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Eye for an EYE
Code of Hammurabi
Started by imorningsun , May 27 2004 06:02 AM
Started by imorningsun , May 27 2004 06:02 AM
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Posted 27 May 2004 - 06:02 AM
Alot of people,even I believe that some of the judicial punishments are not severe enough. This allows some criminals to walk away with just a slap on the hand. Depending on the crime commited, do you believe that we should enforce some of the ancient code? Here is a link for those of you unfamiliar with it. You will have to scroll down to the numbered laws, there are a total of 282 written laws of Hammurabi. http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/hamcode.html I would like to hear your point of view and some laws that you would recommend. Feel free to invent your own based on the code.
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Posted 27 May 2004 - 06:17 AM
Geez eh!!...majority of the laws end with...."shall be put to death"...no messing around!!
" If a "sister of a god" open a tavern, or enter a tavern to drink, then shall this woman be burned to death" This law would make for a boring bar scene!!!
In general your right that alot of the offences that take place in society go un-punished or trivial punishments for serious crimes. It works both ways though because there are a lot of people who have been imprisoned on minor offences with major sentences.
The problem goes much deeper than our laws not being stiff enough, there is a deterrent factor involved for sure, but we have to whatch that our born freedoms are not tread upon while trying to make society better.
" If a "sister of a god" open a tavern, or enter a tavern to drink, then shall this woman be burned to death" This law would make for a boring bar scene!!!
In general your right that alot of the offences that take place in society go un-punished or trivial punishments for serious crimes. It works both ways though because there are a lot of people who have been imprisoned on minor offences with major sentences.
The problem goes much deeper than our laws not being stiff enough, there is a deterrent factor involved for sure, but we have to whatch that our born freedoms are not tread upon while trying to make society better.
As long as men are free to ask what they must, free to say what they think, free to think what they will, freedom can never be lost and science can never regress.
Julius Robert Oppenheimer. (1904-1967)
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Posted 27 May 2004 - 06:19 AM
| QUOTE (Chauncy @ May 26 2004, 11:17 PM) |
| " If a "sister of a god" open a tavern, or enter a tavern to drink, then shall this woman be burned to death" This law would make for a boring bar scene!!! |
I'm thinking that "ladies night" didn't happen too often back then.
Just a guess.
Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.
People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.
People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.
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Posted 27 May 2004 - 06:24 AM
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| I'm thinking that "ladies night" didn't happen too often back then |
Or if it did it was frought with a more ominous connotation than what we would prefer...or the ladies for that matter.
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Posted 27 May 2004 - 11:57 AM
Hmm... got me thinking... what if any crime committed, no matter what it was, was punished by death.... wouldnt that be a great deterrant?
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Posted 27 May 2004 - 03:42 PM
I am not suggesting that all crimes be punished by death, but that sure would help the population problem too! Suppose, Joe Shmoe gets picked up for the 3rd time for burglary. Would cutting one of his hands off keep him from doing it again? Would he have done it, if he knew he would lose a hand? Some of the laws in this code realy aren't that ancient. Paying taxes, restitution,divorse, except the part about drowning a bad wife, even though some men would like that.
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Posted 27 May 2004 - 03:52 PM
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| Would cutting one of his hands off keep him from doing it again? |
There are many,many people that commit crimes in their youth, then grow wiser and never commit a crime again. To cut someones hands off you are basically preventing that person from ever having the remotest possibility of being a contributing citizen again.
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Posted 27 May 2004 - 04:51 PM
Chauncy, OK, your right about that. We can put an age limit on this. I believe that there was one in the original code. I myself have been victum to juvenile mistakes. The thought of losing a limb for stealing a piece of candy, or getting involved with the wrong crowed scares me. I fell prey to a psychotic stalker. Yes, I would love to see his eyeball cut out. When a person can't get help from thier local law enforcement, then there is a problem with the law. I would never want to jepordize my freedom. But when your being stalked, robbed, raped, ect..... You have no freedom! If punishments were to fit the crime better, we would have less of it.
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Posted 27 May 2004 - 08:21 PM
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| But when your being stalked, robbed, raped, ect..... You have no freedom! If punishments were to fit the crime better, we would have less of it. |
Yes I realize what your saying, and I'm also sorry for your unfortunate experience.
When the law is unable to help,*whispering*...there are other alternatives.
Sally field in that movie 'Eye for an Eye" is a good example. Now mind you this type of vigilantism should never be made a law because it is left up to interpretation and people will exploit this fact.
I think you would have been justified to allow a big brother or another friend to have a talk with the stalker. Sometimes implied reprecussions for continued behaviour is enough to stop such a thing. Mind you every situation is different from others.
As long as men are free to ask what they must, free to say what they think, free to think what they will, freedom can never be lost and science can never regress.
Julius Robert Oppenheimer. (1904-1967)
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Posted 29 May 2004 - 01:38 AM
'An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.'
-Ghandi
Not quite sure if this had much to do with where the discussion was going...but just thought I'd throw that in there.
-Ghandi
Not quite sure if this had much to do with where the discussion was going...but just thought I'd throw that in there.
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Posted 30 May 2004 - 08:58 AM
Either that or we will all have the nickname"Old one eye"!
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