[ReincarnatedNobody]

I posted a topic previously on the subject and got a little carried away with it. I created what an Administrator here termed a Sock Puppet in order to stir up some debate. Oops. I guess it was a bit obvious and not to mention childish. Anyway, I feel strongly about the subject. It's common knowledge that many of the world's most powerful government's are run by a cabal of gangsters. Well, maybe it's not common knowledge, but since my stint in the United States armed forces, I've seen tons of information on the subject and find a lot of it to be plausible while much of it seems far fetched and ridiculous. I've read about the Bilderberg Group, the Illuminati, Skull and Bones and the Bohemian Grove. I don't have any proof that there is a conspiracy other than what I've read on the internet or in books, but I don't have to go far to realize that something is terribly wrong. Maybe it's just the Human Condition, just a step in our evolution. Maybe collectively, we're the problem.

I don't have many ideas as to a solution. Sometimes, I think that the only way for it to change is for things to get so bad that people no longer have the option to remain silent and willfully ignorant if they are to simply survive.

Everywhere I look, I see people going insane, getting sick and becoming more and more hopeless. Meanwhile the movers and shakers of the current World Order are lining their pockets in gold from pushing drugs, quick fixes and wars against invisible, artificial enemies. Ironically, I did something similar in my last post, I created a sock puppet enemy. I'm very sorry about that by the way. Anyway.

If there is a problem here, like say a conspiracy to undermine our basic rights as free citizens and to corrupt everything we hold dear so that a few can control the power of the majority, what do you guys think can be done about it?

Anarcho-syndicalism? Reinstating the Constitution? Religion?

[Wearer of Hats]

Apathy works a treat

[ReincarnatedNobody]

Wearer of Hats, on 27 October 2009 - 01:21 AM, said:

Apathy works a treat

I'll keep it up then.

[marabod]

To be honest, I do not see this as an entirely serious topic. It could be serious, though, if you sterted it by clearly defining what is "current World Order" and what someone evil would do with your rights, after they are taken from you. How can evil Bilderbergers capitalize on your rights? Resell them to Chinese? Or donate to the Africans? Your rights and freedoms are FREE and present value only to yourself. It is because of them you work and pay taxes (if you do of course); since the rights are taken from you, you become a slave, and this means someone must FEED you and maintain, otherwise you would die. Also it was centuries ago known that slave's work is LOW-PRODUCTIVE, and this is basically why finally Capitalism appeared, which made you a free Consumer, so you can buy something and enrich those bilderbergers or whoever "they" are. For them to make you a slave is equal to refusing from all profits.

With "World order" it is even more bizarre, as it is simply the way, how the planet is ruled by those who won the last World War. Check who they are if in doubts. Thus, to undermine the current World Order, one must replace those 5 nuclear powers with another set of winners, this time the winners of WW3. Go ahead, conspire at will!

[ohio state buckeyes]

ReincarnatedNobody, on 26 October 2009 - 09:18 PM, said:

I posted a topic previously on the subject and got a little carried away with it. I created what an Administrator here termed a Sock Puppet in order to stir up some debate. Oops. I guess it was a bit obvious and not to mention childish. Anyway, I feel strongly about the subject. It's common knowledge that many of the world's most powerful government's are run by a cabal of gangsters. Well, maybe it's not common knowledge, but since my stint in the United States armed forces, I've seen tons of information on the subject and find a lot of it to be plausible while much of it seems far fetched and ridiculous. I've read about the Bilderberg Group, the Illuminati, Skull and Bones and the Bohemian Grove. I don't have any proof that there is a conspiracy other than what I've read on the internet or in books, but I don't have to go far to realize that something is terribly wrong. Maybe it's just the Human Condition, just a step in our evolution. Maybe collectively, we're the problem.

I don't have many ideas as to a solution. Sometimes, I think that the only way for it to change is for things to get so bad that people no longer have the option to remain silent and willfully ignorant if they are to simply survive.

Everywhere I look, I see people going insane, getting sick and becoming more and more hopeless. Meanwhile the movers and shakers of the current World Order are lining their pockets in gold from pushing drugs, quick fixes and wars against invisible, artificial enemies. Ironically, I did something similar in my last post, I created a sock puppet enemy. I'm very sorry about that by the way. Anyway.

If there is a problem here, like say a conspiracy to undermine our basic rights as free citizens and to corrupt everything we hold dear so that a few can control the power of the majority, what do you guys think can be done about it?

Anarcho-syndicalism? Reinstating the Constitution? Religion?

Yeah. We hear this stuff all the time. If you really wanna fight the new world order you should pick up The Family is a book by Jeff Sharlet and its very real. They are a elite Christian fundamentalist group that have had a big hand in sitting American policy for 80 years . They we're fans of Hitler and beleive they have been appointed by God to be power. Oh and by they way they teach Jesus only came to deliver them a message and the resat of us are pretty much screwed. From former Nazis to 3rd world dictators some of most evil people in the world have been apart of the family.

[Peter B]

ReincarnatedNobody, on 27 October 2009 - 11:18 AM, said:

I posted a topic previously on the subject and got a little carried away with it. I created what an Administrator here termed a Sock Puppet in order to stir up some debate. Oops. I guess it was a bit obvious and not to mention childish. Anyway, I feel strongly about the subject. It's common knowledge that many of the world's most powerful government's are run by a cabal of gangsters. Well, maybe it's not common knowledge, but since my stint in the United States armed forces, I've seen tons of information on the subject and find a lot of it to be plausible while much of it seems far fetched and ridiculous. I've read about the Bilderberg Group, the Illuminati, Skull and Bones and the Bohemian Grove. I don't have any proof that there is a conspiracy other than what I've read on the internet or in books, but I don't have to go far to realize that something is terribly wrong. Maybe it's just the Human Condition, just a step in our evolution. Maybe collectively, we're the problem.

Well, here's your first problem - your lack of evidence. Find some clear evidence first, and go from there. Without evidence, you can be ignored, even if you're right. But if you can't find any evidence, you might have to consider the idea that your theory is wrong.

As for your theory itself, it doesn't sound particularly plausible, if by gangsters you mean people like the Mafia. There's little doubt that corruption exists at varying levels in all governments, but the sheer number of governments around the world makes it unlikely that there's any single group co-ordinating all the activities. Instead, what I see is a combination of many interest groups and individuals all acting for themselves, along with a large number of people with responsibilities beyond their abilities. The result is a lot of wasted public money. In other words, given the choice between conspiracy and incompetence, I'll bet on incompetence every time.

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I don't have many ideas as to a solution. Sometimes, I think that the only way for it to change is for things to get so bad that people no longer have the option to remain silent and willfully ignorant if they are to simply survive.

Everywhere I look, I see people going insane, getting sick and becoming more and more hopeless. Meanwhile the movers and shakers of the current World Order are lining their pockets in gold from pushing drugs, quick fixes and wars against invisible, artificial enemies. Ironically, I did something similar in my last post, I created a sock puppet enemy. I'm very sorry about that by the way. Anyway.

If there is a problem here, like say a conspiracy to undermine our basic rights as free citizens and to corrupt everything we hold dear so that a few can control the power of the majority, what do you guys think can be done about it?

Anarcho-syndicalism? Reinstating the Constitution? Religion?

Ballroom dancing. That's my solution.

Your description of the people you're seeing make me wonder what sort of company you're keeping. Perhaps you might benefit from some pleasant mixed company.

Or perhaps you could buy a dog and take it for a walk to the local park, and meet people that way. Or join a hobby club of some sort. Or do some more study.

[marabod]

Peter B, on 27 October 2009 - 04:21 PM, said:

Well, here's your first problem - your lack of evidence. Find some clear evidence first, and go from there. Without evidence, you can be ignored, even if you're right. But if you can't find any evidence, you might have to consider the idea that your theory is wrong.

As for your theory itself, it doesn't sound particularly plausible, if by gangsters you mean people like the Mafia. There's little doubt that corruption exists at varying levels in all governments, but the sheer number of governments around the world makes it unlikely that there's any single group co-ordinating all the activities. Instead, what I see is a combination of many interest groups and individuals all acting for themselves, along with a large number of people with responsibilities beyond their abilities. The result is a lot of wasted public money. In other words, given the choice between conspiracy and incompetence, I'll bet on incompetence every time.


Ballroom dancing. That's my solution.

Your description of the people you're seeing make me wonder what sort of company you're keeping. Perhaps you might benefit from some pleasant mixed company.

Or perhaps you could buy a dog and take it for a walk to the local park, and meet people that way. Or join a hobby club of some sort. Or do some more study.

I betcha, many are even incompetent to steal - and this causes rumors of a conspiracy.

[el midgetron]

pitchforks and torches

storm frankenstein's castle

[REBEL]

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Combating the World Order

Any ideas on a possible solution?

-Eat the filthy global multi-national mega rich & powerful?
-Hang all government leaders<-(i use that term loosely) & bureaucrats?
-Don't vote...it only encourages them?

[el midgetron]

marabod, on 26 October 2009 - 09:59 PM, said:

To be honest, I do not see this as an entirely serious topic. It could be serious, though, if you sterted it by clearly defining what is "current World Order" and what someone evil would do with your rights, after they are taken from you. How can evil Bilderbergers capitalize on your rights? Resell them to Chinese? Or donate to the Africans? Your rights and freedoms are FREE and present value only to yourself. It is because of them you work and pay taxes (if you do of course); since the rights are taken from you, you become a slave, and this means someone must FEED you and maintain, otherwise you would die. Also it was centuries ago known that slave's work is LOW-PRODUCTIVE, and this is basically why finally Capitalism appeared, which made you a free Consumer, so you can buy something and enrich those bilderbergers or whoever "they" are. For them to make you a slave is equal to refusing from all profits.

<<< the Russian persons view of "freedom".

I gotta say marbob, thats a steamy pile of something.

It was known "centuries ago" that slavery was Low-productive? Eh, there seems to be some fundemental concepts of business you fail to understand.

But hey maybe you are on to something. Although, slavery only ended in the US 150 some years ago....not centuries ago as your logic would dictate. Is it alive and well in the world today? You betcha. Anyone ever seen the "Yes Men"? Crazy documentary (cutting to the chase) in one segment they do they argue that slavery was out dated and argue for the economics of neo-slavery.

Anyway, your argument about ones freedom only being of value to ones-self, ignors pretty much all of recorded history.That or you don't understand that ones freedom is opposite of ones enslavement enslavement.

This post has been edited by el midgetron: 27 October 2009 - 05:50 AM

[Cradle of Fish]

Park a truck full of explosives outside a random government building. That's how the pros do it.

[marabod]

el midgetron, on 27 October 2009 - 05:43 PM, said:

<<< the Russian persons view of "freedom".

I gotta say marbob, thats a steamy pile of something.

It was known "centuries ago" that slavery was Low-productive? Eh, there seems to be some fundemental concepts of business you fail to understand.

But hey maybe you are on to something. Although, slavery only ended in the US 150 some years ago....not centuries ago as your logic would dictate. Is it alive and well in the world today? You betcha. Anyone ever seen the "Yes Men"? Crazy documentary (cutting to the chase) in one segment they do they argue that slavery was out dated and argue for the economics of neo-slavery.

Anyway, your argument about ones freedom only being of value to ones-self, ignors pretty much all of recorded history.That or you don't understand that ones freedom is opposite of ones enslavement enslavement.

Is there anything wise you want to add?

[el midgetron]

marabod, on 27 October 2009 - 02:06 AM, said:

Is there anything wise you want to add?

I take it you have no response?

Maybe you have re-thought your position about slavery?

[marabod]

el midgetron, on 27 October 2009 - 06:08 PM, said:

I take it you have no response?

Maybe you have re-thought your position about slavery?

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[Br Cornelius]

Its not difficult to see the bones of a conspiracy if you spend an hour or so of looking in the right places. The American Republic was set up by Freemasons, who were an offshoot of the French Synarchrists. The French carried on scheming their schemes and fermented the French Revolution and their abortive attempt at European domination via Napolean. The same groups can be traced to Germany and their influence in setting up the Third Reich. They failed twice before, but it just looks like they are probably going to succeed this time in the form of the totally undemocratic European Union. Guess what, if you go looking you find the same groups responsible for the previous attempts at European domination at the root of the European dream/nightmare.
The French are so Bold that they sent a Goddess statue to be erected at the main point of entry to America, boldly declaring the American Republic been home territory and claimed for their Pagan beliefs. In both America and Germany they were rather partial to a bit of enforced slavery. The same idiologies are at work today - so do you think enforced slavery might not rear its ugly head again. They also dabble in genocide.

People like to think of it as a finely tuned clockwork mechanism with every piece of society moving to some grand and meticulous plan. the reality is that a few 100 to 1000 people push a little here, pull a little there. Over generations they osmotically infect the minds and idiologies of whole nations- slowly inching towards their goals. So what if they fail here and there - time is long and ultimately they will inperceptibly achieve their plans without anyone ever noticing. If the current conflagration of crisis fails to achieve their dreams of a NWO, so what theres always next time. These people are quite happy to drive the whole world to the edge of financial disaster just to seize more control. How can you fight an enemy who has no morals, no time scale, no principles other than ultimate control and power by whatever means available.

All that aside, what can we do. I suspect very little. The recent Irish Referendum on the Lisbon treaty just went to show how easy it is to persuade a people of what there best interests are. I would say that almost all of the worlds population is asleep to the world they live in and more worrying - they are happy that way. To wake up to the horror of their situation would be more than most people could cope with - they would have a nervous breakdown or commit suicide. Unfortunately the deed has been done, and there is little hope for change. George Orwell summed it up brilliantly when Smith placed all his faith in the Proles, when the proles were simply surviving and glad of it. There will be no revolution, there will be no great uprising, their will be no throwing off the shackles of our oppressors. When the X-factor is the single most popular show on TV, our masters have done their job well - and the sheep will march to slaughter without so much as batting an eyelid - they might even thank them for it.

Br Cornelius

This post has been edited by Br Cornelius: 27 October 2009 - 11:34 AM