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Posted 04 November 2009 - 02:41 AM

Don't you find it rather odd that this is the only place on the web that talks about these images? At least in relation to the Inca, that is; I have no idea if they're genuine artifacts wrongly attributed to the Andean civilization, or just plain hoaxes. They do look very real, but I would guess that, if they were truly examples of Incan art, they would show up elsewhere.

Now, as the issue of information keeping among the Inca is a very fascinating one, here's a brief discussion of a possible subsitute for writing in the Andes: The Quipu/Khipu. :)

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 02:44 AM

more anomalies..... are these connected?

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Samaipata, Bolivia is 6500 feet above sea level and like a lot of archeological areas which are home to Incan ruins, is remote and inaccessable. The hard rock ground here has been chiseled and worked with various designs of geometric patterns, no mean feat with no 'modern' tools and in a place where the air is so thin, fires are hard to keep lit. No one knows who made these designs; they are said to have been here already when the local people came to this area. Paralell tracks can be found in many places, perfectly straight and even, starting in no particular place and often ending at the top of hills or mounds. The people who lived here long ago were farmers, so there's no reason to spend the amount of time all this carving must have taken on something that had no benefit to their lifestyle.


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Posted 04 November 2009 - 03:55 AM

View PostIkki, on 01 November 2009 - 05:52 AM, said:

Ugh.

Science is a method for finding facts, it is NOT a viewpoint.

Do you even know what the scientific method is?


Obviously those A-level science class left much to be desired.

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 04:30 AM

from the works of arthur posnansky..... describing two different time lines in regards to the construction....

The Two Different Periods in the Construction of Kalasasaya

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As is established in the corresponding chapter of the first volume, there are THREE PRINCIPAL PERIODS in Tihuanacu. One, extremely primitive and with its own characteristic features, to which there belongs, as a building exclusively of that period, the "Palace" or "Temple" marked "C" on the triangulation map of Tihuanacu inserted in that volume, (Plate 3). In this period there was also begun the "Pukara" or fortress of Akapana and the Temple of the Moon, today called Puma-Punku. The three works have the same orientation, or are 2° 49' 7" from the meridian. We have very little knowledge of that period because of its great age. (61)

The construction of the Pukara Akapana and the Temple of the Moon, Puma-Punku, was continued in the Second and Third Periods of Tihuanacu. We possess ample material with which to elaborate our knowledge of these two periods and especially in order to understand, in addition to many other things, the system and method of their constructions, their science, their cosmological beliefs and theogonic ideas.

In Kalasasaya there can be noted the instructive evidences of both cultures which, we repeat, are separated by a long lapse of time. To the Second Period there belongs, without any doubt, the great quadrilateral, for the erection and architecture of which they seem to have taken their inspiration from the small temple of the First Period . . . AFTER HAVING EXCAVATED IT. Kalasasaya of the Second Period is 128 meters 74 centimeters long by 118 meters 26 centimeters wide. The monumental perron to the east belongs to this period. (62)

We assign to the Third Period, without fear of error, the monumental colonnade or balcony wall, and another building which is within the great enclosure beyond the stair which we have designated provisionally "sanctum sanctorum", as well as the REPAIRS MADE ON THE EAST WALL which itself belongs, without doubt, to the Second Period. It should be kept in mind that in this period there existed, possibly on the same site, a balcony wall, doubtless of red sandstone, with the object of protecting from the view of strangers the observation post which was found at the center of the line between the southeast and northeast pillars. In the course of this chapter unimpeachable proof of what we have just affirmed in this paragraph will be supplied.

During the First Period sandstone which comes from the mountainous region to the south of the ruins, was used exclusively; there was also used for certain works (sculptures of heads to be set in the walls) a soft calcareous tufa.

In the Second Period there was used, although on a small scale, the extremely hard, eruptive-crystalline rocks like the andesites. Naturally, they used sandstone when it belonged to the preceding period and was already placed and cut. They then arranged it, retouched it and continued the former work according to their own criterion, with their new style and symbolic decoration. An eloquent example illustrating the improvement of previous works, is the retouching of the colossal idol which they found in the temple of the First Period.

This, roughly carved, was given a new form and was covered with the symbolic inscriptions of the new epoch. Another most impressive example is to be observed in Puma-Punku, the construction of which was continued in the Second and Third Periods in a very active form.

The south, west and north walls (let us say the walls of less rank) belonging to the Second Period of Kalasasaya, are still of red sandstone.

The east wall, or that of great rank and also of the Second Period was already constructed of igneous, andesitic rocks. (See an enormous abrasion in Fig. 13, 13a, 13b).

All that which is still standing of the Third Period in Kalasasaya is worked exclusively in hard andesitic lava, as for example, the balcony wall, the sanctissimum and the reconstructions of the Second Period. But it is not only in the material that the Third Period differs from the preceding one; it is especially in the so perfect working of the rock, a thing unsurpassed in the world up to this time. It is seen further in the symbolic style of the engravings which are extraordinarily advanced and especially, in the astronomical orientation of its construction which shows a variation of 25' 30" between one period and the other.

The orientation of the south wall of Kalasasaya of the Second Period is 89° 18', of the north 89° 20', of the east 358° 58' 30" and of the west 358° 53' 30". The constructions of the Third Period such as the sanctissimum and the balcony wall, deviate from the meridian to the west 42', or they were located at 359° 18'.

Bronze appears in the Third Period. One frequently notes the repairs in the walls of former periods in which they joined blocks by means of bronze bolts; these they used in different shapes for their own constructions, even in the form of rings, (Fig. 14). In this very period, characterized by a maximum advance --- it constitutes the epopee of Tihuanacu --- the "Loka" also appears, a common, everyday unit of measure which, to judge by the construction of the balcony wall, had a length of 161 cm. 3.25 mm., equivalent possibly to the arm span of the average individual of that time. (See our work: "Antropología y Sociología").

The Sun Door is the most glorious monument of this period. An attempt was made to finish the buildings of the First and Second Periods, as we shall see farther on, especially the Temple of the Moon, Puma-punku and the Pukara Akapana, but they were not concluded. With the exception of the Temple of the First Period, absolutely nothing is finished in Tihuanacu, not even the supreme piece of this period, The Sun Door, as we have seen in the preceding chapter. Tihuanacu of the Third Period is a megalomaniacal work like the Tower of Babel and, had it been completed, it would possibly have surpassed everything that man has constructed on the earth.

Among the sciences they came to know, as we shall see farther on, they mastered the astronomical bearings of the meridian, with which it was possible to determine the exact "amplitude" of the sun in the Third Period and with this, in turn, the obliquity of the ecliptic --- a value which has supplied us with the basis for determining the approximate age of Tihuanacu.

By means of this knowledge the equinoxes and solstices were established, the aphelion and the perihelion were known, the solar year divided into twelve months was used. Even the zodiac became known, as has been seen in the previous chapter which deals with the Sun Door, but in a form quite different from that known by the ancient Semitic sages of Chaldea, whose knowledge was passed on to the astronomy of the present day.


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Figure 13 - Completely eroded block - in its time well carved - above the farthest corner on which the sun rises at the winter solstice.

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Figure 13a - Remains of the cast wall of the Sun Temple of Kalasasaya. The block on the left is of andesite and comes from the Second Period in which this temple was built. The block on the right is from the Third Period and replaced an eroded block.

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Figure 13b - A section of the west wall of the Sun Temple which belongs to the beginning of the Second Period; its continuation is the famous balcony wall of the Third Period.

A. The Beginning of Studies in Tihuanacu
B. Architecnographical Introduction
C. The Object of the Building Kalasasaya
D. The Two Different Periods in the Construction of Kalasasaya
E. The Astronomic Science of Tihuanacu. How Kalasasaya was Built to be Used as a Stone Almanac
F. The Approach to Kalasasaya. The Monumental Perron
G. Kalasasaya of the Third Period

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Posted 04 November 2009 - 07:43 AM

View Postmcrom901, on 04 November 2009 - 03:39 AM, said:

here is another odd reference.... :geek:

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are they joking :o


Nope they are not joking.

Etched into a sloping hill at Pisco Bay on the Peruvian coast, this strange figure looks vaguely like a candlestick; thus, its name "The Candelabra of the Andes." The Candelabra is 595 feet long and can be seen from as far as 12 miles out to sea.

Pottery found near the figure has been carbondated at 200 BC and is assignable to the Paracas Culture. Separated by 130 miles from the Nazca Plain, with its famed giant figures, the Candelabra apparently is not the work of the Nazca people. It is puzzling why that such a figure would be placed where it could be seen best by sailors.
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Posted 04 November 2009 - 09:46 PM

WOW Great info MCROM901!
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Posted 04 November 2009 - 09:55 PM

View Postsandman25, on 04 November 2009 - 10:46 PM, said:

WOW Great info MCROM901!



There's nothing 'great' about what he posted.

Google "Posnansky" or "Poznansky" , (some people don't know how to spell properly), and "Bolivia".

It's very OLD news, and debunked so many times that it's really unbelievable someone brings it up again.
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Posted 04 November 2009 - 11:02 PM

It seems to me that as far as the "exaggerated" dating of this monument is concerned (and for many other megalithic ruins around the globe) it's a matter of how much credibility gives someone to archaeoastromomy at all, a "science" which has a tendency to push back the dating of many ruins by thousands of years...One the one hand we have the undeniable focus of many ancient civilizations in the cosmic order (a notion that probably seems a bit absurd to our current civilization), the highly advanced knowledge of astronomy and astrology these ancient civilizations had ( and the importance that the skies in general played in their cosmo-theory) as well as the fact that the very reason of many of these monuments were astronomical observations, so it seems rational for archaeologists to establish a semi-ground field of archeology and astronomy.
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Posted 05 November 2009 - 05:17 AM

View Postmcrom901, on 03 November 2009 - 10:30 PM, said:

here is another paradox.... :wacko:

ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inca_civilization


now check these..... :blink:

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http://www.anomalies...ca_Writing.html

All three of these I think are from the controvertial and entirely unprovenanced collection of the late father carlo crespi, featured promenantly in von daniken's "gold of the gods" and widely held to be fakes. No proof, no paradox.
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Posted 05 November 2009 - 11:27 AM

View PostTheSearcher, on 04 November 2009 - 07:43 AM, said:

Nope they are not joking.


what i was referring to.... was this....

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Archeologists found a rope suspended down the center column, which led some to speculate that it's a type of seismograph by which weights could be suspended through pulleysropes and counterweights. The problem with this is none were ever found to back this up.


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Posted 05 November 2009 - 03:29 PM

Thanks mcrom .
The varying metals clamps, and their smelting, are very interesting... especially their evidence being found in such diverse places... not every ancient intercontinental similarity can be explained with the word CONVERGENCE ? ( the theory employed when researchers are completely dumfounded, that, People.. being similar.. develop similar ideas completely independently )

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 03:32 PM

View Postlightlyy, on 05 November 2009 - 05:29 PM, said:

The varying metals clamps are very interesting... especially their evidence being found in such diverse places... not every ancient intercontinental similarity can be explained with the word CONVERGENCE ? ( the idea that, People.. being similar.. develop similar ideas completely independently )


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Posted 05 November 2009 - 03:39 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 05 November 2009 - 05:32 PM, said:

No... that would deny the holy existence of the Nibblers! Don't you dare say that!


Who are the Nibblers? :blink:
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Posted 05 November 2009 - 03:40 PM

Why would the rope and pottery have anything to do with the date the thing was made?
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Posted 05 November 2009 - 04:12 PM

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Who are the Nibblers? :blink:
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