[BlackRedLittleDevil]

DurgaMata, on 28 October 2009 - 09:59 PM, said:

Bumped in to one another at cocktail parties

Yeah, can imagine the conversion..."hey triglop, check the neandy chick down there, the one with no neck and a head like a brick. I might go and clob her and make her mine tonight."

Anyway, it will be interesting to see what comes out of these studies. and if there were offsprings. You know, put a jersey on this guy in the picture and he looks like some of our rugby players in Australia...

[Bullseye]

Pinx, on 27 October 2009 - 07:47 PM, said:

Whoa, the internet's missing out on a whole new genre of "rule 34".

I'm off to the 4chan random board with this,rule 34 must be done !.

[KennyB]

I read where the Russians in a remote village captured a female Alma, which is about equivalent to a bigfoot. She bred with men from the village and over a 40 year period, gave birth to 8 children, four of which lived. KennyB

[BlackRedLittleDevil]

KennyB, on 30 October 2009 - 01:03 PM, said:

I read where the Russians in a remote village captured a female Alma, which is about equivalent to a bigfoot. She bred with men from the village and over a 40 year period, gave birth to 8 children, four of which lived. KennyB

Yep and I found one of the surviving children.

This post has been edited by BlackRedLittleDevil: 30 October 2009 - 07:23 AM

[KennyB]

BlackRedLittleDevil, You might be right! He sure looks the part! I'd hate to meet him in a dark alley. KennyB

[Siara]

DurgaMata, on 27 October 2009 - 02:38 PM, said:

Is it just me or has he not given a reason for this statement?

There are gross, sticky floor places where you can watch poorly shot videos of modern people involved in cross-species activities. If this stuff can exist, cross species sex between homo sapiens and homo Neandertalis must have occurred too. I've read that if you were in a subway car and a Neandertal (dressed normally & with a normal haircut) entered the same car you wouldn't think twice. The focus of the article was, "If each ancestral species of mankind got into a subway car with you, how would you react?". As I recall, the answer to homo erectus entering was "leave the car and call animal control".

For me the critical question about homo sapiens/homo neadertalis relationships is, "Did they ever produce fertile offspring? Do we carry Neandertal genes?"

[questionmark]

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I don't know guys... even with hair it does not look any better....

[glyndowers heir]

questionmark, on 30 October 2009 - 11:19 PM, said:

neander.jpg

I don't know guys... even with hair it does not look any better....

Oh I don't know, a couple of crates of high strength lager and

We used to have 'pull the ugliest bird' contests when I were a lad

I always won because I had an arrangement with the homeliest looking girly who was on a 'pull the ugliest bloke' hen night contest

She always won as well!

[eclectic 1]

Neanderthals were modern humans...with a few genetic disorders from too much inbreeding. Then the Cro Mags-with fewer disorders-entered Europe, and made war upon the Neanderthalers; pretty much making them extinct. There was some interbreeding of the two SUB-species of humans, which produced offspring. If the two 'races' had been different species-like dogs,and cats, or cows, and chickens-they could not have made babies together.

[Copasetic]

SQLserver, on 27 October 2009 - 05:08 PM, said:

This is an interesting idea, but I doubt it.
First of all, the article clearly states that his findings will be released along with his upcoming analysis on the neaderthal genome, which would be very cool.

However, I doubt it.
As TalkOrigins showed here, the neanderthal mtDNA clearly falls outside of the range of variation of human mtDNA. Although I cannot be sure, I suspect this means that the two species did not interbreed, could not interbreed, or could not produce viable offspring.

I mean, technically, it's probable: Heck, odd humans even today have sex with all sorts of weird animals. However, it didn't amount to much with neanderthals.

Actually that isn't entirely true. mtDNA is passed via the matriarchal lineage (ie; from mother to offspring). mtDNA is the DNA unique to mitochondria (that funny little power-house of a cell that used to be its type of prokaryote!) Turns out, moms' (gotta love momma) invest much more energy in their gametes. Eggs are large and expensive to make (as opposed to sperm) and moms make such an investment to better ensure the survival of the offspring.

One of the things the egg comes complete with is mom's mitochondria. Dad's mitochondria get broken down and destroyed after fertilization (for reason I can't remember at the moment).

Anyway, the point is, if mom is a modern human and dad is a neanderthal then our current mtDNA sequencing studies don't necessarily matter and will have to hold out for more in depth genome sequencing studies.

There also other ways (potentially, but unlikely) that our genome's could become mixed-Retroviruses.

Either way, I doubt we interbreed with Neanderthals and I suspect that if (a very big if) we did to a limited extent the alien genes would have already long since passed from our gene pool. I doubt (judging by the in-built prejudices we have against other groups) that being a human-neanderthal hybrid would benefit you in either's society.

[Myles]

Of course we had sex with neanderthals. It wasn't like any of the women back then looked incredibly hot.

[sage0409]

Neanderthals are not modern humans, but I have no doubt they did have sexual encounters when modern man and Neanders came across each other. We as humans are sexual beings and back then there wasn't so much peer pressure about your reputation if you boned out of your species. LOL sorry.

Right about now I'm glad my sig is true. hahaha

[Bullseye]

It probably did happen occasionally, and if there were "throwbacks" then, I knew one !.Used to work with a chap who had serious brow ridges,incredibly powerful barrel chested figure,short stature,large wide nose,we used to do very hard physical work,this chap in his 50'sor 60's could outwork all us younger chaps who were in our 20's,any injuries he would shrug off in typical Neanderthal style.He was a Breton,came to England with the Free French,back over to France after D-Day (and a few trips over there before) ,won a shedload of medals,he would have terrified anyone up against him !.Had great respect for him.Married an English girl,his two sons both tall and slim !.The latest representations of Neanderthals,well they look just like he did.I seriously think he was a "throwback",great guy.

[brlesq1]

Why not? Would looks have mattered so much? I'd love to see the proof, though.

[Siara]

eclectic 1, on 01 November 2009 - 11:44 AM, said:

Neanderthals were modern humans...with a few genetic disorders from too much inbreeding.

I thought the mtDNA analysis suggests that the two gene pools were separated before homo sapiens became a species. Still, you could be right (not that I know much about the subject). Maybe what we think of as our species is actually just a subspecies.

Have they completed the Neanderthal genome yet? Does it have the same number of chromosomes as us? The other "great ape" primates have one more chromosome than we do. At some point two of homo sapiens' chromosomes merged into one long chromosome. If the number of chromosomes isn't the same the two species couldn't produce fertile offspring.