
16. Secular Humanism   (56%)    Books, etc.   Information link
17. Sikhism   (56%)    Books, etc.   Information link
18. New Age   (52%)    Books, etc.   Information link
19. New Thought   (49%)    Books, etc.   Information link
20. Mahayana Buddhism   (45%)    Books, etc.   Information link
21. Hinduism   (42%)    Books, etc.   Information link
22. Non-theist   (41%)    Books, etc.   Information link
23. Jehovahs Witness   (40%)    Books, etc.   Information link
24. Christian Science Church of Christ, Scientist   (39%)    Books, etc.   Information link
25. Theravada Buddhism   (37%)    Books, etc.   Information link
26. Taoism   (33%)    Books, etc.   Information link
27. Scientology   (33%)    Books, etc.   Information link

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 06:41 PM

View PostIamsSon, on Aug 10 2009, 07:02 PM, said:

:lol:

Let's see:

  • I was created by God to be in communion with Him.
  • I have chosen to do things from a self-centered standpoint and that disrupted the link between me and God
  • The price for being self-centered is death/Without that link I am doomed to cease to exist when I die
  • There is nothing I can do now to repair that life-giving link
  • But God, provided the necessary repair through the death of Christ
  • Christ's death is sufficient to pay for ALL of the sins of ALL mankind, all we have to do is accept that sacrifice
  • I accepted His gift and now have a direct link to the Father, through the Holy Spirit

Sounds like a Christian to me.

Marabod, the "quiz" is not actually a scientific accurate tool.  You do understand that, don't you?

why exactly?
not going to touch on the other parts of the post.

the truth is out there....

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 06:52 PM

1. Mahayana Buddhism   (100%)    Books, etc.   Information link
2. New Age   (94%)    Books, etc.   Information link
3. Taoism   (91%)    Books, etc.   Information link
4. Hinduism   (88%)    Books, etc.   Information link
5. New Thought   (87%)    Books, etc.   Information link
6. Theravada Buddhism   (85%)    Books, etc.   Information link
7. Unitarian Universalism   (84%)    Books, etc.   Information link
8. Jainism   (81%)    Books, etc.   Information link
9. Christian Science Church of Christ, Scientist   (81%)    Books, etc.   Information link
10. Liberal Quakers - Religious Society of Friends   (80%)    Books, etc.   Information link
11. Scientology   (77%)    Books, etc.   Information link
12. Neo-Pagan   (68%)    Books, etc.   Information link
13. Sikhism   (65%)    Books, etc.   Information link
14. Mainline - Liberal Christian Protestants   (59%)    Books, etc.   Information link
15. Orthodox Quaker - Religious Society of Friends   (56%)    Books, etc.   Information link
16. Secular Humanism   (54%)    Books, etc.   Information link
17. Bahai   (50%)    Books, etc.   Information link
18. Reform Judaism   (45%)    Books, etc.   Information link
19. Orthodox Judaism   (43%)    Books, etc.   Information link
20. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons)   (39%)    Books, etc.   Information link
21. Jehovahs Witness   (39%)    Books, etc.   Information link
22. Islam   (36%)    Books, etc.   Information link
23. Mainline - Conservative Christian Protestant   (35%)    Books, etc.   Information link
24. Non-theist   (33%)    Books, etc.   Information link
25. Seventh Day Adventist   (31%)    Books, etc.   Information link
26. Eastern Orthodox   (26%)    Books, etc.   Information link
27. Roman Catholic   (26%)    Books, etc.   Information link

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 07:57 PM

View PostIamsSon, on Aug 10 2009, 07:02 PM, said:

:lol:

Let's see:

  • I was created by God to be in communion with Him.
  • I have chosen to do things from a self-centered standpoint and that disrupted the link between me and God
  • The price for being self-centered is death/Without that link I am doomed to cease to exist when I die
  • There is nothing I can do now to repair that life-giving link
  • But God, provided the necessary repair through the death of Christ
  • Christ's death is sufficient to pay for ALL of the sins of ALL mankind, all we have to do is accept that sacrifice
  • I accepted His gift and now have a direct link to the Father, through the Holy Spirit

Sounds like a Christian to me.

Marabod, the "quiz" is not actually a scientific accurate tool.  You do understand that, don't you?

No it sounds Old Testament so it is like Orthodox Judaism.

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 08:04 PM

View Postmarabod, on Aug 10 2009, 01:24 PM, said:

Of course not an accurate tool. But it still gives the idea. Note, that the points you have formulated, DIFFER from the points of Nicene Creed, so you express the Symbol of Faith DIFFERENT fro the Christian one - and only to YOU it sounds Christian enough. This is not to insult you at all, this is just a fact, because a Christian in the same circumstances would've posted the Nicene Creed.
As several Christians have pointed out, the Nicene Creed is not God's official check list or anything.  I don't see anything wrong with it, mind you, but if someone told me that I had to sign a copy of it, or swear to it in order to be confirmed as a Christian I would immediately renounce the title of Christian and simply keep the personal relationship with God.

View PostAgent. Mulder, on Aug 10 2009, 01:41 PM, said:

why exactly?
not going to touch on the other parts of the post.
Can you expand your question, I'm not really understanding what you're asking.

"But then with me that horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man's mind which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey's mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind?" - Charles Darwin, in a letter to William Graham on July 3, 1881

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 08:10 PM

View PostIamsSon, on Aug 10 2009, 09:04 PM, said:

As several Christians have pointed out, the Nicene Creed is not God's official check list or anything.  I don't see anything wrong with it, mind you, but if someone told me that I had to sign a copy of it, or swear to it in order to be confirmed as a Christian I would immediately renounce the title of Christian and simply keep the personal relationship with God.


Can you expand your question, I'm not really understanding what you're asking.
Thats interesting so really you would have your own religion then?  Sounds like the view of most people who aren't religious - you know?  An innocuous view of God and their own idea of it.

If you were trying to convert someone to your religion and they decided instead to join a catholic church.. what would you think?

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 08:23 PM

View PostOriana, on Aug 10 2009, 03:10 PM, said:

Thats interesting so really you would have your own religion then?  Sounds like the view of most people who aren't religious - you know?  An innocuous view of God and their own idea of it.
I think in a way I already have my own "religion" since my relationship with God is not dependent on anyone else or the approval of any organization.  But I believe my "view" of God is held by many, including several members of UM, and I believe it to be reflected in the Bible.


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If you were trying to convert someone to your religion and they decided instead to join a catholic church.. what would you think?
I'm not really interested in convincing someone to go to the same church I go to, if that is what you mean by converting someone.  I'm interested in sharing God's love with them, letting them know about God's gift of forgiveness and eternal life through Christ.  Where they choose to attend church is, as far as I'm concerned, up to them as the Holy Spirit guides them.

Edited by IamsSon, 10 August 2009 - 08:23 PM.

"But then with me that horrid doubt always arises whether the convictions of man's mind which has been developed from the mind of the lower animals, are of any value or at all trustworthy. Would any one trust in the convictions of a monkey's mind, if there are any convictions in such a mind?" - Charles Darwin, in a letter to William Graham on July 3, 1881

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Posted 10 August 2009 - 08:54 PM

View PostIamsSon, on Aug 11 2009, 08:04 AM, said:

As several Christians have pointed out, the Nicene Creed is not God's official check list or anything.  I don't see anything wrong with it, mind you, but if someone told me that I had to sign a copy of it, or swear to it in order to be confirmed as a Christian I would immediately renounce the title of Christian and simply keep the personal relationship with God.

Who are these "several Christians"? By the definition, if they discard nicene creed they are not Christians then! And who ever said NC is a god's checklist? It is only a Symbol of Christian Faith - it does not say all other religions are wrong somehow, it only defines what sort of religion is Christianity itself. Normally if someone disagrees with the Creed, this person cuts the ties with Christianity by this. And no one of the Christians think this person goes to hell, as the Creed does not say anything about Hell, it says of the Resurrection of the Dead (obviously to oppose this to Reincarnation).

I know you want to call and consider yourself Christian - but this is one part only, the other part is when the OTHER CHRISTIANS would consider you one with them. It is not enough to proclaim oneself Napoleon to be Napoleon!


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Posted 10 August 2009 - 09:14 PM

This is heresy! The lords of Asgard are not pleased as they were found not on this list!

Worshippers of Thor, Son of Odin, god of thunder and lightning ftw. lol

Edited by SpiderCyde, 10 August 2009 - 09:19 PM.


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Posted 10 August 2009 - 10:06 PM

Iamson, I think I can give you one clear point of difference between your teaching and the teaching of Christianity, and this difference would explain why do you tend to preach.

This relates to what the religions actually promise. Your religion promises you Heavens for you following it and threatens with Hell for you not to follow it. You are in a sort of covenant with god throu8gh this religion - you comply, heavens is guaranteed. You are perhaps a good and kind person, so you wish the same for the other people - for them to enter the same Covenant and get to Heavens.

Christianity does not have such Covenant. It does not guarantee its followers to get to Heavens. Christianity believes that the people would be judged after Resurrection, and judged by their DEEDS, not by their beliefs. Traditional Christianity in general actually allows for anyone to get to Heavens - Muslims, Atheists, Pagans and even heretics like yourself, - provided their deeds were rightful. They always remember the Good Samaritan case. no one is judged by the faith, but by the deeds only. When Christians say a non-follower may go to Hell, they only mean that by refusing to use Christian guidelines he/she increases the risk of own wrongdoings, no more - this is not a threat like in your case.

For the followers Christianity offers only the OPPORTUNITY to decrease the numbers of personal sins and wrongdoings by following the teaching of Jesus, but in no way a warranty of salvation. Christianity is about the HOPE to be saved by means of following Christ - your religion talks about the warranty. There is no such Christian which lives being assured that he goes to Heavens after death, this would be seen as self-deceiving.

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