[fractalconsciousness]

man was genetically engineered by the anunnaki an extra terrestrial life form who mirrored our own appearance thus "man was created in gods image" god being the ETS known as the anunnaki.

[Agent. Mulder]

fractalconsciousness, on 05 November 2009 - 04:19 AM, said:

man was genetically engineered by the anunnaki an extra terrestrial life form who mirrored our own appearance thus "man was created in gods image" god being the ETS known as the anunnaki.

no.
they didnt create us in their image, unless they set the whole thing in motion from the begining, and placed the first drop of life on earth then let us evolve. thats possible, you cant disprove ET's didnt start it (i, in some ways believe they may have). but they did not create us as humans we see today. we know that as fact. we evolved into what we are.
also, i really couldnt tell if the post was sarcasm.

[tinieblas]

Translation; we don't know either but there is no force on Earth which is going to make us admit to that because it would be admitting that they don't know everything. That would be worse than being nice to one of us! Lol

The fact is we, the open-minded, are speculating and claiming to know everything or anything definate; we're simply throwing stuff out there with the hope of coming to some concensus. We don't claim to hold all the facts, so we can admit being wrong......some folks on here cannot.

Fact is there are gaps in our knowledge into which many possible ideas can be thrown in, including interferance by an external agency. Look, I like to say that all myths and legends are two things; firstly the attempts by civilisations to try and understand something which exists beyond their personal experience; be it a major event or stories they have heard 2nd or 3rd hand. Also that they can, if people look back and peel away the mythical and allegorical layers, contain a small grain or kernal of truth. We know form Roman records that a man known as Joshua Ben Jusef was crucified for sedition 2000 years ago. But we have the myth which abides today of the Son of God and Messiah....which this man may or may not have been....but in this story these is a grain of truth; this man existed and perhaps tried to be the first to teach Buddhism outside of India. Thus in creation and god myths there may also be a grain of truth, who knowns? Not I and not anyone here; we can only guess

[TheSearcher]

Swede, on 05 November 2009 - 04:23 AM, said:

I've had a long day and thus don't have the time to properly address the above, though I will attempt to do so tomorrow should you wish. In the meantime, it may be helpful to look into the sequence of cultural development re: post glaciation/environment/Altithermal/population density/semi-domestication of native cultivars/progressive utilization of developed domesticates such as Cucurbitae and Zea maize/cultural dissemination of said species/development of lithic construction technologies.

Sorry folks, I realize that I am once again having to present cultural and time-line related factors. It is not my intent to bore those aware of these aspects.

Actually Swede, please post away, I do not find it boring at all and to be honest, Lightlyy did ask a somewhat valid question, even though asked in a somewhat convoluted manner (no offence Lightlyy )

[lightlyy]

none taken Searcher ... i'm pleased that you consider my point to be somewhat valid.

[Qoais]

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Swede
Sorry folks, I realize that I am once again having to present cultural and time-line related factors. It is not my intent to bore those aware of these aspects.

Hilarious. There's sooooo many in here who are totally aware of "the sequence of cultural development re: post glaciation/environment/Altithermal/population density/semi-domestication of native cultivars/progressive utilization of developed domesticates such as Cucurbitae and Zea maize/cultural dissemination of said species/development of lithic construction technologies" that I'm sure you've bored them all to tears

[Qoais]

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It's beginning to sound like hunter gatherers sprinted from Alaska to mexico,central, and south america learning amazing! masonry skills and developing complex agriculturally based cultures on their way there . ... Like Fog Horn Leghorn used to say... " This just don't add up. " ? ?

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The Bering land bridge was a land bridge roughly 1,000 miles (1,600 km) north to south at its greatest extent, which joined present-day Alaska and eastern Siberia at various times during the Pleistocene ice ages. It was not glaciated because snowfall was extremely light due to the southwesterly winds from the Pacific Ocean having lost their moisture over the fully glaciated Alaska Range. The grassland steppe, including the land bridge, that stretched for several hundred miles into the continents on either side has been called Beringia. It is believed that a small human population of at most a few thousand survived the Last Glacial Maximum in Beringia, isolated from its ancestor populations in Asia for at least 5,000 years, before expanding to populate the Americas sometime after 16,500 years ago, as the American glaciers blocking the way southward melted.

ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beringia

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The Clovis culture (sometimes referred to as the Llano culture[1]) is a prehistoric Paleoindian culture that first appears in the archaeological record of North America around 11,500 rcbp radiocarbon years ago, at the end of the last glacial period, characterized by a particular tool kit adapted to the hunting of large mammals. Archaeologists' most precise determinations at present suggest that this radiocarbon age is equal to roughly 13,000 calendar years ago. The Clovis culture is thought to have lasted between 200 and 800 years, depending on the source consulted, with an average estimate of around 500 years, starting about 13,000 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia..../Clovis_culture

Radiocarbon years and calendar years don't always match, because the atmospheric abundance of carbon 14—which is absorbed by all living things and on which radiocarbon dating is based—has varied over time.





Ancient Stone "Tools" Found; May Be Among Americas' Oldest (February 15, 2007)
The Genographic Project: A Landmark Study of Human Migration
First Americans Arrived Recently, Settled Pacific Coast, DNA Study Says (February 2, 2007)
For their study, the researchers reevaluated materials from all known Clovis sites.

The data the researchers collected narrowed the Clovis time frame to between 11,050 and 10,800 radiocarbon years ago. This translates to roughly 13,100 to 12,900 calendar years ago—a duration of 200 years.

A number of archaeological sites in South America have yielded the same dates.

"The Clovis-first model says it would have taken anywhere from 700 to 1,000 years for people to reach the southern tip of South America," Waters said. "It seems highly unlikely that the Clovis people could have flown down there in 200 years.

"This indicates pretty strongly that there were people living in both hemispheres at the same time."

http://news.national...mericans_2.html

We already have a discrepancy of 3500 years from the first article showing the people came throught the Bering straight 16,500 years ago, to the last article saying the Clovis people at 13,000 years.

This post has been edited by Qoais: 05 November 2009 - 09:35 PM

[Qoais]

Tom Dillehay, the chair of the anthropology department at Tennessee's Vanderbilt University, suggested that it's time to lay the Clovis-first model to rest.

"Now we can perhaps begin to ask new kinds of research questions," Dillehay said, "about the timing of this existing population, about migrations and movements, and what's going on in North versus South America."

http://news.national...mericans_2.html

I like his attitude.

[Qoais]

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Dating of squash seeds from a cave in Oaxaca, Mexico, has confirmed that plant domestication in the Americas began some 10,000 years ago. The new finding, reported by Smithsonian archaeologist Bruce Smith in the journal Science, indicates that planting began in the New World about the same time as in the Near East and China.

http://www.archaeolo...efs/squash.html

Ok - so the Clovis people we have at 13000 years ago, and now we have domesticated seeding of squash in Mexico at 10,000 years ago. We've lost another 3,000 years. What the hell was everyone doing all the while? Going to classes on making big blocks of stone with amazing edges and angles?

[questionmark]

Qoais, on 05 November 2009 - 11:44 PM, said:

http://www.archaeolo...efs/squash.html

Ok - so the Clovis people we have at 13000 years ago, and now we have domesticated seeding of squash in Mexico at 10,000 years ago. We've lost another 3,000 years. What the hell was everyone doing all the while? Going to classes on making big blocks of stone with amazing edges and angles?

It is a fact throughout history that the time in which knowledge doubles gets shorter with time by a known progression (give or take a few percent). If you take the simple progression formula and calculate back you will notice that the time in which knowledge doubled at about 10000 BC would have been about 1400 years.

[Qoais]

Nope - not building classes for making large rocks, they seemed to already know how to do that.

Traces of an Unknown Culture from 5000 BCE Found in Texas

Photo: Attending reburial of ancient remains.

A study of ancient human remains and artifacts found in the Guadalupe River floodplain of south Victoria County (Texas, USA) shows that a relatively advanced people who had contacts with others living hundreds of miles away populated the area.

"We did not know this culture existed. Period," said Bob Ricklis, the lead archaeologist studying the items. "We didn't know anything about it, but they are more advanced than we would have expected," Ricklis said.

Ricklis is director of the Corpus Christi office of Coastal Environments Inc., which conducted the archaeological dig to unearth and study the human remains and artifacts discovered at the Buckeye Knoll site near the Invista plant.

The excavation produced a large collection of artifacts dating back from 500 to 10,000 years, Ricklis said.

A prehistoric cemetery thought to date back at least 7,000 years was also discovered. "It's one of only three of that magnitude in North America," Ricklis said. He noted that the other known cemeteries older than 5,000 years are Carrier Mills in Southern Illinois and Windover on the east coast of Florida.

He also said archaeologists didn't even suspect that people in Texas had major cemeteries 7,000 years ago. "It's a sizeable cemetery," Ricklis said. "We excavated about 80 burials, but there are a lot more than that in the site."

He estimated there could be as many as 200 burials there that date back 7,000 years. Based on radiocarbon dating, he said, the oldest of the human remains tested dates back 8,500 years.

Ricklis said researchers are confident the site was occupied as far back as 10,000 years ago because of flint points found there that are known to be from that period.

"Specifically, we found dart points of the Golondrina, St. Mary's Hall and Wilson types, all known to date to before 9,000 years ago."

Ricklis said he has no idea where the predecessors of these Native Americans originated, but there is nothing to indicate a European connection.

He said they could be part of an early population that may have come from northeast Asia. But he added some in the field question that and believe there may have been immigrants from Europe or the Pacific region who contributed to early American populations.

"Probably the most interesting thing we have regarding the cemetery is a lot of artifacts found with the burials and placed in the graves as offerings," Ricklis said.

He said those artifacts are evidence of links to the Mississippi River Valley, the Southeast United States and possibly even Mexico. Examples include bannerstones, flint projectile points, beads, shell pendants, and bone and antler tools for working flint.

A bannerstone is a piece of stone that was worked by pecking and grinding into an oblong shape. It was typically 4 to 6 inches long, carefully crafted and usually smoothed, sometimes to a polish.

Also found were plummets, or teardrop-shaped stones, that have been drilled and are more typical of the Southeast for this time period.

Ricklis said he still doesn't have the final report on the physical anthropology showing the sex and age of the people. But the study showed there were several individuals who lived to be 70 years old and still had their teeth, indicating they led relatively healthy lives.

He said he's not sure what the typical lifespan would have been for these people. But he said he would expect hunter-gatherers to have had a lifespan of 45 to 50 years.

It appears they had a diet that was a mix of plants and animals they got from the local river floodplain and the prairie environment.

There were also indications they brought food from the coast.

Located in the heart of modern-day New England stand sites of such great antiquity; sites so enigmatic, so sophisticated and seemingly inexplicable, serious scientists and archaeologists have denied their study because of their monumental implications: It would force them to throw away their pre-conceived notions about the achievements of ancient man into the historical garbage can.

Mystery Hill, the Upton Cave, Calendar I and Calendar II, Gungywamp and Druid’s Hill are just several of the names given some incredibly important historical sites of which many have never heard a whisper.

But their existence—and their importance—is becoming harder and harder to hide as more are discovered and interested folk become exposed to their grandeur.

Sometime in the late 1600s or early 1700s, early American colonists began discovering and utilizing underground "root cellars" made of large, but manageable pieces of dressed stone as storage houses for food stuffs.

Colonists were also finding numerous stone buildings, usually of "one story, circular or rectangular in form, and up to 30 feet in length and up to 10 feet wide and eight feet high or more." Many included roof slabs or lintels of several tons.

Many also had carefully crafted openings in their roofs which allowed a small amount of light to pass through to the interiors.

The colonial newcomers were convinced that these so-called root cellars had been constructed by the former Amerind inhabitants of the area—irregardless of the fact that their Indian neighbors showed little hint of an ability to work in large stone or the desire to do so.

Before long, the inheritors of these properties thought their own American ancestors had built these cellars—some which were eighty feet deep and lined the entire way with roughly hewn stone.

Simultaneously, hundreds, perhaps thousands, of oddly-inscribed flagstones were being found in the surrounding New England woods, carted off by farmers for use in stone walls or in larger stone structures in the settlements of the growing northeast.

http://www.s8int.com/page38.html

[Ikki]

Qoais, on 05 November 2009 - 09:57 PM, said:

http://www.s8int.com/page38.html

I actually thought this sounded exciting until I saw the source. Please, Qoais, check where you get your info. You might as well consult a lobster.

[Agent. Mulder]

Ikki, on 05 November 2009 - 10:09 PM, said:

I actually thought this sounded exciting until I saw the source. Please, Qoais, check where you get your info. You might as well consult a lobster.

agreed.
OOPARTS
(out of place artifacts)
&
ANCIENT HIGH TECHNOLOGY
--Evidence of Noah's Flood?
i decided to stop readin after that, when i was on the home page: http://www.s8int.com/

[Qoais]

Ikki, on 05 November 2009 - 02:09 PM, said:

I actually thought this sounded exciting until I saw the source. Please, Qoais, check where you get your info. You might as well consult a lobster.

Are you both saying then, that the information in the article I posted is erroneous? If so, please link me to the information refuting these stories.
Thank you.

[Qoais]

I spent some wonderful hours with this man hiking the woodlands and visiting the last remaining earthworks left by what was identified as a Hopewellian culture that existed prior to the Native American tribes that met European settlers.

The unanswered question in all of this was just who these people were that devoted their time turning thousands of acres of land into magnificent patterns that could have mostly been appreciated from the air? And why would they build large mounds of earth, sometimes hundreds of feet wide? Excavation revealed that some, but not all were burial sites.

Some of the mounds had oval or horseshoe shapes, and yet others, like the massive earthwork in neighboring Ohio, were serpentine.

In Michigan’s Upper Peninsula, near the site of the Keweenaw copper deposits, have been found interesting rock formations with strange carved markings. Historian Paul Tudor Angel writes that the inscriptions have been identified as ogamic and believed made by Punic and Keltic travelers from Europe who not only explored the area, but brought copper back to their native land as early as five to eight centuries B.C.

Not only that, but the English explorers who came to the area in the 1400s were surprised to come upon a tribe of blond-haired, blue-eyed Mandan Indians that spoke a form of ancient Gaelic. Some of the English explorers, who were familiar with the Gaelic languages of Ireland and Scotland, were able to converse with them, Angel writes.

How could this be? What is the real history of North America and who left their marks not only in the elaborate variety of earthen works found throughout the Midwest, but an elaborate display of megaliths, or giant rock structures, in the Northeast?

In an article titled “The Mysterious Megaliths of New England,” Angel notes that a wide variety of amazing rock structures are still found throughout New England that he claims are “so sophisticated and seemingly inexplicable, serious scientists and archaeologists have denied their study because of their monumental implications.”

Those “implications,” Angel suggests, are that someone else not only discovered North America, but explored and settled much of the continent long before Columbus ever made his historical voyages.

That someone also preceded the claims that the Viking, Leif Eriksen, was the first when he brought a band of explorers to Newfoundland to build a settlement of Vineland in about the year 1000.

The megaliths in the New England area are strangely similar to rock fortifications found throughout England, Scotland and Ireland, all of them dating back to a time before Christ and before the Roman Empire.

A clue as to their origins was uncovered by Barry Fell, archaeologist and language specialist, and author of the book “America, B.C.” in which he claims the inscriptions found on the New England stones were left by both Kelts and Phoenicians.

The Kelts were the ancestors of the Irish, Scotch, Welch and others of Europe. The Phoenicians were the forefathers of the Palestinians.

The early record indicates that both the Kelts and the Phoenicians were excellent shipbuilders and sailors. Both cultures developed navies of several hundred ships and were involved in exploration for great distances south along the African coast as far east as India. What was to prevent them from traveling west to the coast of America?

Both cultures seem to have reached the American coast and cohabitated there in the same area. The inscriptions on the rocks in New England include both Keltic ogam and Phoenician symbols. Both cultures were Gnostics, who built temples for worship of Baal, the god of the Sun. The Druids were among the Kelts.
http://perdurabo10.t...com/id1074.html

Who Built New England’s Megalithic Monuments?

By Paul Tudor Angel


In “The Mysterious Megaliths of New England,” (in the last issue of PVQ) we discussed the ancient megalithic constructions found throughout New England (most notably at Mystery Hill, near North Salem, New Hampshire) and their striking resemblance to those found in Europe. In this issue we discuss the thousands of mysterious inscriptions that have been found and are continuing to be found from New England to California and the clues these writings have given us about the builders of the megalithic calendar sites of the American Northeast.
For generations, farmers and explorers have been finding what they assumed were random incisions on stones throughout the Northeast United States. Very little was thought of the odd rocks until archeologist and language specialist Barry Fell, the man singularly responsible for bringing the importance of these scratches to national attention in his monumental work America, B.C., recognized they were ancient writings and actually deciphered one of these inscriptions in 1967.

This stone, found at what has come to be known as the Mystery Hill megalithic complex, bore an inscription in what Fell determined was the vowelless style of Keltic Iberian ogam. Much to Fell’s astonishment, the writing turned out to be a temple dedication to the Phoenician Sun god Baal. Another nearby Keltic ogam inscription was deciphered as reading “Dedicated to Bel,” Bel being the Keltic god of the Sun and one and the same with the Phoenician god Baal. The ogam-inscribed flagstone was found near an underground stone chamber aligned to the sunrise of May 1—the sacred day of Bel.
http://planetvermont.../megaliths.html

Before anyone jumps in and says anything nasty about Barry Fell, don't just repeat what you've read on the net - as everyone keeps telling ME - and give credit where credit is due.
http://www.equinox-p...t.com/DRFEL.HTM