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[jel0sh]

I haven't really heard too much about this from anywhere else but I've been thinking. I personally think its a lot more likely that if anything happens in 2012 it will probably not be the end of the world but perhaps the end of our current age & beginning of a new age. Just looking at how thinks have been developing the past few years leading up to 2012 it seems like something big might be coming, like maybe we are being prepared for something. With India & China & other countries working hard to get their men to the moon & the U.S. wanting to go back to the moon now. & it seems like our new discoveries of other planets & facts about the moon & mars might be ramping up. & you have governments in the UK finally releasing their UFO files. I personally think that things might be heading toward a major discovery or major reveal that we aren't alone in this universe & that alien life has & does visit us & this will lead us to come together in peace as a planet & venture out into space with the help of some alien technology...if they feel we are ready to get it. You know kinda like in star trek lol. What do you all think? I mean besides thinking I'm crazy.lol

[Coffey]

I hope so, I have thought about this a lot and spoken to my girlfriend about it. (she feels the same way)

Hopefully we will be united with brothers and sisters from another world etc. (Or dimension, you never know!)


I prefer this theory to the end of the world. lol

[digitalartist]

It's the end of an age marked by the end of a calendar, in much the same way the end of the year is marked by December 31st.  Nothing more or less.  No ending of the world and no uniting with relatives from another planet, just the end of one day and the beginning of another.

[maximaldecimal]

Not to sound too contradictory but I have a great hope that science and religion will stop trying to trounce each other and accept that they cover different aspects of what is.  I think the alignment will change things.  I think that these things will be subtle and are well on thier way to happening now, and I know that change is constant.  I have great hope for 2013 and think a positive trend in thinking is not only prudent, but also healthy, and necissary.  The outlook of just another day is fine for some and better than apokolypse, but at the same time the winter solstice is in many respects a holiday.  Ergo any religious speculation is up to the individual or group base on personal belief as well as parablic fact.      

In other words I hope so too.

[Coffey]

digitalartist, on 20 October 2009 - 07:09 PM, said:

It's the end of an age marked by the end of a calendar, in much the same way the end of the year is marked by December 31st.  Nothing more or less.  No ending of the world and no uniting with relatives from another planet, just the end of one day and the beginning of another.

You can't say that like it is fact, you need to back up what you write if you try and say "this is how it is and there is nothing else". That is just ignorance.

[Deceiver]

"The beginning of a new age" hmm?
More likely the beginning of a new year, just the same as all the other ones...

[Cynical Sounds]

jel0sh, on 20 October 2009 - 05:59 PM, said:

I haven't really heard too much about this from anywhere else but I've been thinking. I personally think its a lot more likely that if anything happens in 2012 it will probably not be the end of the world but perhaps the end of our current age & beginning of a new age. Just looking at how thinks have been developing the past few years leading up to 2012 it seems like something big might be coming, like maybe we are being prepared for something. With India & China & other countries working hard to get their men to the moon & the U.S. wanting to go back to the moon now. & it seems like our new discoveries of other planets & facts about the moon & mars might be ramping up. & you have governments in the UK finally releasing their UFO files. I personally think that things might be heading toward a major discovery or major reveal that we aren't alone in this universe & that alien life has & does visit us & this will lead us to come together in peace as a planet & venture out into space with the help of some alien technology...if they feel we are ready to get it. You know kinda like in star trek lol. What do you all think? I mean besides thinking I'm crazy.lol

sorry but going for the obvious questions

A: how did the mayans work out that this would be the year either the government or alien life itself decides to reveal itself

B: Why do you think this was the reason behind the mayan long count ending

[digitalartist]

Coffey, on 22 October 2009 - 08:10 AM, said:

You can't say that like it is fact, you need to back up what you write if you try and say "this is how it is and there is nothing else". That is just ignorance.

Calendars, unless you can show otherwise, are nothing more than devices to display certain periods of time.  Whether they show days, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries, millenia, or ages.  The end of the 2009 calendar is followed by the beginning of the 2010 calendar even if they don't print out a single calendar.  Likewise the end of the current mayan long count would be followed by the next mayan long count even if no one chisels it in stone.  Of course if all life ends at the completion of the current mayan long count it's a moot point.  Combine that with the statement of the current Mayan indians that is counter to the hype about Mayan predictions for 2012 and you can pretty much say with assurance what I said.

Edited by digitalartist, 22 October 2009 - 07:40 PM.

[tinieblas]

Yep, Nostrodamus said 2012 was the "end of the world AS WE KNOW IT" not the end of the world full stop.

The Mayan Great Ages culminate in significant, paradigm shifting events but not the END of everything; rather changes in human society.  Consider the Ages in Tolkien's fiction; he based these on both Mayan and Norse sources; big important thing happens, one Age ends, a new Age begins.  Things are different but not over.

Merlin spoke of the Great Change in the Mind of Man

Mother Shipton also said it was not the permanent end

every prophecy has been, as is the human wont, misunderstood and sensationalised.  What MAY, and what I think WILL happen is a big change which will spell a new phase or stage in human evolution or the evolution of human society...

the Metaphysical among you might like to look up St Teilhard de Chardin and the Omega Point; this one intrigues me...and he's so far away from New Age it's scary....yet it sounds so New Age.....maybe this ontogenesis is what'll happen?

Those who I call scienciophiles though, who say "if someone hasn't written it down in complicated latin, maybe involving greek characters and mind-fuddling logic then it isn't real" will not accept anything which may sound even vaguely mystical or metaphysical unless someone "proves" it and encodes it in an over convoluted name....so don't expect them to even consider the possibility....just sit back and wait be patient and practise your best last laugh laugh!

Edited by tinieblas, 23 October 2009 - 05:04 AM.

[Cynical Sounds]

tinieblas, on 23 October 2009 - 04:57 AM, said:

Yep, Nostrodamus said 2012 was the "end of the world AS WE KNOW IT" not the end of the world full stop.

The Mayan Great Ages culminate in significant, paradigm shifting events but not the END of everything; rather changes in human society.  Consider the Ages in Tolkien's fiction; he based these on both Mayan and Norse sources; big important thing happens, one Age ends, a new Age begins.  Things are different but not over.

Merlin spoke of the Great Change in the Mind of Man

Mother Shipton also said it was not the permanent end

A: no the mayans did not they put no more significance to the end of this calender (thats what it is like the one u got on your wall only bigger) than any other, In other words they may have been planning a celebration but thats about it. It just a calendar like all the other calendars they used. but i guess this is just what respected historians archaeologist and modern mayans think so I guess it doesnt count

B: Merlin? like the wizard? like the wizard who first appears in Geoffrey of Monmouth fictional arthurian tales while Arther may have been based on celtic and welsh legend the exact roots are lost

C: Mother shipton is never mention 2012 specifically in any prediction and is likely a fictional construct

D: Nostradamus ahhh at least u can rely on him, so what the 1982 book contains 3 completely different styles of handwriting or that it is a copy of an original so damaged most of it could not be deciphered it 1992-2012 prediction fits in nicely and your sort of right it only indicated the world will end it doesn't specifically say it will

[stereologist]

For those too young here to have seen the end of the X-files theories, but the TV show ends with the claim that the Mayan long count calendar marks the day that the alien invasion begins. So odd claims associated with a long unused calendar that is about to 'wrap around' to a new calendar are not new.

For those who know little about calendars I suggest you take the time to see how many different calendars are in use today. If you live in the US you might want to find out how many different days of the year Easter is celebrated. You might want to learn why determining an historical date is hard (hint: not everyone is agreeing to which calendar was in use).

[Siara]

jel0sh- you're theory of what 2012 means is much more in line with ancient Mayan beliefs than all the rumors going around the net.  2012 is merely the end of the largest cycle in the Mayan calendar.

(sometimes I wonder if people HOPE for the end of the world because they're bored)

[tinieblas]

*sigh*  I hate to lecture on the obvious but it has always been my understanding that calendars mark the passage of a period of time AND mark the locations of key events of significance; or am I just wierd for thinking that?  To ask a question, who does NOT mark birthdays, important dates and things to remember on THEIR calendar? Why could the Maya have not done the same eh?

I think the point of representing time in any concrete form is to be able to mark and indicate the positions of events within that passage of time?

Perhaps a semantic point but a valid one to my mind

Like several people here though, I do hope that some things will change because our society today is a not really worth preserving in it's current state; humanity has forgotten what it means to be human after having pretty much wiped out any peoples who still knew how to do it....pathetic

Edited by tinieblas, 26 October 2009 - 12:24 AM.

[lookingfortruth]

Coffey, on 22 October 2009 - 08:10 AM, said:

You can't say that like it is fact, you need to back up what you write if you try and say "this is how it is and there is nothing else". That is just ignorance.

  

So why do you think any differently? If you can't give him anything to provide facts for why would you assume that its ignorance?

Edited by lookingfortruth, 26 October 2009 - 12:32 AM.

[tinieblas]

Spend, on 23 October 2009 - 09:12 AM, said:

A: no the mayans did not they put no more significance to the end of this calender (thats what it is like the one u got on your wall only bigger) than any other, In other words they may have been planning a celebration but thats about it. It just a calendar like all the other calendars they used. but i guess this is just what respected historians archaeologist and modern mayans think so I guess it doesnt count

the modern Mayans i work with here say different; in their culture, as it remains today (do some more research and find out about the modern Maya in Guatemala and Honduras for example

B: Merlin? like the wizard? like the wizard who first appears in Geoffrey of Monmouth fictional arthurian tales while Arther may have been based on celtic and welsh legend the exact roots are lost

hahaha do some research silly!  There was more than one Myrddyn ; we only remember the Geoff and Mallory King Arthur version but there were a number of people named Merlin or Myrddyn hence the mythology about him being immortal

C: Mother shipton is never mention 2012 specifically in any prediction and is likely a fictional construct

be that as it may, she got several things right before and her books are terribly interesting

D: Nostradamus ahhh at least u can rely on him, so what the 1982 book contains 3 completely different styles of handwriting or that it is a copy of an original so damaged most of it could not be deciphered it 1992-2012 prediction fits in nicely and your sort of right it only indicated the world will end it doesn't specifically say it will

[that's why I sought out the older copies which you can find in the old bookstores popular in England, the ones with the Latin quatrain followed by English translations [/b]

to follow on also, here's some info on Myrddyn for you; there are at least 3 merlin characters in Celtic folklore; two of which Geoffory of Monmout combined;  Myrddin Wylt, Myddyn Emrys & Myddyn Ambrosius; all of whom existed in descrete periods of time.

The others are up to you to research