[aquatus1]

TRUEYOUTRUEME, on 04 November 2009 - 04:23 AM, said:

Yes I certainly do not take million year old craters that we never witnessed being created as being proof that the moon gets bombarded safely by natural objects the size of LCROSS or larger all of the time. I asked for direct proof of such a claim of moon bombardment and have not got it from anyone.

Just out of curiousity, what sort of evidence would you accept.

Was I right about the astronaut Polaroud thing?

[MID]

TRUEYOUTRUEME, on 03 November 2009 - 11:23 PM, said:

I had conceded since the very start of this thread that NASA and other space agencies have hit the Moon with objects this size or larger about a dozen to 20 times, (I think someone posted a link that shows it to be alot more even) I had even posted a history of such crashes in my initial posts showing that I was aware of this.

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My point all along about the LCROSS mission being possibly dangerous was not based upon merely the size and power of the blast but upon the limited knowledge we have of the interior of the Moon, the seismic state of the Moon and it's possibly chemical composition. I never claimed that there would be a catastrophe or danger but that it was possible there could be and that there should have been more of a debate on the issue in the scientific community.

But you see...if you acknowledge that we've actually impacted the Moon many times with objects heavier and more powerful than the Centaur stage of LCROSS...and you do...and we have...

What is the concern about LCROSS, when the data clearly indicates that we could do this without any problem?

If we've taken an Apollo SIV-B stage and slammed it into the Moon (to learn about the internal structure by way of seismographic data return from said impact), what would be the need for discussion about the possible dangers of slamming something much smaller into the Moon?

Further, the fact is, you harped on the possibility that mankind could be threatened by this tiny, insignificant impact!

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I am sorry that some here seem to have a problem even getting the argument that I was making and continually seem to think it is something else I am claiming when it is not. I do appreciate though the repsonses I have got in the thread.

Oh I think we saw exactly what you were saying. You deny the evidence of massive, cataclysmic impacts on the Moon, vis...

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Yes I certainly do not take million year old craters that we never witnessed being created as being proof that the moon gets bombarded safely by natural objects the size of LCROSS or larger all of the time

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i wonder...do you take those as evidence that the Moon has been bombarded by anything at all, anytime?

If so, then you must realize that the impacts which caused the craters you can see on the Moon had no effect on Earth, thus, LCROSS is insignificant and utterly insignificant in such a respect.


You're mellowing your argument here...somewhat undertandably.

We've done much more than this LCROSS thing before.
Nature has made everything we've done look microscopic by comparison, and yet, our Moon still sits there in her orbit about this planet...steady, stately, and lovely, and no one, or no thing has ever been harmed.

I think the LCROSS case is closed...

[glyndowers heir]

MID, on 05 November 2009 - 01:20 AM, said:

I think the LCROSS case is closed...

Sorry Mid theres more chance of me being able to plait fog than this lot giving up on LCROSS conspiricy theories,

just look how many current threads there are on this site about this mission and its supposed effects and consequencies, any other subject would have had them all merged and their OP's warned not to open more(Disclaimer - this is not a criticism of the MOD team)

someones even done a serious version of my joke theory about crashing through the aliens space garage doors for g-ds sake and elsewhere the darn thing is supposed to have splashed down in liquid mercury.

No matter what you say they will not admit that a tiny thing Like LCROSS impacting the lunar surface will do B*****all damage in the grand scheme of things.

If it was that dangerous I am sure our more advanced alien neighbours on the moon would have taken it out sooner and then come down and spanked those responsible - so Brace yourself MID!

[MID]

As usual,glyn...

...you are very likely correct...in all respects!

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

In all honesty I would like to wait to see if we get some results from the LCROSS data before I am finished with this topic. I would like to know if the elongated heat signature was caused by a piezoelectric discharge as I thought it might. It is a shame that we will get no seismic readings from the impact and days after though on the Moon. It would be interesting to know if any of this energy traveled throughout the Moon.

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

aquatus1, on 04 November 2009 - 06:53 AM, said:

Just out of curiousity, what sort of evidence would you accept.

Was I right about the astronaut Polaroud thing?

I am not sure what you mean by the polaroud thing. Mostly the only evidence I have seen are phots of million year old craters on the Moon. Are photos only good if they are supportive of what you believe?

Let me just for fun accept that long ago the Moon was impacted by many large objects. So what happened then? Can you give me specifics about how these impacts affected the earth-moon system? About how they may have affected life on earth at the time?

I claim that even if these craters were caused by impacts millions of years ago they still tell us nothing about how safe they were for the earth-moon system and for life on earth at the time they happened.

[aquatus1]

TRUEYOUTRUEME, on 06 November 2009 - 01:28 AM, said:

I am not sure what you mean by the polaroud thing. Mostly the only evidence I have seen are phots of million year old craters on the Moon. Are photos only good if they are supportive of what you believe?

Let me just for fun accept that long ago the Moon was impacted by many large objects. So what happened then? Can you give me specifics about how these impacts affected the earth-moon system? About how they may have affected life on earth at the time?

I claim that even if these craters were caused by impacts millions of years ago they still tell us nothing about how safe they were for the earth-moon system and for life on earth at the time they happened.

Again, could you please describe what you would accept as "direct proof of such a claim of moon bombardment"? Please, no more re-directing. It's a pretty straight-forward question.

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

aquatus1, on 05 November 2009 - 09:54 PM, said:

Again, could you please describe what you would accept as "direct proof of such a claim of moon bombardment"? Please, no more re-directing. It's a pretty straight-forward question.

Something that gives the date of impact and the size of impact (LCROSS or larger) that is more then just mere specualtion or hypothesis that was a natural impact. Specific data recorded live of it happening. Anything in that realm is fine.

Polaroids of million year old craters do not meet that criteria.

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[aquatus1]

TRUEYOUTRUEME, on 06 November 2009 - 03:04 AM, said:

Something that gives the date of impact and the size of impact (LCROSS or larger) that is more then just mere specualtion or hypothesis that was a natural impact. Specific data recorded live of it happening. Anything in that realm is fine.

So, I was right about the astronaut taking a Polaroid? That's pretty much the only thing you would accept?

[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

aquatus1, on 05 November 2009 - 10:08 PM, said:

So, I was right about the astronaut taking a Polaroid? That's pretty much the only thing you would accept?

No you are wrong. Read what I said not what you want it to say.

Recorded data does not equal a polaroid taken by an astronaut. It can be many different things. Eye witness accounts or the object could be picked up by other instrumentation or whatever proof that you have.

If you dont have a polaroid taken by an astronaut then what do you have? I have not put any limits on the means of proof, I have simply rejected hypothesis and speculation about million year old craters.

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[Hazzard]

TRUEYOUTRUEME, on 06 November 2009 - 03:43 AM, said:

..... I have not put any limits on the means of proof, I have simply rejected hypothesis and speculation about million year old craters.

Let me ask you a question.... What do you think made all those, millions, of craters on the moon, and all the other planets and moons in our starsystem?

[protostar]

TRUEYOUTRUEME, on 06 November 2009 - 01:28 AM, said:

I am not sure what you mean by the polaroud thing. Mostly the only evidence I have seen are phots of million year old craters on the Moon. Are photos only good if they are supportive of what you believe?Let me just for fun accept that long ago the Moon was impacted by many large objects. So what happened then? Can you give me specifics about how these impacts affected the earth-moon system? About how they may have affected life on earth at the time?I claim that even if these craters were caused by impacts millions of years ago they still tell us nothing about how safe they were for the earth-moon system and for life on earth at the time they happened.

Bolding mine.

Now I'm just confused.Here was me thinking that you were not doubting past impacts on the moon.

I guess I'll just have to retract this statement....

protostar, on 01 November 2009 - 12:15 PM, said:

I don't think that Trueyou is denying that large impacts have taken place in the past.

... screw it up and throw it in the bin.


And, you still have not explained how seismic activity on the moon can alter its mass or velocity or orbit thereby changing it's gravitational relationship with Earth.

I'd like to know because, I'd like to know how much the Earths orbit around the sun has changed due to earthquakes and volcanoes.

[Slave2Fate]

I don't really understand what all the fuss is about. We know that small objects make small craters. There have been many terrestrial (and lunar) impact studies done, probably several being researched even now (*ahem* LCROSS ). The logical inference here would be that if small objects create small craters then large objects would make large craters. Logic in it's simplest form. Adding to that logic string, there are two objects that we see predominately whizzing through the universe with enough mass and velocity to create impact craters of varying sizes, meteors and comets. Logic would seem to point to meteors/comets as being the culprits for these large craters on the moon (and Earth, as well as the rest of the planets/moons in our solar system). I remember hearing someone somewhere say that the universe is "one big shooting gallery". While it is true that we don't know for certain what created some of the craters on the moon, we don't have any evidence that they weren't caused by meteors or comets.

As for any inherent dangers involved in significant impacts I can only say...so? If there were ever an object large enough to disrupt the Earth/Moon system there isn't anything we can currently do about it anyway. Furthermore, it has been explained ad nauseum that LCROSS (and any future lunar impact missions) are entirely negligible when compared to the mass of the moon. So my advice is...relax a little and be glad of the science taking place.

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[TRUEYOUTRUEME]

I will have to answer any posts to me at a later time but I thought I would share this from today’s news (Space.com) being that it is specifically on target for the topic of this thread:

Moon's Friends Say 'No' to Future Lunar Crashes

[Hazzard]

TRUEYOUTRUEME, on 06 November 2009 - 03:27 PM, said:

I will have to answer any posts to me at a later time but I thought I would share this from today’s news (Space.com) being that it is specifically on target for the topic of this thread:

Moon's Friends Say 'No' to Future Lunar Crashes

I agree 100% with the first two replies to that article...

wow....am I the only one who felt their IQ drop while reading what these people had against the LCROSS mission?

and...

Damn moon hippies. Put down your magic brownies and get a clue.