[greggK]

SevenofZero, on 15 September 2009 - 04:40 AM, said:

As I see it there's no difference between church ceremonies and Magickal rituals. None at all. Especially Catholicism.. the other so called churches seem to have lost or forgotten something.

Ceremonies, rituals, and rememberances are three different things. It is a good thing that the elder powers have a directive; if they did not, there would be choas.

[markprice]

greggK, on 15 September 2009 - 10:19 AM, said:

Ceremonies, rituals, and rememberances are three different things. It is a good thing that the elder powers have a directive; if they did not, there would be choas.

The "directive of the elder powers prevents chaos", you mean chaos within the church, right. they would get all confused without their rituals and dogma?

[marabod]

Lt_Ripley, on 16 September 2009 - 02:55 AM, said:

sadly many women and children are still viewed as property. Even here in the west.

But it can be sadly only for those who dont! Each has a choice and does what better fits. Hardly the Romans saw slavery as we see it, for them it was a mere job, it is just you have 16 hours working day and cannot resign. But the slaves were agreeing to accept food as wages. Rome had a tribal setup, so the family was extended like in any tribe, and the home slaves were just junior members of the family, like adopted children. The father of the family also was not Fritzl, but just a Master.

[Mr Walker]

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name='behaviour???' date='12 September 2009 - 05:25 AM' timestamp='1252695335' post='3079225']
In a situation where you must sacrifice for you religious beliefs would you do so?

What is sacrifice?

I might appear to "give up" many things to improve my life and my relationship with god, but it doesnt seem like a sacrifice in any sense of the word.

I would say that god only asks us to "sacrifice" those things which are harmful or limiting to us, given that he wants us to be as fully and powerfully human as possible.

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Luke8 Vs-44-45
Luke 8 Vs48-49

Acknowledging these two quotes I ask-
We receive and share God every Sunday at the holy mass and still we don't have our pains healed or get eternal life...why?

Thanks
B???

I dont know. I do suspect that institutionalised prayer/communion with god is pretty innefective. God is personal. He is the god of the human, mind, heart and spirit. He does heal pains, weaknesses, improves physical fitness etc.

Sometimes he does this through the power of positive thinking/faith. Sometimes he does it by instruction (Healthy diet, exercise, the body is the temple of the lord and should be treated as such) etc.

He gives instructions on emotional health (love yourself), economic prosperity(use /invest your talents wisely) Good diet. (Vegetarian is best. Don't eat meat from scavenging animals at the top of the food chain. Strong wine is the enemy of the mind) etc.

Eternal life, I cant speak on, but a personal relationship with god can bring immense social, physical, emotional, and psychological, advantages/benefits in this life.

This post has been edited by Mr Walker: 18 September 2009 - 04:46 AM

[Zhna]

I'm not a christian if you pardon me!

What I would like to mention is that yours faith aren't the only one on this Earth believing in miracles. I'm a Zhna of very conservative strain and don't get me wrong, I believe in Jesus too by the name Saoshyant Eredat-fedhri as he is our Shahanshah but I believe in the teachings of Zarathustra Spitama as well. Both of them however recognized the Daughter, the First Thought of our Good Father.

This is why Khwedotas(Close-kin) heals amongst us! Every practisant of Khwedotas is the Father-Daughter in person or images of our divine Brother Ahuramazda-Sister Insight couple. The Khwedotas urine heals, it purifies! Yes a tough of their clothes is enough to cure you we believe. Our faith in the Great Daughter is strong as or even more so than those of catholic christian worshipping Virgin Mary.

Our Athravans caste of Priests/Magis it is!

[Sein_Engel09]

lookingfortruth, on 11 September 2009 - 02:26 PM, said:

thats why Im not a christian, everythings always OUR fault and OUR problem we don't do certain things or believe certain things. lol thats a little extreme but its how I feel!

it doesnt matter what religion you believe in or what you practice, that will always be true. it isnt just christianity. i am atm between religions, not sure which path to follow. i am between wicca and chirstianity. i have learned that in paganism you must be responsible for yourself and take responsibility for your actions, past and present. so basically, it IS your fault and it IS your problem if you dont take responsibility for what you do. im not trying to bash you or start something, im just showin that it doesnt matter what religion you believe in or what you practice, most everything is the same.

[zach28]

Karlis, on 12 September 2009 - 08:35 AM, said:

Hi Behaviour -- My personal view is that (after the era of the original apostles of Jesus) God has a “hands off” policy towards Mankind. I believe that God now very seldom intervenes directly in the lives of people. That includes answering prayers for healing.

It’s not that God does not care for people now -- just the opposite. I believe that God has laid out a “Master Plan” for the salvation of Mankind, and God’s policy is to allow Mankind to experience all the suffering it brings upon itself. It’s a lesson as to what happens when we don’t live according to God’s will

So basically people suffering is gods will....Nice. There seems to be an abundance of that happening. Well there are conseqences to everything and i think for some people an organized religion can be a good thing. But as far as i'm concerned i'm an agnostic and i don't need a pastor/priest telling me how i should be living while they are molesting lttle boys on the side. I don't drink anymore, i haven't killed anybody, I'
m not out there dealing drugs, So if there is a god i think i will be fine when the end comes.

[Sylent Nyte]

behaviour???, on 11 September 2009 - 06:55 PM, said:

In a situation where you must sacrifice for you religious beliefs would you do so?

I would directly sacrifice my religious beliefs, as I have already done, for a better scientific comprehension of my surroundings and not the other way around simply because the alternative would be highly illogical in the absence of any tangible, non-subjective evidence.

[alphaomegaaz]

behaviour???, on 11 September 2009 - 02:55 PM, said:

In a situation where you must sacrifice for you religious beliefs would you do so?
Luke8 Vs-44-45

Luke 8 Vs48-49

Acknowledging these two quotes I ask-
We receive and share God every Sunday at the holy mass and still we don't have our pains healed or get eternal life...why?

Thanks
B???

Hay there behaviour,

The answer is simple and it is in Gods word (bible). Either people don't have faith that God is going to heal them; or these people asking for healing from God are not true Christians; or an adulterous and perverse generation that seeks a sign from God, none will be given it. Our country seeks a sign from God but because we are so wicked, God will not give a sign. Also there is another reason, God does not answer all pray because it is not the best thing for us. We don't know what is best for us.

[Dying Seraph]

alphaomegaaz, on 04 November 2009 - 10:06 PM, said:

Hay there behaviour,

The answer is simple and it is in Gods word (bible). Either people don't have faith that God is going to heal them; or these people asking for healing from God are not true Christians; or an adulterous and perverse generation that seeks a sign from God, none will be given it. Our country seeks a sign from God but because we are so wicked, God will not give a sign. Also there is another reason, God does not answer all pray because it is not the best thing for us. We don't know what is best for us.

Really? Weren't "true" CHristians? What do you mean by this?

[tinieblas]

I have a question; how many Christians are following the full teachings of Jesus ie;

Owning no more than you actually need.
Judging no-one unless they are perfect themselves
Treating others as they would be judged
Never seeking revenge and being prepared to lay down their lives for what is right.

What I am angered by are many christians I see who claim to follow Jesus' teaching but are acquisitive (namely the catholic church; jesus would have hated to have seen all that gold wasted on a statue of himself, he'd rather have given gold to the poor!), judgemental (ohhh you're not married,....I see) or claiming that God would like to harm homosexuals, people of other religions or beliefs or hold petty little grudges over the smallest of slights....my question is, can these people still go to Heaven just because they go to Church once a week, despite ignoring some of Jesus' key teachings?

[IamsSon]

tinieblas, on 04 November 2009 - 11:09 PM, said:

I have a question; how many Christians are following the full teachings of Jesus ie;

Owning no more than you actually need.
Judging no-one unless they are perfect themselves
Treating others as they would be judged
Never seeking revenge and being prepared to lay down their lives for what is right.

What I am angered by are many christians I see who claim to follow Jesus' teaching but are acquisitive (namely the catholic church; jesus would have hated to have seen all that gold wasted on a statue of himself, he'd rather have given gold to the poor!), judgemental (ohhh you're not married,....I see) or claiming that God would like to harm homosexuals, people of other religions or beliefs or hold petty little grudges over the smallest of slights....my question is, can these people still go to Heaven just because they go to Church once a week, despite ignoring some of Jesus' key teachings?

The answer, according to the Bible is "No." Jesus Himself said there would be those who said to Him, "Lord, Lord, look at the things we did in your name, and He will look at them and say, "Get away from me, I never knew you."

It is not following His teachings, going to church every Sunday, giving money to the church, helping the poor, even healing the sick that will save one, it is trusting that Christ died to pay for your sins, and was resurrected that will save you. Not saying you believe this, not praying a cute little conversion prayer, not anything, but real, heart-felt, absolute trust.

[Mr Walker]

tinieblas, on 05 November 2009 - 03:39 PM, said:

I have a question; how many Christians are following the full teachings of Jesus ie;

Owning no more than you actually need.
Judging no-one unless they are perfect themselves
Treating others as they would be judged
Never seeking revenge and being prepared to lay down their lives for what is right.

What I am angered by are many christians I see who claim to follow Jesus' teaching but are acquisitive (namely the catholic church; jesus would have hated to have seen all that gold wasted on a statue of himself, he'd rather have given gold to the poor!), judgemental (ohhh you're not married,....I see) or claiming that God would like to harm homosexuals, people of other religions or beliefs or hold petty little grudges over the smallest of slights....my question is, can these people still go to Heaven just because they go to Church once a week, despite ignoring some of Jesus' key teachings?

I am a little with I am son on this. We are not judged by our deeds but by our hearts and minds. However, our actions will reflect our hearts and minds, and if we love god, and wish to be reconnected with him, we will act as if that was so.

Thus, up to a point, we can get some idea of a christian's state by observing them. But we cannot judge, because we cannot see into their hearts and minds. Thus we cannot accurately interpret their motivations.

While humans are acknowledged to be imperfect , it is still incumbent on us to live a life which has a good mix of the spiritual and the material. Christians are not meant to live in sackcloth and ashes, but neither should they be involved with conspicuous consumerism and materialism.

My philosophy is that all i have(from my life to my possessions) is a gift from god. Thus i must make the most of it all. By working and accumulating wealth, i am able to give more to others. If i lived off govt benefits, i would be a net taker rather than a giver. On the other hand, i am able to earn money because of the gift of a healthy mind and a healthy body. I should not judge those lesss able to get a job and support themselves. Once i have wha ti need then i should share with others persoanlly i chose to share in a way which allows others to build their skills and opportunities so tha tthey too may find greater financial independence So rather than give money for food, I will give money to start a garden or to learn a skill which can sustain a person.

I think the 4 points you make are indeed important. We do need to separate justice from revenge. I can legitimately seek justice for wrongs done to me, without personally judging, or desiring vengeance on, the wrongdoers.
I cant say who (if anyone) will go to heaven (if it exists) That is gods role. God will judge the heart, soul, and intent of people, and he will be; right, just, but merciful, in his decisions.

This post has been edited by Mr Walker: 06 November 2009 - 03:35 AM

[alphaomegaaz]

Dying Seraph, on 05 November 2009 - 01:00 AM, said:

Really? Weren't "true" CHristians? What do you mean by this?

What I mean by true Christians is people who are truly a Christian. In other words, just because someone says they are a Christian, this does not make them one.

[Dying Seraph]

alphaomegaaz, on 05 November 2009 - 11:06 PM, said:

What I mean by true Christians is people who are truly a Christian. In other words, just because someone says they are a Christian, this does not make them one.

Are you implying only christians can be saved? SO regardless of how one lives their life if they aren't a "christian" they are doomed? I don't think ANYONE is a "true" Christian except in their own head.

I ask, what is a "true" Christian to you?

This post has been edited by Dying Seraph: 06 November 2009 - 06:21 AM