[Abramelin]

Qoais, on 20 November 2009 - 05:20 AM, said:

Why IS their artwork so ugly anyway? It's almost like they deliberately made everyone's face super ugly. And squat. They weren't short squat people so why this depiction? Did they honor dwarfs?

It is very probably a traditional way of sculpting and painting. Maybe they could do 'better', but out of respect for their traditions they created art the traditional - and for you - the ugly way.

[Abramelin]

lakeview rud, on 19 November 2009 - 09:35 PM, said:

Folks, I also congratulate you on your ability to envision an atlatl and a shaman stick out of what is pictured. I hope that helps with your further theories. I would suggest that its equally possible that since the dude is carved in stone above the great doorway at Tiwanaku in the midst of some monumental stonework that he might be holding some instruments used in its construction. Really we are all speculating without any proof but it was fun! On to the next thread....

Heh, it was just my impresession, but - like I found out later - I wasn't the first to think of that atlatl.

I checked the pics I made of that ceremonial spear/shaman stick I have, and I don't think they are clear enough to prove my point (I won't give up though). But the snake crawling up that stick immediately made me think of that 'thunderbolt' in Viracocha's right hand.

And a bit more Googling told me that Viracocha has been called a 'shaman' by several other people. Of course that doesn't prove he is, but still.

Rud, it's putting pieces of a puzzle together; it's not just based on how Viracocha is being depicted, it's also the context.

[lakeview rud]

Agreed. I'm suggesting that if the dude's pictures are plastered all over the main entrance gate to the place including side views on either side of the main portrait that he might have some connection to its construction.
Picture say a "Wally's World" theme park with Wally's mug plastered all over the place.
And again, its all guesswork on my part so your theory may be equally valid.
It's just that when I look at the two items being held I see nothing more than a two-pronged stick pinned at one end in the left and a stick divided into increments in the right.

[Abramelin]

lakeview rud, on 20 November 2009 - 09:57 PM, said:

Agreed. I'm suggesting that if the dude's pictures are plastered all over the main entrance gate to the place including side views on either side of the main portrait that he might have some connection to its construction.
Picture say a "Wally's World" theme park with Wally's mug plastered all over the place.
And again, its all guesswork on my part so your theory may be equally valid.
It's just that when I look at the two items being held I see nothing more than a two-pronged stick pinned at one end in the left and a stick divided into increments in the right.

Of course it's guess work; the guys creating the site are as dead as dodos.

You see what I see, but I know a thing or two about Amazonian shamans, so I try to interpret what I see, based on what these people were doing back then: using drugs, trading with indians from the Amazon rain forest, and being hunters.

Then they thought:, let's build something in stone. OK, a sniff of ayahuasca and coke (they really DID), and they got going.

[Qoais]

Anybody I've seen stoned out of their gourd didn't "get going"!! They were already gone

[lakeview rud]

You're suggesting that if the USA repealed all its drug laws that we'd have some pretty freakin' incredible monuments!!! Best reason for repeal ever!

[Abramelin]

"Stoned"...you are talking about people using cannabis.Coke and ayahuasca have a quite different effect on your psyche.

(To Qoais that is, jeesh, you all post to fast for me)

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[Abramelin]

lakeview rud, on 20 November 2009 - 10:21 PM, said:

You're suggesting that if the USA repealed all its drug laws that we'd have some pretty freakin' incredible monuments!!! Best reason for repeal ever!

Hey, how you think we Dutch build all those fcking dikes??

[Qoais]

Come to think of it - we should see if Hawass can dig up some workers that slaved away on the pyramids so we can check to see if they were paid in poppy seeds or

[questionmark]

Qoais, on 20 November 2009 - 11:46 PM, said:

Come to think of it - we should see if Hawass can dig up some workers that slaved away on the pyramids so we can check to see if they were paid in poppy seeds or

There is Hashish that grows all over the Mediterranean, why would any worker slave away if they could go and just pick some.

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[TheSearcher]

Abramelin, on 20 November 2009 - 10:24 PM, said:

Hey, how you think we Dutch build all those fcking dikes??

Or houses like these

[Abramelin]

TheSearcher, on 20 November 2009 - 10:59 PM, said:

Or houses like these

And what about this:

[mcrom901]

mcrom901, on 04 November 2009 - 02:30 AM, said:

http://documents.the...t_languages.pdf

[Abramelin]

mcrom901, on 21 November 2009 - 10:22 AM, said:

http://documents.the...t_languages.pdf

The pdf has nothing to so with the plates you posted, mcrom901.

And do you know who first published about these 'Inca' plates??

http://thelastdaysof.../prophecy/?p=74

Let me tell you, this Padre maybe have been an honest man, but the guy who published about the gifts given to the Padre was 'less then honest'...

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I met Cabrera, an old military guy with an ego that would make the ancient Egyptian Pharaos look like whimps.

But I also met an artist in Peru, not far from Ica, who knew that people in his family and others created those stones depicting people playing with dinosaurs and all that. These people were as poor as church rats, and if they could (and can) earn a buck or two by creating socalled 'ancient artifacts', they will not hesitate to do so. The man I met was ANGRY about it: he almost shouted to me he was an honest man, earning his money by creating OFFICIALLY documented copies of ancient Inca art; he told me he was proud of his ancestors, but he hated it when people lied about his ancestors (the Incas, if you didn't get it by now). It was a huge guy, you did not want to mess with him; I bought one of his creations, a little clay flask, with a depiction of an Inca 'god of the winds' on the outside.

And according to the artist I met, these people - the frauds - just used kid's books about dinosaurs (that were all the books they could lay their hands on, poor as they were). Not one of the dinosaurs depicted in those 'Cabrera stones' is true to what dinosaurs actually looked like, but they did indeed resemble how we thought they looked, a long time ago.


If you want to know in what mood I went to Peru (1991), I will tell you I took a book, written by Zacharia Sitchin, "The Lost Realms", with me. I wanted it all to be true, but it just wasn't.

Sitchin, Von Daniken, Kosoko, and others just cooked up things they knew we all wanted to believe.

I was there , in Peru, and man, how disappointed I became. I felt lied to....but I realize it was just my gullible mind that wanted all of those stories about aliens and ancient super-civilizations to be true.



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