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digitalartist, on 27 October 2009 - 07:58 PM, said:

This is a major sticking point for me as all references to English Gematria show the values as A=6 and Z=156 with each letter 6 higher than the last.

The A = 6, B = 12, etc, system is popular and was in fact the first system I myself used. However I quickly abandoned it in favour of what seemed to me to be the more natural ordinal value system (also called simple English gematria), where A = 1 to Z = 26. I also discovered that others use this system, which has a long history.

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digitalartist, on 27 October 2009 - 08:32 PM, said:

"mysteriously influenced by 9/11"? Quite a stretch since books like the "two towers" were adaptations of the Tolkien books written decades before the twin towers were even built.

I've answered this already, but I'd like to repeat that The Two Towers was released in 2001, as was Oceans Eleven. It is this fact that strikes me as synchronous. Are you aware that the 9/11 Commision Hearings, the official hearings into 9/11, were completed 1010 days after 9/11? the 9/11 Commision Report was published 1045 (11 x 95) days after 9/11. There are many more strange numerical coincidences like that. The Great Northeastern USA blackout of 11/9/65 took place 13090 (11 x 1190) days before 9/11. A very famous UFO encounter, only two miles from where I live (at Dechmont Hill, Livingston, Scotland), took place on 11/9/79, 22 years before 9/11. A man called Bob Taylor (who was a colleague of a friend of mine and the ordinal value of whose name is 110) was working in some woods when he saw a UFO. Two spheres emerged from the UFO and attached themselves to his legs, ripping his trousers (I've seen the ripped trousers). Bob Taylor was not an attention seeker and eventually moved away from the area to get away from the media attention he received. The behaviour of the UFO has long ben considered a mystery, but you can hopefully now see that it was in fact a warning or premonition of 9/11. This also tells us something about the intentions of at least some parts of the UFO presence, whatever they may be. They know our future and are trying to help us.

digitalartist, on 27 October 2009 - 08:32 PM, said:

Such a shockwave would not be limited to movie makers I'm sure. Other artists, painters, sculpters, poets, writers would have been affected as well as other people and there would be a vast array of items to support your theory. However, such support is lacking.

You are absolutely right that the shockwaves would have affected many writers, artists, etc - and that is just what the evidence shows! I give some of it in my page Signs of the Times in my site the New Bible Code. There is much more though, and others have done far more work than me in this area. The site September11.com has gathered a lot of fascinating information on 9/11 and Osama bin Laden (whose life has been stampted with the number 11 and whose name also has an ordinal value of 110). The Bible itself is a cultural artifact that is saturated with 9/11 prophecies and elevenness. For instance, Revelation is the 66th book of the Bible, has 22 chapters and 404 verses.

digitalartist, on 27 October 2009 - 08:32 PM, said:

The problem with numerology is that you can do whatever calculations you need to come up with whatever numbers you want that will support whatever theory you can come up with. In the end, without something more substantial your theory most likely will remain unaccepted by the massses.

Have you read through my website? Please do so and you will find the substantial evidence you seek.

[Ryinrea]

The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers the movie was released in 2002 not 2001
The lord of the rings the two the book was written and published way before 9/11


United Kingdom
December 17, 2002
United States
December 18, 2002
New Zealand
December 19, 2002


The Harry potter books wear published Between 30 June 1997 – 21 July 2007

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Ryinrea, on 28 October 2009 - 04:23 AM, said:

The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers the movie was released in 2002 not 2001
The lord of the rings the two the book was written and published way before 9/11

Your absolutely right about the Two Towers film. My mistake - I was thinking of the first LOTR film. It was still close to 9/11, however: just over a year later. My point is that artists, writers and others who look deep within for inspiration have somehow picked up on 9/11 and this has influenced their work. Prophets, religious scribes and other holy men, who are in direct contact with the deepest levels of their unconscious (this is the very purpose of prayer), started picking up on 9/11 thousands of years ago, which is why it appears to have influenced the contents and evolution of the Bible. So, for instance, in Revelation 11, we have the two witnesses who are destroyed and whose bodies lie in the streets of the great city. In Daniel 8 a flying goat with a single horn attacks a ram and shatters its two long horns. Daniel 8 is the Bible's 858th chapter and 858 is 11 x 78. The fact that 9/11 has had such an influence is itself a testament to the importance of the event.

We have to understand the significance of what happened on 9/11 as it was an ''11th hour'' message for us. Part of our problem as a culture (at least in the west) is that we are excessively rational and have cut ourselves off from our intuitive side. This split in our minds (also symbolised by the twin towers) must be healed if we are to survive as a species. If we were more in touch with our own intuition, we wouldn't be arguing whether 9/11 had a deeper message for us - we would understand the message and be doing something about it. And the message is that we are in dire trouble.

[MrToft]

Hello Mr Triangle.
First of all let me state that this is in no way meant to put you down. It is always a good thing to educate one self, and learn about the realms beyond our limited human capacity for comprehension. However. In this learning proces, there are many pitfalls and obstacles. There are many sacrifises to be made, and a lot of growing up to do. So please do not take this the wrong way, as i write this to help you grow.
But trust me if you can. You are not a profet, nor a chosen one in any way. Had you been so, the good lord would most certainly have equiped you with better means of conveying your messages. Had what you claim been the only way to enterprit current events, I am sure the one who you feel chose you, would have shown you a way to be on national broadcastings and frontpages across the globe. And not in this obscure website, where mostly bewildered and attention hungry individuals will try to win some aknowledgement.
If there is indeed higher beeings of greater consciousness than ours, be certain that they would also be able to enlighten the rest of us. Would that not be a much more efficient way to let the peoples of earth open their eyes?
So in conclusion my good sir. Forget about terrorist or the pope. Since they are bound in this human condition just like all the rest of us. The answers to the questions you might have, are in your heart. The entire universe is within. And if you can manage to silence your thoughts and misunderstod presumtions about reality, you will find that you are not seperate from us. But one with the whole, a cell if you like, in a greater being. And the bliss of this realization will be beyons the grasp of anyone who insist on being more/different/better/apart/chosen over the rest of us.
Let the light shine in your heart, and let the pain of the dying ego, be gentle on you.

[Coffey]

Some people seriously need to learn the history of the bible before trying to use it like this, or quoting it as some sort of absurd evidence.

The bible has been edited to death, it has been edited so that the people in power can use it for laws and to make people follow the same path of life etc. The biggest evidence of this was with the Roman Empire using it to make the first laws to enslave everyone with. They edited the bible to suit them and I highly doubt that the modern world leaders are any different tbh. It's nice that so many people swear by the bible and it's "TRUTH" yet the people of the Vatican have vaults full of secrecy....... LMFAO

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MrToft, on 28 October 2009 - 10:57 AM, said:

But trust me if you can. You are not a profet, nor a chosen one in any way. Had you been so, the good lord would most certainly have equiped you with better means of conveying your messages. Had what you claim been the only way to enterprit current events, I am sure the one who you feel chose you, would have shown you a way to be on national broadcastings and frontpages across the globe. And not in this obscure website, where mostly bewildered and attention hungry individuals will try to win some aknowledgement.

You're right: I'm not a prophet. I'm an ordinary person who was given a job to do, and which I am doing to the best of my ability. I also know that I will never be famous and what I have to say will never be acceptd in my lifetime. The message of the code will, hopefully be heard by some, however, those who are ready to hear it. Others will be informed in other ways and in their own time. I have spread the message of the code in every way I can: on my website, in my book, on the radio, by giving talks and by coming onto forums such as this one.

MrToft, on 28 October 2009 - 10:57 AM, said:

If there is indeed higher beeings of greater consciousness than ours, be certain that they would also be able to enlighten the rest of us. Would that not be a much more efficient way to let the peoples of earth open their eyes?

The 'higher powers' are enlightening us! That was the purpose of 9/11, the most dramatic TV footage of all time, watched by the whole words. We now in fact talk of 'pre-9/11' and 'post-9/11' in the same way as we say 'BC' and 'AD'. Like the crucifixion, 9/11 split history in two. Even for those who have completely misunderstood 9/11, the event impacted their psyche in a huge way, which was part of its purpose and which will reap fruit in due course.

MrToft, on 28 October 2009 - 10:57 AM, said:

So in conclusion my good sir. Forget about terrorist or the pope. Since they are bound in this human condition just like all the rest of us. The answers to the questions you might have, are in your heart. The entire universe is within. And if you can manage to silence your thoughts and misunderstod presumtions about reality, you will find that you are not seperate from us. But one with the whole, a cell if you like, in a greater being. And the bliss of this realization will be beyons the grasp of anyone who insist on being more/different/better/apart/chosen over the rest of us.
Let the light shine in your heart, and let the pain of the dying ego, be gentle on you.

Thankyou for these nbeautiful words, will which I agree almost entirely. I also believe that the universe is within us, something I was taught during my own mystical experiences. Moreover, God is also within us and 9/11 was an event we ourselves generated, a violent but necessary wake up call for those of us who are lost in the illusions of this fictitious reality.

[Coffey]

It's funny how my post got completely ignored. Typical by the stereotype, if it doesn't fit for them, they ignore it or hide it in a vault. LOL

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[kelyna]

Oh my leaping lizards.......

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Coffey, on 28 October 2009 - 11:52 AM, said:

Some people seriously need to learn the history of the bible before trying to use it like this, or quoting it as some sort of absurd evidence.

This comment assumes that the evolution of the Eglish language NIV Bible from the original Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic scriptures would have obliterated any encoded material, a further assumption being that God would only inspire the original writers. But the code did not appear within the original scriptures; it evolved along with the Bible itself, by a very sophisticated weave of synchronicity I call intelligent evolution. This is a teleological process that ended with the NIV Bible (2001 edition), which appeared just prior to the event the code within was designed (or intelligently evolved) to explain: 9/11.

Coffey, on 28 October 2009 - 11:52 AM, said:

The bible has been edited to death, it has been edited so that the people in power can use it for laws and to make people follow the same path of life etc. The biggest evidence of this was with the Roman Empire using it to make the first laws to enslave everyone with. They edited the bible to suit them and I highly doubt that the modern world leaders are any different tbh. It's nice that so many people swear by the bible and it's "TRUTH" yet the people of the Vatican have vaults full of secrecy....... LMFAO

The Bible may well have been edited to death, but God is always several steps ahead of any editor. I do not believe that the Bible is wholly the work of God, however. Insofar as it is the work of God it is perfect. Insofar as it is the work of man it is imperfect. The Bible is like an onion, with several layers of meaning. The surface layers contain more of man, the deeper layers more of God. Rabbis talk of four levels of understanding of the Torah, from a literal level of understanding, for children and people of limited understand, to a mystical level. I believe this is true for the Christian Bible too. Unfortunately, most Christians understand the Bible at the literal level.

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[*Frank*]

So you are saying the bible contains this code whereby every number/date of an event etc adds up in some loose-fitting, round-a-bout way to 9/11? Despite the fact that the Christian calendar that we use today wasn't in use then?

Not everything is a metaphor for the incidents of 11th September. When I was young I most likely knocked over a stack of blocks, you know the ones children play with? Does that represent 9/11?
You seem to be basing a lot of your ideas on movies. Why is that? Do films inherently contain messages from god? Don't answer that.

I wonder why some people think this way? Are they so blinded by their beliefs that they refuse to believe other people are responsible for their actions? 9/11 was not a message from god. It was not a sign from some all-seeing deity. It wasn't a warning from an omnipotent presence that mankind should change its ways before it is too late. It was an act of terrorism. The killing of humans by other humans. Nothing more.

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*Frank*, on 29 October 2009 - 01:06 AM, said:

So you are saying the bible contains this code whereby every number/date of an event etc adds up in some loose-fitting, round-a-bout way to 9/11? Despite the fact that the Christian calendar that we use today wasn't in use then?

Not every event in the Bible, or in life, is related to 9/11. However, an unusualy high number of biblical narratives and prophecies do seem to be encoded with the number 11 and related numbers and these passages are meaningfully related to 9/11. To take just a scattering of examples:

1. Genesis 11: the tower of Babel, which God stopped man building because of man's hubris.

2. Genesis 22: Abraham's substitution of a ram (which was caught by its horns in a bush) for his son. This story prefigured the Crucifixion and 9/11, which was another 'crucifixion'.

3. Exodus 27 and 38: the altar of burnt offering. 9/11 was a 'burnt offering'. These are the Bible's 77th and 88th chapters.

4. 1 Samuel, 17:49: David killing Goliath with a single slingshot. 1749 = 11 x 59

5. Isaiah 31:25 A prophecy of 'the day of destruction, when the towers fall'. 3125 = 11 x 11 x 5 x 5

6. Daniel 8: The flying goat shattering the two horns of the strutting Ram. Daniel 8 is the Bible's 858th chapter, 858 being 11 x 78

7. Mark 11: Jesus' triumphant entry into Jerusalem, his overturning of the tables of the money changers and his cursing a fig tree. Mark 11 is the Bible's 968th chapter. 968 = 11 x 11 x 8.

8. Revelation 11: The two witnesses, who are destroyed and whose bodies lie in the great city.

I haven't gone into the gematria of any of these passages, but there are plenty of elevens there too.

*Frank*, on 29 October 2009 - 01:06 AM, said:

Not everything is a metaphor for the incidents of 11th September. When I was young I most likely knocked over a stack of blocks, you know the ones children play with? Does that represent 9/11?

No.

*Frank*, on 29 October 2009 - 01:06 AM, said:

You seem to be basing a lot of your ideas on movies. Why is that?

Because the writers of these movies and any books they were based on were influenced by the 'psychic shockwaves' from the 9/11 incident, just as biblical prophets such as the one we know as Daniel were. Synchronicity did the rest.

*Frank*, on 29 October 2009 - 01:06 AM, said:

Do films inherently contain messages from god? Don't answer that.

Yes

*Frank*, on 29 October 2009 - 01:06 AM, said:

I wonder why some people think this way? Are they so blinded by their beliefs that they refuse to believe other people are responsible for their actions?

Unlike most religious people I don't have any theology to defend here. This is because I was an atheist/agnostic for most of my adult life. So any beliefs I held then were closer to what you write here. My lack of emotional attachment to any theology - even Christian theology, and this holds true to this day - was a distinct advantage as I struggled to understand what the code was all about.

*Frank*, on 29 October 2009 - 01:06 AM, said:

9/11 was not a message from god. It was not a sign from some all-seeing deity. It wasn't a warning from an omnipotent presence that mankind should change its ways before it is too late.

It was all of these things and much more.

*Frank*, on 29 October 2009 - 01:06 AM, said:

It was an act of terrorism. The killing of humans by other humans. Nothing more.

It most certainly was this too, but the event was somehow controlled from 'above' to send a powerful, urgent and timely message to all humankind, who have now largely turned their backs on their Creator. Unfortunately this holds true for most Christians, who claim to worship God but in reality kneel at the alter of mammon.

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[Civilization]

If all events that happen are already pre-written, then how boring it is that we all are just here acting out the script. We are DOOMED and can't do anything about it. If some force or consciousness was trying to warn us about 9/11 the "clues" that were given sucked, didn't they? Why didn't anyone figure this out before it happened?

Why search past events after 9/11 to see how 9/11 was referenced? Merely to prove that, yes, it WAS referenced? What is the logical point of that?
Any being with such power, in my opinion, would have much more common sense and logic.

It was written in the bible that jesus said "Seek and ye shall find".
That means whatever you look for you will find, which is true. Ever just bought a new car and suddenly notice how many others have the same car?

All this gibberish that I have spent valuable time reading leads me to just one concern... What will happen in 2011? We are all (which has 2 "ll's" resembling 2 ones) screwed.

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[DooDahMan]

I am left feeling bad for the number 9. Poor thing is left out of all these magical, mystical relationships.

Too much emphasis is placed on the events of that day.

[digitalartist]

blue triangle, on 27 October 2009 - 10:06 PM, said:

The A = 6, B = 12, etc, system is popular and was in fact the first system I myself used. However I quickly abandoned it in favour of what seemed to me to be the more natural ordinal value system (also called simple English gematria), where A = 1 to Z = 26. I also discovered that others use this system, which has a long history.

Actually it was a reference to the standard value system (A = 1 to Z = 800). You had mentioned in a previous post not the ordinal value system. Sorry for not being clear there. Only in Hebrew and I believe Greek did they number their letters to 800. To my knowledge, and I can be wrong, there was never an English Gematria that numbered the letters of the alphabet from 1-800. If I am correct then you have a created a system to fit your theory which unfortunately does not help prove your theory as anyone could create a system to show that nearly any written work is an indicator of 9/11