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#31    Agent. Mulder

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Posted 28 September 2009 - 02:01 AM

View Postdanydandan, on 28 September 2009 - 12:06 AM, said:

Good video and all
I liked it up until he gave his own conclusion about the bible
Like he says the bible is 100 percent right regarding prophecies
The bible is a book nothing more nothing less

i very much agree.
many of its 'prophecies' are BS, and way off, or never happened. BUT, people say 'its not that the prophecy isnt true, it just means it hasnt happened yet'. thats garbage.
the bible is a book, helpful to many, but meant to read metaphorically, and no different than any other religion.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 06:57 PM

Science is never right, because science will never be set in stone... Your wrong, I'm right...
If you think that something does not exist, than fire did not exist, nor did electricity...

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 07:50 PM

this video proves nothing really.

it goes into the same bin of all the other predictions crap

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 08:06 PM

View PostAgent. Mulder, on 28 September 2009 - 02:01 AM, said:

i very much agree.
many of its 'prophecies' are BS, and way off, or never happened. BUT, people say 'its not that the prophecy isnt true, it just means it hasnt happened yet'. thats garbage.
the bible is a book, helpful to many, but meant to read metaphorically, and no different than any other religion.
its prophecies are bs to us because we are reading them the wrong way. the prophecies are meant to comment on the state of society at that time, not to predict the future


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Posted 19 November 2009 - 08:11 PM

Proven?,,,,,how? December 12, 2012 is not yesterday yet.... we don't know what will happen till the date comes... we may either laugh or frantic, depend upon the situation... Based on the recent happenings in this world.. i think there's some changes that'll happen.. maybe its not o the exact date

PS... the sources you acquired is so optimistic but not conclusive .... so don't say its PROVEN.. because its not passed yet....

Edited by Pierce8, 19 November 2009 - 08:16 PM.


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Posted 19 November 2009 - 08:39 PM

View PostPierce8, on 19 November 2009 - 08:11 PM, said:

Proven?,,,,,how? December 12, 2012 is not yesterday yet.... we don't know what will happen till the date comes... we may either laugh or frantic, depend upon the situation... Based on the recent happenings in this world.. i think there's some changes that'll happen.. maybe its not o the exact date

PS... the sources you acquired is so optimistic but not conclusive .... so don't say its PROVEN.. because its not passed yet....

its proven to be bull...
did you not read all of it?  :hmm:
change always happens, thats a given, but not on the grand 2012 scale with sitchin and his conjecture and mistranslations.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 08:41 PM

View PostG3N0M3, on 19 November 2009 - 06:57 PM, said:

Science is never right, because science will never be set in stone... Your wrong, I'm right...
If you think that something does not exist, than fire did not exist, nor did electricity...

oh god.
youve demonstrated your lack of scientific knowledge before, please dont bring it to my thread. thanks.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 08:44 PM

View PostChad_Johnson, on 19 November 2009 - 07:50 PM, said:

this video proves nothing really.

it goes into the same bin of all the other predictions crap

...no johnson.
its science. disproving 2012. i assume you didnt watch the vid, but only read the thread title, otherwise you would know this.
please educate yourself on whats being discussed before you jump into the conversation. thanks bud.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 08:46 PM

View PostDrj312, on 19 November 2009 - 08:06 PM, said:

its prophecies are bs to us because we are reading them the wrong way. the prophecies are meant to comment on the state of society at that time, not to predict the future

no actually. theyre to predict future events, thats what a prophecy is.
besides many prophecies were supposed to happen back in their time, not ours. they didnt. ever. but we feel they do now, After they happen, and we try to make connections to them now. which is sad.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 10:28 PM

View PostAgent. Mulder, on 19 November 2009 - 08:46 PM, said:

no actually. theyre to predict future events, thats what a prophecy is.
besides many prophecies were supposed to happen back in their time, not ours. they didnt. ever. but we feel they do now, After they happen, and we try to make connections to them now. which is sad.
thats what a prophecy is now. not then. i'm attending a catholic university and you could talk to all of my professors if you want to continue to disagree...


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Posted 19 November 2009 - 10:39 PM

View PostDrj312, on 19 November 2009 - 10:28 PM, said:

thats what a prophecy is now. not then. i'm attending a catholic university and you could talk to all of my professors if you want to continue to disagree...

i could. theyd have no differing opinion than the religious folk on here.
a prephecy is basically a prediction of the future. many of which were supposed to happen in That time. example, the return of jesus was supposed to happen in that time. never did.

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 10:24 AM

It's been posted before, but lets post it again, so we have an overview of how many times, the earth as we know it, was supposed to end already. Then tell me again on how 2012 is so very different. And mind you that this list is most likely incomplete.

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ca. 2800 BC According to Isaac Asimov's Book of Facts (1979), an Assyrian clay tablet dating to approximately 2800 BC was unearthed bearing the words "Our earth is degenerate in these latter days. There are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end. Bribery and corruption are common." This is one of the earliest examples of the perception of moral decay in society being interpreted as a sign of the imminent end.

634 BC
Apocalyptic thinking gripped many ancient cultures, including the Romans. Early in Rome's history, many Romans feared that the city would be destroyed in the 120th year of its founding. There was a myth that 12 eagles had revealed to Romulus a mystical number representing the lifetime of Rome, and some early Romans hypothesized that each eagle represented 10 years. The Roman calendar was counted from the founding of Rome, 1 AUC (ab urbe condita) being 753 BC. Thus 120 AUC is 634 BC. (Thompson p.19)

389 BC
Some Romans figured that the mystical number revealed to Romulus represented the number of days in a year (the Great Year concept), so they expected Rome to be destroyed around 365 AUC (389 BC). (Thompson p.19)

1st Century
Jesus said, "Verily I say unto you, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." (Matthew 16:28) This implies that the Second Coming would return within the lifetime of his contemporaries, and indeed the Apostles expected Jesus to return before the passing of their generation.

ca. 70
The Essenes, a sect of Jewish ascetics with apocalyptic beliefs, may have seen the Jewish revolt against the Romans in 66-70 as the final end-time battle. (Source: PBS Frontline special Apocalypse!)

2nd Century
The Montanists believed that Christ would come again within their lifetimes and establish a new Jerusalem at Pepuza, in the land of Phrygia. Montanism was perhaps the first bona fide Christian doomsday cult. It was founded ca. 156 AD by the tongues-speaking prophet Montanus and two followers, Priscilla and Maximilla. Despite the failure of Jesus to return, the cult lasted for several centuries. Tertullian, who once said "I believe it just because it is unbelievable" (a true skeptic if ever there was one!), was perhaps the most renowned Montanist. (Gould p.43-44)

247
Rome celebrated its thousandth anniversary this year. At the same time, the Roman government dramatically increased its persecution of Christians, so much so that many Christians believed that the End had arrived. (Source: PBS Frontline special Apocalypse!)

365
Hilary of Poitiers predicted the world would end in 365. (Source: Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance)

380
The Donatists, a North African Christian sect headed by Tyconius, looked forward to the world ending in 380. (Source: American Atheists)

Late 4th Century
St. Martin of Tours (ca. 316-397) wrote, "There is no doubt that the Antichrist has already been born. Firmly established already in his early years, he will, after reaching maturity, achieve supreme power." (Abanes p.119)

500
***Roman theologian Sextus Julius Africanus (ca. 160-240) claimed that the End would occur 6000 years after the Creation. He assumed that there were 5531 years between the Creation and the Resurrection, and thus expected the Second Coming to take place no later than 500 AD. (Kyle p.37, McIver #21)
***Hippolytus (died ca. 236), believing that Christ would return 6000 years after the Creation, anticipated the Parousia in 500 AD. (Abanes p.283)
***The theologian Irenaeus, influenced by Hippolytus's writings, also saw 500 as the year of the Second Coming. (Abanes p.283, McIver #15)

Apr 6, 793
Elipandus, bishop of Toledo, described a brief bout of end-time panic that happened on Easter Eve, 793. According to Elipandus, the Spanish monk Beatus of Liébana prophesied the end of the world that day in the presence a crowd of people. The people, thinking that the world would end that night, became frightened, panicked, and fasted through the night until dawn. Seeing that the world had not ended and feeling hungry, Hordonius, one of the fasters, quipped, "Let's eat and drink, so that if we die at least we'll be fed." (Abanes p. 168-169, Weber p.50)

800
Sextus Julius Africanus revised the date of Doomsday to 800 AD. (Kyle p.37)
Beatus of Liébana wrote in his Commentary on the Apocalypse, which he finished in 786, that there were only 14 years left until the end of the world. Thus, the world would end by 800 at the latest. (Abanes p.168)

806
Bishop Gregory of Tours calculated the End occurring between 799 and 806. (Weber p.48)

848
The prophetess Thiota declared that the world would end this year. (Abanes p.337)
Mar 25, 970 Lotharingian computists foresaw the End on Friday, March 25, 970, when the Annunciation and Good Friday fell on the same day. They believed that it was on this day that Adam was created, Isaac was sacrificed, the Red Sea was parted, Jesus was conceived, and Jesus was crucified. Therefore, it naturally followed that the End must occur on this day! (Source: Center for Millennial Studies)

992
Bernard of Thuringia calculated that the end would come in 992. (Randi p.236)

995
The Feast of the Annunciation and Good Friday also coincided in 992, prompting some mystics to conclude that the world would end within 3 years of that date. (Weber p.50-51)

1000
There are many stories of apocalyptic paranoia around the year 1000. For example, legend has it that a "panic terror" gripped Europe in the years and months before this date. However, scholars disagree on which stories are genuine, whether millennial expectations at this time were any greater than usual, or whether ordinary people were even aware of what year it was. An excellent article on Y1K apocalyptic expectations can be found at the Center for Millennial Studies. (Gould, Schwartz, Randi)

1033
After Jesus failed to return in 1000, some mystics pushed the date of the End to the thousandth anniversary of the Crucifixion. The writings of the Burgundian monk Radulfus Glaber described a rash of millennial paranoia during the period from 1000-1033. (Kyle p.39, Abanes p.337, McIver #50)

1184
Various Christian prophets foresaw the Antichrist coming in 1184. (Abanes p.338)
Sep 23, 1186 John of Toledo, after calculating that a planetary alignment would occur in Libra on September 23, 1186 (Julian calendar), circulated a letter (known as the "Letter of Toledo") warning that the world was to going to be destroyed on this date, and that only a few people would survive. (Randi p.236)

1260
Italian mystic Joachim of Fiore (1135-1202) determined that the Millennium would begin between 1200 and 1260. (Kyle p.48)

1284
Pope Innocent III expected the Second Coming to take place in 1284, 666 years after the rise of Islam. (Schwartz p.181)

1290 Followers of Joachim of Fiore (the Joachites) rescheduled the End to 1290 when his 1260 prophecy failed. (McIver #58)

1306 In 1147 Gerard of Poehlde, believing that Christ's Millennium began when the emperor Constantine came to power, figured that Satan would become unbound at the end of the thousand-year period and destroy the Church. Since Constantine rose to power in 306, the end of the Millennium would be in 1306. (Source: Christian author Richard J. Foster)

1335 Another Joachite doomsday date. (McIver #58)

1367 Czech archdeacon Militz of Kromeriz claimed the Antichrist was alive and well and would manifest himself between 1363 and 1367. The End would come between 1365 and 1367. (McIver #67)

1370 The Millennium would begin in 1368 or 1370, as foreseen by Jean de Roquetaillade, a French ascetic. The Antichrist was to come in 1366. (Weber p.55)

1378 Arnold of Vilanova, a Joachite, wrote in his work De Tempore Adventu Antichristi that the Antichrist was to come in 1378. (McIver #62)

Feb 14, 1420 Czech Doomsday prophet Martinek Hausha (Martin Huska) of the radical Taborite movement warned that the world would end in February 1420, February 14 at the latest. The Taborites were an offshoot of the Hussite movement of Bohemia. (McIver #71, Shaw p.43)

1496 The beginning of the Millennium, according to some 15th Century mystics. (Mann p. ix)
ca. 1504 Italian artist Sandro Botticelli wrote a caption in Greek on his painting The Mystical Nativity:
"I Sandro painted this picture at the end of the year 1500 in the troubles of Italy in the half time after the time according to the eleventh chapter of St. John in the second woe of the Apocalypse in the loosing of the devil for three and a half years. Then he will be chained in the 12th chapter and we shall see him trodden down as in this picture."
Apparently, he thought he was living during the Tribulation, and that the Millennium would begin in three and a half years or so, which is understandable given the fact that he is known to have been a follower of Girolamo Savonarola. (Weber p.60)

Feb 1, 1524 The End would occur by a flood starting in London on February 1 (Julian), according to calculations some London astrologers made the previous June. Around 20,000 people abandoned their homes, and a clergyman stockpiled food and water in a fortress he built. (Sound familiar? It's just like the doomsday cultists and Y2K nuts of today!) As it happened, it didn't even rain in London on that date. (Randi p.236-237)

Feb 20, 1524 A planetary alignment in Pisces was seen as a sign of the Millennium by astrologer Johannes Stoeffler. The world was to be destroyed by a flood on this date (Julian), Pisces being a water sign. (Randi p.236-237)

1525 The beginning of the Millennium, according to Anabaptist Thomas Müntzer. Thinking that he was living at the "end of all ages," he led an unsuccessful peasants' revolt and was subsequently tortured and executed. (Gould p.48)

1528 Stoeffler recalculated Doomsday to 1528 after his 1524 prediction failed (Randi p.238)
May 27, 1528 Reformer Hans Hut predicted the end would occur on Pentecost (May 27, Julian calendar). (Weber p.67, Shaw p.44)

1532 Frederick Nausea (what a name!), a Viennese bishop, was certain that the world would end in 1532 after hearing reports of bizarre occurrences, including bloody crosses appearing in the sky alongside a comet. (Randi p. 238)

1533 Anabaptist prophet Melchior Hoffman's prediction for the year of Christ's Second Coming, to take place in Strasbourg. He claimed that 144,000 people would be saved, while the rest of the world would be consumed by fire. (Kyle p.59)

Oct 19, 1533 Mathematician Michael Stifel calculated that the Day of Judgement would begin at 8:00am on this day. (McIver #88)

Apr 5, 1534 Jan Matthys predicted that the Apocalypse would take place on Easter Day (April 5, Julian calendar) and only the city of Münster would be spared. (Shaw p.45, Abanes p.338)

1537 French astrologer Pierre Turrel announced four different possible dates for the end of the world, using four different calculation methods. The dates were 1537, 1544, 1801 and 1814. (Randi p. 239)

1544 Pierre Turrel's doomsday calculation #2. (Randi p. 239)

ca. 1555 Around the year 1400, the French theologian Pierre d'Ailly wrote that 6845 years of human history had already passed, and the end of the world would be in the 7000th year. His works would later influence the apocalyptic thinking of Christopher Columbus. (McIver #72)

Jul 22, 1556 In 1556, a rumor was circulating that the world would end on Magdalene's Day, as recorded by Swiss medical student Felix Platter. (Weber p.68, p.249)

Apr 28, 1583 The Second Coming of Christ would take place at noon, according to astrologer Richard Harvey. This was the date of a conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn, and numerous astrologers in London predicted the world would end then. (Skinner p.27, Weber p.93)

1584 Cyprian Leowitz, an astrologer, predicted the end would occur in 1584. (Randi p.239, McIver #105)

1588 The end of the world according to the sage Johann Müller (aka Regiomontanus). (Randi p. 239)

1600 Martin Luther believed that the End would occur no later than 1600. (Weber p.66)

1603 Dominican monk Tomasso Campanella wrote that the sun would collide with the Earth in 1603. (Weber p.83)

1623 Eustachius Poyssel used numerology to pinpoint 1623 as the year of the end of the world. (McIver #125)

Feb 1, 1624 The same astrologers who predicted the deluge of February 1, 1524 recalculated the date to February 1, 1624 after their first prophecy failed. (Randi p.236-237)

1648 Using the kabbalah, Sabbatai Zevi, a rabbi from Smyrna, Turkey, figured that the Messiah would come in 1648, accompanied by miracles. The Messiah, of course, would be Zevi himself! (Randi p.239, Festinger)

1654 In 1578, physician Helisaeus Roeslin of Alsace, basing his prediction on a nova that occurred in 1572, foresaw the world ending in 1654 in a blaze of fire. (Randi p.240)

1656 Believed to be a possible date for the end of the world, 1656 is the number of years between the Creation and the Flood. (Skinner p.27)

1657 Final apocalyptic battle and the destruction of the Antichrist were to take place between 1655 and 1657, as per the Fifth Monarchy Men, a radical group of English millenarians who attempted to take over Parliament to impose their extremist theocratic agenda on the country. Not unlike the Christian Coalition of modern-day America! (Kyle p.67)

1658 In his The Book of Prophecies, Christopher Columbus claimed that the world was created in 5343BC, and would last 7000 years. Assuming no year zero, that means the end would come in 1658. Columbus was influenced by Pierre d'Ailly. (McIver #77)

1660 Joseph Mede, whose writings influenced James Ussher and Isaac Newton, claimed that the Antichrist appeared way back in 456, and the end would come in 1660. (McIver #147)

1666 As this date is 1000 (millennium) + 666 (number of the Beast) and followed a period of war and strife in England, many Londoners feared that 1666 would be the end of the world. The Great Fire of London in 1666 did not help to alleviate these fears. (Schwartz p.87, Kyle p.67-68)
Sabbatai Zevi recalculated the coming of the Messiah to 1666. Despite his failed prophecies, he had accumulated a great many followers. He was later arrested for stirring up trouble, and given the choice of converting to Islam or execution. Pragmatic man that he was, he wisely elected for the former. (Festinger)

1673 Deacon William Aspinwall, a leader of the Fifth Monarchy movement, claimed the Millennium would begin by this year. (Abanes p.209, McIver #174)

1688 John Napier's doomsday calculation #1, based on the Book of Revelation. Napier was the mathematician who discovered logarithms. (Weber p.92)

1689 Pierre Jurieu, a Camisard prophet, predicted that Judgement Day would occur in 1689. The Camisards were Huguenots of the Languedoc region of southern France. (Kyle p.70)

1694 Anglican rector John Mason calculated this date as the beginning of the Millennium. (Kyle p.72)
The beginning of the Millennium, as predicted by German theologian Johann Alsted. (Kyle p.66)

Fall 1694 Drawing from theology and astrology, German prophet Johann Jacob Zimmerman determined that the world would end in the fall of 1694. Zimmerman gathered a group of pilgrims and made plans to go to America to welcome Jesus back to Earth. However, he died in February of that year, on the very day of departure. Johannes Kelpius took over leadership of the cult, which was known as Woman in the Wilderness, and they completed their journey to the New World. Fall came and went and, needless to say, the cultists were profoundly disappointed at having traveled all the way across the Atlantic just to be stood up by Jesus. (Cohen p.19-20)

1697
The beginning of the Millennium, according to Anglican rector Thomas Beverly. (Kyle p.72, McIver #224)
The notorious witch hunter Cotton Mather was the Ken Starr of Puritan New England. When he wasn't out hunting witches, he was busy predicting the end of the world, 1697 being his first doomsdate. After the prediction failed, he revised the date of the End two more times. (Abanes p.338)

1700 The end of the world, according to some Puritans. (Kyle p.79)
John Napier's doomsday calculation #2, based on the Book of Daniel. (Weber p.92)
The date of the Second Coming, according to Henry Archer, a Fifth Monarchy Man. Archer made this prediction in his 1642 book The Personall Reign of Christ Upon Earth. (McIver #158)


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Posted 20 November 2009 - 04:52 PM

View PostTheSearcher, on 20 November 2009 - 10:24 AM, said:

It's been posted before, but lets post it again, so we have an overview of how many times, the earth as we know it, was supposed to end already. Then tell me again on how 2012 is so very different. And mind you that this list is most likely incomplete.

exactly Searcher.
just annother example of why 2012 is proven to be bull.

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 05:44 PM

Now let me clear this up;  is that proof that the end of the world was actually claimed to be coming by the person quoted, or is it, as it is now with 2012, the recorder/chronicler interpreting it that way because people will find it much more interesting than what is really being said...

How many times?  End of the world, 2012, not going to happen, no-one who actually read the prophecies and background, who actually did the background shovel-work, has ever said that 2012 is the End.  No, the media, Hollywood and so on try to sell us the belief that the End of the World was predicted when it never was........actually take time to read the material, not on the internet, but in real books and see what was really said rather than relying wholly on reported speech and hearsay.

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 05:49 PM

View Posttinieblas, on 20 November 2009 - 05:44 PM, said:

Now let me clear this up;  is that proof that the end of the world was actually claimed to be coming by the person quoted, or is it, as it is now with 2012, the recorder/chronicler interpreting it that way because people will find it much more interesting than what is really being said...

How many times?  End of the world, 2012, not going to happen, no-one who actually read the prophecies and background, who actually did the background shovel-work, has ever said that 2012 is the End.  No, the media, Hollywood and so on try to sell us the belief that the End of the World was predicted when it never was........actually take time to read the material, not on the internet, but in real books and see what was really said rather than relying wholly on reported speech and hearsay.

people dont do that. especially since friggin hollywood got a hold of it. now its 'fact'. Ugh.

the truth is out there....




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