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#226    DurgaMata

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 04:00 PM

View PostQoais, on 20 October 2009 - 02:46 PM, said:

Fringe writers should be thanked for getting so many people interested in subjects that would otherwise not get so much attention.

I agree with that but there comes a point where you realise these authors are making it up to sell books. Its like realising wrestling is fake as a kid and getting in to real sports (or not). Real history can be interesting too.


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Posted 20 October 2009 - 07:36 PM

View PostQoais, on 20 October 2009 - 02:46 PM, said:

The point is, this is a DISCUSSION place - a forum - a place where people discuss.  Not a place as has been said so often, to get a PhD.  If you get tired of answering the same question, why do you come here?  People ask the same question because they are not satisfied with the answer.  It doesn't mean they didn't understand the answer that was given.  It means they're searching for a better answer.  Fringe writers should be thanked for getting so many people interested in subjects that would otherwise not get so much attention.
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Posted 22 October 2009 - 02:53 AM

the question I have is, though; were the people this jewellary was linked to sea-faring though?  I imagine to see these rays/guitarfish etc one would need to live on or by the sea, no?  Did they?  

I see the veracity of both arguments and so far neither has convinced me definitively.  The main reason for this is the acidic acerbity of the 'no' crowd....closedmindedness doesn't tend to convince too strongly...

is it POSSIBLE I think the thread author is asking; not "am I a stupid spleen target"?

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 03:00 AM

Thanks tinieblas - I was going to ask that question too but totally forgot.  Not about being a target for vented spleen :) but how many of the artists of those artifacts ever saw a guitar fish?

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 10:38 AM

View Posttinieblas, on 22 October 2009 - 02:53 AM, said:

I see the veracity of both arguments and so far neither has convinced me definitively.  The main reason for this is the acidic acerbity of the 'no' crowd....closedmindedness doesn't tend to convince too strongly...

But you do understand the exasperation of having literally hundreds of little gold trinkets that unquestionably represent animals and insects from that entire area, and then picking out five or six of them out of the entire collection and saying:  "Except these!  These are actually airplanes!", right?  You can see where that sort of logic might seem like cherry-picking, don't you?


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Posted 22 October 2009 - 04:49 PM

View Posttinieblas, on 22 October 2009 - 02:53 AM, said:

the question I have is, though; were the people this jewellary was linked to sea-faring though?  I imagine to see these rays/guitarfish etc one would need to live on or by the sea, no?  Did they?  

That depends on what sort of trade network they had. From what I've read, the guitarfish it seems is considered good eatin'. Since they're common to south american coastal waters, I imagine they'd be a readily available and widely used commodity in preserved form.

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I see the veracity of both arguments and so far neither has convinced me definitively.  The main reason for this is the acidic acerbity of the 'no' crowd....closedmindedness doesn't tend to convince too strongly...
One notices that the recievers of this responce are usually pretty clear that they've made up their own minds already.

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 05:23 PM

View Poststevemagegod, on 20 October 2009 - 11:22 AM, said:

UFO Hunters had a episode about these planes they thought that they could be from are distant future. They have made a bigger model of them and they flew

What distant future??

Will they be flying these things in the distant future, AND be able to time-travel?

Come on.


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Posted 22 October 2009 - 05:32 PM

View Postaquatus1, on 22 October 2009 - 10:38 AM, said:

But you do understand the exasperation of having literally hundreds of little gold trinkets that unquestionably represent animals and insects from that entire area, and then picking out five or six of them out of the entire collection and saying:  "Except these!  These are actually airplanes!", right?  You can see where that sort of logic might seem like cherry-picking, don't you?


I love this.  This pretty much sums up what many of us have said again and again.

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 05:35 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 22 October 2009 - 05:23 PM, said:

What distant future??

Will they be flying these things in the distant future, AND be able to time-travel?

Come on.


Well...we do have this future historical archive footage.  They look happy and healty.


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Posted 22 October 2009 - 06:00 PM

My only hope for the future is that people prefer to use their frontal and pre-frontal lobes and not the pariental lobe ( responsible for religion and other imaginings ).

If we all insist in believing whatever suits our fantasies, we are doomed.

And yes, THEN the aliens will take over; aliens like the Hedgehogs and Squirrels.

No need for fancy big brains and large insect eyes, just make us believe whatever you like, and you will be our master.

We are a doomed species.



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Posted 22 October 2009 - 06:16 PM

I would just like to point out that in this thread is the first time I've ever heard there were more of the little gold artefacts representing all kinds of bugs and so forth.  All I've seen is the ones I posted a link to some time ago.  

Although time travel may seem like a fantasy right now, it seems this is not so far off the truth and who knows what will be discovered in say the next 20 years?  Have you not been following the news on the home page?
http://www.unexplain...s.php?id=166786

I still say that the ancient wise ones were using a mind altering substance to access what they thought was the spirit world but could have been visions of the future, or an alternate plane of existence wherein they saw modern technology.  Since there are things of the paranormal that although not accepted by some, do seem to have a great influence even so.  Spirit Guides are an accepted norm for most folks who believe in the paranormal, and it would seem they have access to knowledge far beyond our own, although I believe they have limitations.

Such sources of knowledge do not leave traces.

Edited by Qoais, 22 October 2009 - 06:17 PM.

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 06:34 PM

A mind altering substance....... that is lies told over and over and over again.

Even good'ol Joseph Goebels knew about that.

I can fabricate a really unbelievable story, post it on as many webistes as I can find, and then wait for the gullible to copy and paste it into their own sites.

Others will go Google, and find out that what they are looking for - and what will suit their agendas - is to be found all over the internet.

And therefore think it is all true.


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Qoais, you will know that I have been posting like crazy about "Doggerland".

I really wanted people to add info about the topic, but not many - if any - did.

So I was thinking of posting about some recent find, dragged up by Dutch fishermen with their trawler.

I was thinking about creating a site about that find. It's very easy , you know; I could create a scientifically looking site in - let's say - an hour.

And then most of you would go  "Aaahhhh!!", and believe anything you read on that site.

But I didn't. And why did I not do it? Because the topic really interests me, and I want to find out as much true info as I can get about it.

And I don't want to create lies or fairy tales to get people go "ahhhh".







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Posted 22 October 2009 - 07:36 PM

Abe, I don't know what you're on about.  I came up with the idea of mind altering substances on my own, and then went out to check and see if anyone else thought as I did.  I try to do my own thinking.  I am not a robot just repeating everything fed into me. When I started out looking for Atlantis, I travelled many roads, and made a lot of mistakes.  It was a wonderful education for me because I learned so much that I didn't know before.  

People kept asking why there was no evidence to be found for alien spacecraft.  I thought about it, and came up with an answer.  If you don't like that answer, I can't help it.  BUT, it does explain how at certain times humans seem to have stumbled onto higher knowledge than the level of their current development and there doesn't seem to be a hard core scientific explanation.  Since I am psychic on an intuitive level, it is not difficult for me to understand or accept that the mind is a many splendored thing.  We learn through dreams, we learn through astral travel, we learn by raising our awareness.  It seems you may be afraid to accept that there ARE things in this world beyond our current scientific knowledge.  It's fine to be scientific, but broaden your horizons.  It isn't painful you know.

An open-minded view of the past allows for an unprejudiced glimpse into the future.

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 07:54 PM

View PostQoais, on 22 October 2009 - 07:36 PM, said:

Abe, I don't know what you're on about.  I came up with the idea of mind altering substances on my own, and then went out to check and see if anyone else thought as I did.  I try to do my own thinking.  I am not a robot just repeating everything fed into me. When I started out looking for Atlantis, I travelled many roads, and made a lot of mistakes.  It was a wonderful education for me because I learned so much that I didn't know before.  

People kept asking why there was no evidence to be found for alien spacecraft.  I thought about it, and came up with an answer.  If you don't like that answer, I can't help it.  BUT, it does explain how at certain times humans seem to have stumbled onto higher knowledge than the level of their current development and there doesn't seem to be a hard core scientific explanation.  Since I am psychic on an intuitive level, it is not difficult for me to understand or accept that the mind is a many splendored thing.  We learn through dreams, we learn through astral travel, we learn by raising our awareness.  It seems you may be afraid to accept that there ARE things in this world beyond our current scientific knowledge.  It's fine to be scientific, but broaden your horizons.  It isn't painful you know.


I tell you, I have a site about Carlos Castaneda, and it's known amongst the true believers.

Google "Twilight Zone" and "Castaneda" and you will know where you can find me.

I have dealed with socalled 'psychics' for years now, and they don't make a big impression on me by what they say.

They have lots of lovely and stunning dreams, but those dreams are rarely if ever close to what we call reality.

Sorry.


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Posted 23 October 2009 - 02:57 AM

View Postaquatus1, on 22 October 2009 - 10:38 AM, said:

But you do understand the exasperation of having literally hundreds of little gold trinkets that unquestionably represent animals and insects from that entire area, and then picking out five or six of them out of the entire collection and saying:  "Except these!  These are actually airplanes!", right?  You can see where that sort of logic might seem like cherry-picking, don't you?

Let us see more details, Aquatis. Have a look at MY cherry-picking:

Posted Image Boeing brooch, 1950s

Posted Image sterling airplane (USA)

Posted Image Rhinestone airplane

Posted Image World War II airplane brooch

Posted Image airplane brooch, $2.50

Posted Image Blinking airplane pendant


Etc, etc, etc. Of course, its more flowers and animals available. Actually - there were few almost exactly like those precolumbian ones, but with rhinestones, pity the forum does not take png-files. :)





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