[marabod]

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One thing I would NEVER EVER be able to do is sacrifice any of my children's lives, if God would require that of me I would most certainly lose.

Then of course you would be severely punished for being unfaithful - God would not produce a great nation from you.

[SevenofZero]

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behaviour???, on 12 September 2009 - 04:46 PM, said:

And as hard core Christians you all are willing to sacrifice your life for your belief?



To answer your question; In theory I would most certainly be able to sacrifice my life for my beliefs. However I think one would have to be in the situation before one could truthfully ascertain how one would react.
One thing I would NEVER EVER be able to do is sacrifice any of my children's lives, if God would require that of me I would most certainly lose. Your question is very interesting.... gets one thinking.

Thats another thing wrong with Christianity and those ancient beliefs. You cannot sacrifice the life of your child because it is not YOUR life it is their life. Your children are not YOU. It would seem in the bible that the Jewish people believed your children were part of you, its just the way its worded. Its not fair nor is it right.

[marabod]

SevenofZero, on 15 September 2009 - 09:09 PM, said:

ame='bushcat' date='15 September 2009 - 08:50 AM' timestamp='1253001019' post='3083703']


Thats another thing wrong with Christianity and those ancient beliefs. You cannot sacrifice the life of your child because it is not YOUR life it is their life. Your children are not YOU. It would seem in the bible that the Jewish people believed your children were part of you, its just the way its worded. Its not fair nor is it right.

In antiquity children were property of the parents. In Rome - till their old age, if the parents were alive. Father could sell a child at any age in slavery.

[SevenofZero]

marabod, on 15 September 2009 - 09:13 AM, said:

In antiquity children were property of the parents. In Rome - till their old age, if the parents were alive. Father could sell a child at any age in slavery.

I know.. women and children were the PROPERTY of the man. What a ridiculous notion. I suppose when the Chrisitans go on about God sacrificing his son, they mean Christ to be his property and he can do what he likes with him. Jehovah was a terrible Daddy! The sacrifice of the Christ in line with todays values doesn't work. It might have back then but now we're enlightened and thats barbaric.

[marabod]

SevenofZero, on 15 September 2009 - 09:17 PM, said:

I know.. women and children were the PROPERTY of the man. What a ridiculous notion. I suppose when the Chrisitans go on about God sacrificing his son, they mean Christ to be his property and he can do what he likes with him. Jehovah was a terrible Daddy! The sacrifice of the Christ in line with todays values doesn't work. It might have back then but now we're enlightened and thats barbaric.

The worst part of human sacrifice is that the sacrifice is actually a ritual dinner. The offering was always eaten after being roasted - therefore the Greeks prohibited human sacrifice in early 1st millenium BC, while Romans had a period in 6th century BC when any blood sacrifice was prohibited (by Numa Pompilius). It always scares me when in the church they offer to eat Christ's body and drink his blood.

[SevenofZero]

marabod, on 15 September 2009 - 09:33 AM, said:

The worst part of human sacrifice is that the sacrifice is actually a ritual dinner. The offering was always eaten after being roasted - therefore the Greeks prohibited human sacrifice in early 1st millenium BC, while Romans had a period in 6th century BC when any blood sacrifice was prohibited (by Numa Pompilius). It always scares me when in the church they offer to eat Christ's body and drink his blood.

Although I understand the philosophy and the symbolism behind that - people who take it literally are scary. It is kinda gory isn't it? like some horror movie,and also to use the sacrifice of Christ as a Christian symbol.. THESE days... I don't agree with that at all. I hardly think the symbol of a poor man degraded, bleeding and dying on a cross is a good symbol of a religion. People don't think like that anymore.

[marabod]

SevenofZero, on 15 September 2009 - 09:37 PM, said:

Although I understand the philosophy and the symbolism behind that - people who take it literally are scary. It is kinda gory isn't it? like some horror movie,and also to use the sacrifice of Christ as a Christian symbol.. THESE days... I don't agree with that at all. I hardly think the symbol of a poor man degraded, bleeding and dying on a cross is a good symbol of a religion. People don't think like that anymore.

I see communion as a residual ritual cannibalism. Yuck!

[SevenofZero]

marabod, on 15 September 2009 - 09:43 AM, said:

I see communion as a residual ritual cannibalism. Yuck!

I see it as drinking the Elixir of life and eating the manna from heaven.. symbolically.

Otherwise I can see where you get the idea of it being an evolved cannabalistic rite.

[marabod]

SevenofZero, on 15 September 2009 - 09:45 PM, said:

I see it as drinking the Elixir of life and eating the manna from heaven.. symbolically.

Otherwise I can see where you get the idea of it being an evolved cannabalistic rite.

I have no idea what the actual components of this action look in Catholic church, but I was once in early 80s drinking with one orthodox priest, and due to late hour we ended having this red sweet wine they use in the church, so he got inspired and brought some of these little crackers they use - they are specially baked to stay white and resemble the skin colour, look a bit like potato chips. He even offered me a midnight walk to the church itself (as he was serving in the same church where my greatgrandfather was a priest till 1918), thats how we met as I drove there to have a look at the past.

[marabod]

hahaha! That night I ate and drank so much of Jesus, that it would be probably enough for a few hundreds believers - strange though, I did not become a saint.

[SevenofZero]

marabod, on 15 September 2009 - 09:56 AM, said:

I have no idea what the actual components of this action look in Catholic church, but I was once in early 80s drinking with one orthodox priest, and due to late hour we ended having this red sweet wine they use in the church, so he got inspired and brought some of these little crackers they use - they are specially baked to stay white and resemble the skin colour, look a bit like potato chips. He even offered me a midnight walk to the church itself (as he was serving in the same church where my greatgrandfather was a priest till 1918), thats how we met as I drove there to have a look at the past.

I live just down the road from Lincoln Cathedral so its tempting to take part in some of the ceremonies. They usually say you can't take part in the sacrament/communion unless you've been baptised as a Christian. They don't care what denomination you are or if you are Catholic or Protestant. I just thought.. never mind the rules.. and I done it.. took the bread and wine. But I know symbolically this echoed the rituals of Mithras, and all that about a baby being born in a stable... OMG if you've ever been to midnight mass it starts to make so much sense.. it really does and you know there was no such thing happen in real life its all symbolic. the whole lot of it. The priests refer to the congregation itself as the crib and symbolically the Christ is born in us at midnight mass - VERY enlightening. I'd say go along and check it out. I felt all new when I came out of the Cathedral.

[marabod]

SevenofZero, on 15 September 2009 - 10:09 PM, said:

I live just down the road from Lincoln Cathedral so its tempting to take part in some of the ceremonies. They usually say you can't take part in the sacrament/communion unless you've been baptised as a Christian. They don't care what denomination you are or if you are Catholic or Protestant. I just thought.. never mind the rules.. and I done it.. took the bread and wine. But I know symbolically this echoed the rituals of Mithras, and all that about a baby being born in a stable... OMG if you've ever been to midnight mass it starts to make so much sense.. it really does and you know there was no such thing happen in real life its all symbolic. the whole lot of it. The priests refer to the congregation itself as the crib and symbolically the Christ is born in us at midnight mass - VERY enlightening. I'd say go along and check it out. I felt all new when I came out of the Cathedral.

Some churches care about your body, unlike Orthodox church, which uses no benches, so everyone is either standing or praying on their knees on the stone floor. Those long services at Easter and some other dates last all night; so the church is normally packed like a can with anchovy and few ambulances are waiting at the gates, as someone always faints in these low-air conditions. Most people usually go there out of curiosity of course, but some are regulars.

[SevenofZero]

marabod, on 15 September 2009 - 10:19 AM, said:

Some churches care about your body, unlike Orthodox church, which uses no benches, so everyone is either standing or praying on their knees on the stone floor. Those long services at Easter and some other dates last all night; so the church is normally packed like a can with anchovy and few ambulances are waiting at the gates, as someone always faints in these low-air conditions. Most people usually go there out of curiosity of course, but some are regulars.

As I see it there's no difference between church ceremonies and Magickal rituals. None at all. Especially Catholicism.. the other so called churches seem to have lost or forgotten something.

[randomhit10]

behaviour???, on 12 September 2009 - 05:55 AM, said:

Everything can be put in a good way without insult or canned remarks....If you wish to stay away from giving clear answers then give me your best guess....
I hope all hardcore Christians are seeing the topic and will reply....Otherwise I have a conclusion
Thanks
B???

just curious...why are you interested in this?...in this post i use you but i do not mean you personally...and all of this is based on past experiences and what i have learned, not necessarily from the Bible....

if God healed you would you be grateful?....or blow Him off again after you get what you want...have you ever had any type of relationship that would encourage God to intervene in your life?....do you constantly deny Him but call on Him only when you are up to your neck in alligators?...like "call for superchicken".....then again, why should He perform for certain people who expect Him to do "tricks" or magic just for them, and especially for them to claim the glory to mislead others with false teachings?....read about Paul and his thorn...this would answer some of your questions...this is not even a scratch of the surface...it does not include the people wha have not heard the word and many other issues....

on the flip side, i was "healed" by God....i was dead yet i am alive today....i can tell you first hand God heals....my doctors wrote me off...do i feel like i deserved His Hand in my life?...not even close...the question you have raised has many answers but no perfect answer...God is God and i am not...He knows why He does what He does and i am not privy to His actions...but i know what happened to me.

randomhit10

This post has been edited by randomhit10: 15 September 2009 - 01:35 PM

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marabod, on 15 September 2009 - 04:13 AM, said:

In antiquity children were property of the parents. In Rome - till their old age, if the parents were alive. Father could sell a child at any age in slavery.

sadly many women and children are still viewed as property. Even here in the west.