[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

Luna Cross



The Moon is a Target!

This year on June 18th, 2009 - NASA launched the LRO into orbit around the Moon. It is carrying the LCROSS.

The LCROSS is a combination centaur rocket and satellite that will both blast into the Moon at about 5,600 M.P.H. in succession in order to pierce below the surface of the Moon in search of water. The centaur rocket is actually called the EDUS with its sheparding satellite called the LCROSS.

The current date set for Impact is October 9th, 2009.

There has been no report released by NASA as to any analysis of the possible danger of the LCROSS mission (that I know of). NASA and the entire scientific community all seem to simply believe that there is no danger at all. Blast Away! Our Moon is the Target!

The Purpose of what I am about to write is to raise questions as to the safety of this mission. I am not going to be claiming that it is a fact that this mission is a danger but I am most certainly going to be suggesting that it is.

If you are not familiar with the LCROSS mission and would like to familiarize yourself more before reading on then here are some cool links for getting up to date on the mission: http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/

Here are also some other links to get you more familiar with LCROSS that are good:

IMPACT! - http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/impact.htm

Slamming Rockets into the Moon: An Overview of the LCROSS Mission at NASA Ames! - http://lcross.arc.na...resentation.pdf

LCROSS Simulation ~



Northrop Grumman video commercial on LCROSS ~

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

The Fragile Moon

Certainly as an object the Moon is not really fragile but the Moon is still an entity of great mystery, magic and beauty that strongly interacts with all Life on Earth. The Moon interacts with the tides of the oceans, the winds and the weather, and is locked together with the Earth in Orbit around the Sun like twin planets sharing our orbit, our love and our gravity together. The Moon is known to influence all of Life on Earth.

Moon Tides- http://home.hiwaay.n...moon/moontides/

Can the Full Moon Affect Human behavior? http://www.innerself...y/full_moon.htm

The Earth / Moon relationship is very unique in regards to Life. Most scientists would agree that the Moon itself is a Miracle and that without it exactly as it is Life on Earth may very well not even exist. The odds are astronomical for the Earth to have a Moon so perfectly fit for our Life to shine as it does.

Altering the Moon may very well alter Life on Earth. The Moon is Fragile in the sense that we need to have it just as it is for Life to exist as it does on Earth. We need this Miracle of Life.

LCROSS plans to slam the Moon with two explosive blasts at one of its poles.

This should seem dangerous to at least someone in the scientific community but instead the scientific community has been silent on any danger from LCROSS based upon a very rigid view that the Moon is just a giant hunk of dead rock. Why is this mission being carried out without any debate in the scientific community?

In my research so far I have only found this mention of this fact in this book it comments on the silence of the scientific community to its lone credit:

Space: The Fragile Frontier – http://www.thespacer...m/article/698/1

From the book -

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Earlier this year, though, NASA announced that it would crash a Centaur upper stage in a crater near the lunar poles as part of a scientific investigation by the LCROSS mission, launched to the Moon along with the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter by that Centaur. (LCROSS itself will also crash into the Moon.) Yet there has been no noticeable outcry, from the scientific community or elsewhere, about that mission.

Why is this mission being carried out without any debate in the scientific community?

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

The Light Side or the Dark Side of the Moon?

Recently a scientific paper was published that provides evidence for making the case that the Moon was caused great damage by a distant blast in the past showing that it may have completely flipped on its pole even. What used to be the light side of the Moon may have once been the dark side due to an Impact.

Flip-Flop: Did the Moon Do a Turnabout?
The far side of the moon may once have faced Earth, a new study suggests
http://www.sciam.com...did-the-moon-do

There has been much speculation as to all of the craters and scars we see on the Moon. In reality we can only hypothesize as to how they were created being that we did not witness the creation of these features of the Moon.

Some even still hold to alternative theories that see many of the craters and scars as being the natural growth and aging process of the Moon. http://www.youtube.c...h?v=tBT8KyWVxj8

How Much Do We Really Know About the Moon?

If we are only learning about such ‘cause and effect’ events that can cause such dramatic change due to Impacts on the Moon in the past and we still have competing theories as to the creation and geology of the Moon then why is there no discussion or debate at all in regards to LCROSS in the scientific community?

How many instances of the Moon being hit are there in modern records whereas we have actually been able to see all of the effects on both the Earth and the Moon from impacts?

According to this recent article by Space.com not too many times: 100 Explosions Recorded on the Moon

Only 100? How much do really know about the Moon in regards to it's ability to withstand Impacts such as the LCROSS?

So then if we have so few known examples of Lunar Impact events (only 100 that have been witnessed) then why are we so confident of the LCROSS Impact being safe?

So far the best documented examples of anything POWERFUL hitting the Moon have been when NASA or another countries space agencies have hit the Moon with a spacecraft.

Here is a timeline - Timeline of Impacts on Moon caused by Mankind

But even in these examples there is not a lot to be confident about. Most were smaller impacts then the LCROSS and the reports of these Impacts have produced some strange results for the larger impacts:

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Back during the Apollo missions of the 1960’s, a supervisor from the data and photo control department at NASA, Ken Johnston, said that at the time of the impact created by the Apollo 13 launch vehicle the scientists were not only saying that ‘the Moon rang like a bell‘, they also described how the whole structure of the Moon ‘wobbled’ in a precise way, ‘almost as though it had gigantic hydraulic damper struts inside it.’

This ringing affect caused many people to pick up on speculation that had been going on for years that the Earth’s Moon could be hollow. Back in 1962 Dr Gordon McDonald, a leading scientist at NASA, published a report in the Astronautics Magazine where he stated that analysis of the Moon’s motion indicated that the Moon is “hollow”.

Dr Sean C Solomon, who was Professor of Geophysics at MIT and is the Director of the Terrestrial Magnetism Department, Carnegie Institution of Washington as well as the Principal Investigator for Carnegie’s research as part of the NASA Astrobiology Institute, has said:

“The lunar orbiter experiments vastly improved our knowledge of the moon’s gravitational field….indicating the frightening possibility that the moon may be hollow.”

http://bretthenebery...built-the-moon/

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One unexpected result came from the seismic experiment recording the impact of Intrepid on the surface after we had jettisoned it. The entire Moon rang like a gong, vibrating and resonating for almost on hour after the impact. The best guess was that the Moon was composed of rubble a lot deeper below its surface than anybody had assumed. The internal structure, being fractured instead of a solid mass, could bounce the seismic energy from piece to piece for quite a while.

The same phenomenon was observed at two ALSEP stations when the Apollo 14 crew jettisoned their lunar module Antares and programmed it to crash between the Apollo 12 and 14 sites.

With every mission after Apollo 12, additional seismic calibrations were obtained by aiming the Saturn S-IVB stage to impact a selected point on the Moon after separation from the spacecraft. The seismic vibrations from these impacts lasted about three hours.

http://history.nasa....50/ch-12-3.html

Since the LCROSS mission is very comparable with any past blast witnessed by modern mankind including the Apollo 13 launch vehicle. Why did the Impact of the Apollo 13 cause the Moon to wobble and ring like a gong?

How much do we really know about the Moon?

3-D ride through a crater of the Moon: http://wms.selene.ja...o_anaglyph.html

NASA | HD Lunar Flyover of the First Images from the LRO Camera
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=052DosGtJLs

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

The Piezoelectric Moon
A layperson’s hypothesis of one state of the Moon



When the LCROSS impacts and creates a kinetic explosion deep within a crater of the Moon can a piezoelectric effect cause the Moon to fissure? Can plates or rock within the Moon move causing disruptions in the gravitational balance between the Earth and Moon? Can seismic activity be triggered that will cause any alterations in the orbit of the Moon?

Of course we recently have been told that the South Pole of the Moon is the coldest part of the Solar System. A magical place.

This section will explore the possible ways that the LCROSS Mission may harm the Moon.

Of course in the type of explosion that NASA is planning on the South Pole of the Moon there will be a lot of rock slamming into rock. Thus the chance for a piezoelectric reaction within the rock, plates and/or fissures of the Moon. Thus also the chance for a seismic event to take place on the Moon.

Though the Moon has been hit before on several occasions, none of these impacts can be seriously compared to this Impact. It is not just the size of the Impact but also the location and the conditions as well that have to be taken into consideration.

What is the Moon made of? – Well of course it is not made of cheese. The Moon as we know it is made of rock. But of course there are many different types of rock. There are also certain types of phenomena that exist side by side with rock. Rock is never completely dead. Though we do not know all of the properties of the rock of the Moon we do know that some interesting chemical features have been found on the Moon.

Moon Rocks ~ http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Moon_rock & http://www.suite101...._surfing/116801

Zircon ~ http://www.sciencene...moons_formation

Source - http://www.nature.co...bs/ngeo417.html

We also know that Moon rock is an abundant source of Helium 3.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26179944/

And Of course the area planned for the LCROSS impact is speculated also to contain water ice.
Source - http://www.ae.utexas...im/JY_PAPER.pdf

Ice itself acts as a ferroelectric and piezoelectric rock.
http://www.cosis.net...S02-A-00590.pdf

Much is still not known in regards to the relationship between piezoelectric events in rock and seismic activity on planetary bodies.

Source - http://www.cosis.net...4-A-06040-1.pdf

While what I am offering here is not proof of anything but is merely speculation. I am arguing for there being a possibility that the LCROSS mission is dangerous and should be called off. We do not know enough about the chemical composition and seismic avtivity of the Moon. I am speculating that there could be a piezoelectric seismic catastrophe caused by the LCROSS mission.

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

Before finishing I want to also add in this last little bit which is conspiratorial as well. Of course there are some people on this earth who believe that Mankind is killing the Earth and that having a large portion of the population killed off would be a good thing. The previous head of NASA (James Hansen) I believe to be one of them.

Of course it is very possible that if the Earth-Moon relationship was upset somehow it could cause a great catastrophe for Life here on Earth possibly causing the death of a large percentage of Life.

Is LCROSS the Next 9/11?

On September 11th, 2001 two planes that were hijacked by Islamic terrorists were smashed into the Twin Towers at the World Trade Center. Now in 2009 there will be two spacecraft smashed into the Moon by NASA.

Back a month or two ago the LRO/LCROSS launch was delayed. It hadn’t been the first delay and it also was not to be the last. But what was interesting for me about this delay was where it brought the Impact Event in so far as the day of Impact.

By following the LCROSS timeline as given by NASA then the new date of Impact was sometime shortly after September 1st, 2009. That was the opening of the window for possible Impact dates.

I couldn’t help but notice how close to 9/11 the date of Impact was getting to be. Of course it was on 9/11 that NASA announced the name of the crater it would Impact on the Moon’s South Pole.

So I started researching as to there being any possible connection between 9/11 and the LCROSS. What I found was interesting to say the least.

There was a statue CLEARLY representing the LCROSS in the center of the WTC.

It’s was named the Great Spherical Caryatid and later nicknamed The Sphere by the people of New York.

If you notice the sculpture clearly could be seen as representing the Moon with a giant rupture in it’s South Pole and water being discovered flowing out. (It took me less then a second to notice it)

This is artistically representative of the LCROSS mission which seeks to blast the Moon in a South Pole Crater in search of water. The coincidence is eerie and staggering to me.

The area that the Great Spherical Caryatid sat in was designed by trade center architect Minosoru Yamasaki to mimic the Grand Mosque of Mecca in which The Sphere stood at the place of the Kaaba.

This symbol of Mecca and the Moon both in a mode of destruction is a strange artifact of synchronistic storytelling. Most of the 9/11 hijackers came from the land of Mecca and the Sphere (the centerpiece) appears more to be a representation of the LCROSS mission then the Kaaba which is more of a cube. There are some who do though claim that Islam originated from an ancient Moon religion and that there is a Moon rock contained still as a Holy artifact at the Kaaba. There are also those who believe that there is an Islamic prophesy that the Moon will be split as a sign of the end times.



Is this apart of a grand scheme that is being enacted from behind hidden organization? How is it that the similarities are so stark?

I will go so far as to make a prediction here. The Impact date for LCROSS will be postponed by two days. The real date of Impact ( is / will be ) 10-11-09 which is 9-11-01 inverted. (minus one zero.)

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

What are our Legal Options to stop the LCROSS?

Petition Against the LCROSS Mission:

Protect the Moon 2009

http://www.petitiono...T/petition.html

Dont Hurt the Moon

[TALM]

Thanks for directing me to this thread TRUEYOUTRUEME.


It is my opinion that NASA will not be slamming this object into the Moon.

I know what they know, and they know that the Moon is a very fragile object.

Out of all the vivid photographs I have of the Moon, I can find no evidence of recent impacts to the surface by meteorites or asteroids. It is my opinion that the Moon has been very dormant in the areas of geological trauma for a very long long time. I am sure NASA is aware that if we impact it, geological damage can result that can screw it up.

Although it is not main steam knowledge yet, there is a very delicate eco-system up there in regards to the many types of life that depend on this uninterrupted stable environment. NASA knows this and I know it.

So mark my words when they claim failure of the craft and it is not slammed into the Moon. They already have started to lay out the frame work of the aborted mission in the form of releasing the fact that the Moon has water.

Did you catch the recent release of how NASA is now admitting that there is water on the Moon? Seems that is what they were going to try and explore the possibility of with this current mission. It don't take a rocket scientist to see that this is just another hoax by NASA and they are preparing us for when the crash landing does not happen.

[Czero 101]

Not this ridiculous tripe again...


Edited to add...

This really belongs in the Conspiracies section.



Cz

This post has been edited by Czero 101: 30 September 2009 - 03:14 AM

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TALM, on 29 September 2009 - 11:07 PM, said:

Thanks for directing me to this thread TRUEYOUTRUEME.


It is my opinion that NASA will not be slamming this object into the Moon.

I know what they know, and they know that the Moon is a very fragile object.

Out of all the vivid photographs I have of the Moon, I can find no evidence of recent impacts to the surface by meteorites or asteroids. It is my opinion that the Moon has been very dormant in the areas of geological trauma for a very long long time. I am sure NASA is aware that if we impact it, geological damage can result that can screw it up.

Although it is not main steam knowledge yet, there is a very delicate eco-system up there in regards to the many types of life that depend on this uninterrupted stable environment. NASA knows this and I know it.

So mark my words when they claim failure of the craft and it is not slammed into the Moon. They already have started to lay out the frame work of the aborted mission in the form of releasing the fact that the Moon has water.

Did you catch the recent release of how NASA is now admitting that there is water on the Moon? Seems that is what they were going to try and explore the possibility of with this current mission. It don't take a rocket scientist to see that this is just another hoax by NASA and they are preparing us for when the crash landing does not happen.

Believe me that I pray that NASA will abort this mission.

They have already laid out a poosible groundwork for failure to abort and have announced that a anomaly has struck causing malfunction.

LCROSS Anomaly Causes Substantial Fuel Loss

So hopefully NASA aborts this mission.

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

Czero 101, on 29 September 2009 - 11:12 PM, said:

Not this ridiculous tripe again...


Edited to add...

This really belongs in the Conspiracies section.



Cz

Because according to you there is no discussion that could be had asto the possible dangers of slamming centaur rockets into the south pole of the Moon?

Get real.

This is not a conspiracy thread but just a thread to discuss the possible dangers of slamming the Moon this way.

[Daughter of the Nine Moons]

Czero 101, on 29 September 2009 - 11:12 PM, said:

Not this ridiculous tripe again...


Edited to add...

This really belongs in the Conspiracies section.



Cz

Thanks for the input however I'm not sure that it should be moved according to the links it is a planned NASA event, therefore newsworthy.

[Czero 101]

TRUEYOUTRUEME, on 29 September 2009 - 08:17 PM, said:

Because according to you there is no discussion that could be had asto the possible dangers of slamming centaur rockets into the south pole of the Moon?

Get real.

Get real?

Ok.

The Moon has a mass of approximately 7.3477 * 10²² kg.
That's 73,477,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg.

The Centaur impactor has a mass of approximately 2.3 * 10³ kg.
That's 2,300 kg

The impact will create a crater approximately 25 meters in diameter, about 3 meters deept and will eject about 350 tons of surface material.

You go ahead and do the math to see exactly how insignificant that impact is going to be in terms of mass. While you're at it, please explain why this insignificant impact is any greater risk to the Moon than any of the other, larger impacts that have been purposely made in the past.

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This is not a conspiracy thread but just a thread to discuss the possible dangers of slamming the Moon this way.

You're the one who brought the conspiracy aspect into this thread with your "Before finishing I want to also add in this last little bit which is conspiratorial as well" statement.



Cz

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Daughter of the Nine Moons, on 29 September 2009 - 11:36 PM, said:

Thanks for the input however I'm not sure that it should be moved according to the links it is a planned NASA event, therefore newsworthy.

And of course the Impact date of the LCROSS is only a week and a half away. (For Full diclosure my inverted 9/11 date is also my birthday) I am hoping to make this go viral and bring it to the attention of NASA. I would appreciate if UM could place it as a news commentary on their homepage.

Can the LCROSS cause a piezoelectric siesmic catastophy to take place on the Moon and in the Earth-Moon system causing massive loss of Life on Earth?

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

Czero 101, on 29 September 2009 - 11:46 PM, said:

Get real?

Ok.

The Moon has a mass of approximately 7.3477 * 10²² kg.
That's 73,477,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg.

The Centaur impactor has a mass of approximately 2.3 * 10³ kg.
That's 2,300 kg

The impact will create a crater approximately 25 meters in diameter, about 3 meters deept and will eject about 350 tons of surface material.

You go ahead and do the math to see exactly how insignificant that impact is going to be in terms of mass. While you're at it, please explain why this insignificant impact is any greater risk to the Moon than any of the other, larger impacts that have been purposely made in the past.


You're the one who brought the conspiracy aspect into this thread with your "Before finishing I want to also add in this last little bit which is conspiratorial as well" statement.



Cz

There is one section (or post) that contains a conspiratorial aspect. You want to make that the center piece for you then fine. But that is not the center piece for me.

I also already addressed the aspect of mass in my thread and said:

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Though the Moon has been hit before on several occasions, none of these impacts can be seriously compared to this Impact. It is not just the size of the Impact but also the location and the conditions as well that have to be taken into consideration.

The size of the blast is not the only consideration.

As I am specualiting there very well could be chemical and electrical (siesmic) reactions due to both the size of Impact and the location (the coldest spot in the Solar System) and the conditions (water ice).

Try to address the actual thread as it is written and not just have a knee-jerk reaction.

[Czero 101]

TRUEYOUTRUEME, on 29 September 2009 - 08:15 PM, said:

Believe me that I pray that NASA will abort this mission.

They have already laid out a poosible groundwork for failure to abort and have announced that a anomaly has struck causing malfunction.

LCROSS Anomaly Causes Substantial Fuel Loss

So hopefully NASA aborts this mission.

Old news.

Here's the update:

From http://www.nasa.gov/..._archive_1.html

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LCROSS Emergency Status Lifted
Fri, 04 Sep 2009 01:11:29 PM PDT

At 5 p.m. (PDT) on Sept. 3, the LCROSS Project took the LCROSS spacecraft off of Emergency status. For the past two weeks, under close, continuous monitoring from the LCROSS mission operations team, the spacecraft has not exhibited any repeat of the anomalous behavior which had caused the spacecraft to consume large amounts of fuel while out of view. All spacecraft systems are operating in a nominal state.

"I am very proud and impressed by this LCROSS team," said Daniel Andrews, LCROSS project manager. "From the moment we discovered the spacecraft needed help, this team has tirelessly worked mitigations to assure we are able to finish the mission"

The LCROSS team closely studied the cause of the intermittent Inertial Reference Unit (IRU) data fault and have put additional controls in place to assure a similar situation does not occur again. The team has also retuned the spacecraft control system to optimize fuel efficiency. Nominal fuel efficiency has been improved by a factor of three, while contingency fuel efficiency has been improved by a factor of 100.

"We have adopted a new miserly approach to the rest of the mission and we anticipate full mission success," Andrews added,

The spacecraft recently conducted a planned pitch-flip maneuver to maintain good antenna alignment with the Earth, assuring the highest communications rates possible, as the spacecraft entered into it third and final orbit of the Earth before lunar impact.

Emphasis added.




Cz