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Riaan, on 24 October 2009 - 10:10 AM, said:
Speaking of the wolf, I thought I'd add something about John the Beloved and John of Gischala as well.
Similarities between John of Gischala and John the Beloved:
1) John of Gischala was an adversary of Simon bar Giora, while John the Beloved and Simon Peter both were disciples of Christ.
2) Both Johns were sentenced to life imprisonment.
3) The father of JB was a man called Zebedee, meaning The Wolf or Wolf Leader, from the Hebrew words Ze'eb, pronounced zeh-abe', meaning wolf, and diy, pronounced dee, meaning that/the. The title 'Wolf' already suggests violence.
4) Christ named John and James Boanerges, which may be interpreted as Halloo-er of the Penis Lord, from the Greek word boao (to halloo = to excite a pack of hunting dogs – or wolves? – before the kill) and the Sumerian words Ner (Lord) and Ges (Penis). The name Gischala likewise appears to be of Sumerian origin, Gis (penis) ka (mouth) la (youthful, young), with an obvious inference.
5) John the Beloved and John of Gischala both displayed what appears to be homosexual behaviour [War IV, 9 (10)].
6) Josephus describes John of Gischala as a young man who began with petty theft but eventually formed a band of hundreds of men (robbers) and became "the most brutal, blood thirsty and cruelest of all the savages who ravaged Palestine."
In a story related by Eusebius, John, who had just been released from prison after the death of Domitian, came across a youth who was ‘of fine stature and graceful countenance’. He entrusted the care of this youth to a bishop, who neglected to do so. The youth ganged up with men ‘familiar with every kind of wickedness’. The youth eventually formed them into a band of robbers and he became their captain, surpassing them all in violence, blood, and cruelty. John later confronted the youth, who was overcome with shame. John ‘interceded with Christ’ for him, the man then lamented bitterly to John, who embraced him and ‘found pardon for him in his prayers at the hands of Christ’.
The description of a young man formed a gang of robbers and became the cruellest of all in Palestine are probably more than coincidence. John the Beloved's version can be interpreted in four ways: a) Pure fiction b ) Such an unknown young man existed c) that young man was John of Gischala and he was confronted by John the Beloved d) John reflected on his past as a violent young man called John of Gischala, and 'absolved' himself in the name of Christ. The bishop to whom the youth was entrusted to would then have been Jesus Christ, who later teamed up with Mary Magdalene.
Do you agree that the two gentlemen may have been the same person?
Similarities between John of Gischala and John the Beloved:
1) John of Gischala was an adversary of Simon bar Giora, while John the Beloved and Simon Peter both were disciples of Christ.
2) Both Johns were sentenced to life imprisonment.
3) The father of JB was a man called Zebedee, meaning The Wolf or Wolf Leader, from the Hebrew words Ze'eb, pronounced zeh-abe', meaning wolf, and diy, pronounced dee, meaning that/the. The title 'Wolf' already suggests violence.
4) Christ named John and James Boanerges, which may be interpreted as Halloo-er of the Penis Lord, from the Greek word boao (to halloo = to excite a pack of hunting dogs – or wolves? – before the kill) and the Sumerian words Ner (Lord) and Ges (Penis). The name Gischala likewise appears to be of Sumerian origin, Gis (penis) ka (mouth) la (youthful, young), with an obvious inference.
5) John the Beloved and John of Gischala both displayed what appears to be homosexual behaviour [War IV, 9 (10)].
6) Josephus describes John of Gischala as a young man who began with petty theft but eventually formed a band of hundreds of men (robbers) and became "the most brutal, blood thirsty and cruelest of all the savages who ravaged Palestine."
In a story related by Eusebius, John, who had just been released from prison after the death of Domitian, came across a youth who was ‘of fine stature and graceful countenance’. He entrusted the care of this youth to a bishop, who neglected to do so. The youth ganged up with men ‘familiar with every kind of wickedness’. The youth eventually formed them into a band of robbers and he became their captain, surpassing them all in violence, blood, and cruelty. John later confronted the youth, who was overcome with shame. John ‘interceded with Christ’ for him, the man then lamented bitterly to John, who embraced him and ‘found pardon for him in his prayers at the hands of Christ’.
The description of a young man formed a gang of robbers and became the cruellest of all in Palestine are probably more than coincidence. John the Beloved's version can be interpreted in four ways: a) Pure fiction b ) Such an unknown young man existed c) that young man was John of Gischala and he was confronted by John the Beloved d) John reflected on his past as a violent young man called John of Gischala, and 'absolved' himself in the name of Christ. The bishop to whom the youth was entrusted to would then have been Jesus Christ, who later teamed up with Mary Magdalene.
Do you agree that the two gentlemen may have been the same person?
No opinions on this?
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