[Enigmatic Ghost]

Survival of the Fittest and Wisest, It was illegal to Carry Guns into National Parks here in the U.S.A. but because I am no victim, I pack heat every time while Mountain climbing, Camping, Hiking, Kayaking Mountains Lakes and Rivers and Gold Panning, Yah its extra Weight to carry a Side Iron concealed or in Holster at side, but It saved my Skin and the family and friends with me plenty of times, from Man and Wild Beast Both. Well just a few weeks back here President Obama made it now legal for every U.S. Citizen interring and traveling in the national Parks to be allowed to carry Guns.

Some minds think upon the whimsical lovely all wee animals are so cute and cuddly level of false security in the Wilds, but those are Wild Animals and they are ether wanting to get far away form the Humans or they see humans as a Food Source, Coyotes are Opportunistic, and savage beasts, never underestimate so, regardless of it shy demeanor.

Now you know why Sheep and Cattle Ranchers throughout the North and Southwestern U.S. would not only shoot Coyotes, but hang their caucuses upon the barbed wire fences to discourage the varmints from returning to maul more of their Livestock animals, there use to be an open bounty for Coyotes, I am not sue if it still stands as active to this present day, but I am betting there is going to be a whole lot more Horror stories like this one in the future, although I have figured it would have been the Reintroduced Wolves and Not the Coyotes that would be killing People in the Wilds, The Mountain Lions are also coming down into the out skirting edges of the urban communities.

Pavot

This post has been edited by Enigmatic Ghost: 01 November 2009 - 11:56 PM

[Michelle]

Enigmatic Ghost, on 01 November 2009 - 11:50 PM, said:

Survival of the Fittest and Wisest, It was illegal to Carry Guns into National Parks here in the U.S.A. but because I am no victim, I pack heat every time while Mountain climbing, Camping, Hiking, Kayaking Mountains Lakes and Rivers and Gold Panning, Yah its extra Weight to carry a Side Iron concealed or in Holster at side, but It saved my Skin and the family and friends with me plenty of times, from Man and Wild Beast Both. Well just a few weeks back here President Obama made it now legal for every U.S. Citizen interring and traveling in the national Parks to be allowed to carry Guns.

Some minds think upon the whimsical lovely all wee animals are so cute and cuddly level of false security in the Wilds, but those are Wild Animals and they are ether wanting to get far away form the Humans or they see humans as a Food Source, Coyotes are Opportunistic, and savage beasts, never underestimate so, regardless of it shy demeanor.


Pavot

As Walter Cronkite says...and that's the way it is...

[Neognosis]

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Yah its extra Weight to carry a Side Iron concealed or in Holster at side, but It saved my Skin and the family and friends with me plenty of times, from Man and Wild Beast Both.

Really? I've been camping and doing long distance backpacking for years and don't carry a gun and have never needed one to save me from anyone or anything. How may times did a gun save you? Maybe I'm just "the wisest" because I seem to never need a gun? Or maybe just lucky and you are very unlucky.

I also don't think that a coyote carcass hanging on a fence is going to deter other coyotes. They are probably more likely to eat the carcass themselves.

[Enigmatic Ghost]

Neognosis, on 02 November 2009 - 01:58 AM, said:

Really? I've been camping and doing long distance backpacking for years and don't carry a gun and have never needed one to save me from anyone or anything. How may times did a gun save you? Maybe I'm just "the wisest" because I seem to never need a gun? Or maybe just lucky and you are very unlucky.

I also don't think that a coyote carcass hanging on a fence is going to deter other coyotes. They are probably more likely to eat the carcass themselves.

Plenty of times guns have been there when I needed them, now as for being unlucky < That is rather a vague assumption upon your behalf as you do not know me, or more a run of the mouth knee Jerk response of you in my own Opinion, or is (Baiting)? and I am not saying that your Opinions are not welcome, being that is if they are civil in nature, but do keep in mind my opinions and my posted comments are to be respected as an Author here as much as others, by Animal Atavists, Beer sip n’ kitten stroking weekend adventures and all.

Now let me ask of you, How do you know a Coyote carcass that’s hanging upon a Barbed wire fence doesn’t, nor hasn’t kept other Coyotes from returning to maul a ranchers Livestock, I am doubting here that you’re a Coyote and thus speaking upon the behalf of Coyotes (Speaking of the Canine Species and not the Mexican Immigrant Smuggler type Coyote). I don’t know where you were raised or live within the U.S. but Speaking for my Self, (for which you have no business in Doing), I have spent a hell of a lot of my life in the Outdoors and wilderness areas of the South and North Western U.S sense a very Young Age, I have had Human encounters of Bad intent in Camp grounds from drunken Idiots and Bad human Encounters with Bad Element People of rival interests of which is also none your Business, all those times Guns were very much in the situations, and many Bear encounters in the Mountains of Idaho Guns used in those situations, perhaps if you were to venture out more often into the wilderness or maybe you do and we can call you Mr. Lucky! And I am supposing that residing upon the East Cost one would not even see a bear or Wolverine nor many other animals of a threatening nature, I suppose the well traveled well marked and Well Manicured lovely trials of the East coast have very few Big Game animal opportunities. But hay really thanks for reaching out and connecting in such a Ranting approach.

Pavot

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[Lilly]

Enigmatic Ghost, on 02 November 2009 - 01:35 AM, said:

...I suppose the well traveled well marked and Well Manicured lovely trials of the East coast have very few Big Game animal opportunities. But hay really thanks for reaching out and connecting in such a Ranting approach.

You obviously have never been to upstate New York. The Adirondacks are anything but "well manicured".

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Today, at 6 million acres and larger than Yellowstone, Yosemite, Grand Canyon, Great Smoky, and Everglades National Parks combined, the Adirondack Park and Forest Preserve is the largest park in the nation outside of Alaska.

[susieice]

Coyotes have made a come back where they haven't been for centuries. All wildlife should be respected. We get them here in our towns now. Must say it's nice to see them back.

[Neognosis]

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Now let me ask of you, How do you know a Coyote carcass that’s hanging upon a Barbed wire fence doesn’t, nor hasn’t kept other Coyotes from returning to maul a ranchers Livestock, I am doubting here that you’re a Coyote and thus speaking upon the behalf of Coyotes (Speaking of the Canine Species and not the Mexican Immigrant Smuggler type Coyote).

Because coyotes are canines, and it is pretty well known that canines don't have the same thought process as we do. And canines don't react to other canine corpses the way we would. They also can't type. If they could, I wonder if they would use random capitol letters.

and as pointed out, adirondack park is not "well manicured." The adirondacks hold some of the largest stretches of undeveloped land in the lower 48.

I can barely understand what you are saying, but I think I get the gist. what I find so interesting in any gun conversation is that the people who carry them seem to be able to recite all these instances in which their lives were saved by their guns, but we folks who don't carry guns and do the same things and visit the same places never seem to need them. Don't you think that is weird?

Oh, and by the way, if hanging a coyote carcass on a fence stopped other coyotes from killing livestock, all we would need to do is hang some carcasses up and there wouldn't be a need to kill more coyotes, as they carcasses would keep them all away.

[Neognosis]

In NY at least, we have coyotes becasue we drove off the wolves that used to fill that niche. after the wolves were gone, coyotes multiplied and filled in the niche.

[Enigmatic Ghost]

Quoted Subtitle---Normally Shy-, The Coyotes may have mistaken the singer for a deer/ 'Un-subtitle Quote' < Really,> A Deer, , well I suppose if the Young Lady was upon four Limbs and bent over nibbling the ferns and tender green shoots of foliage, perhaps leaping over down fallen trees and wiggling her ears about, yah, well then I can see how a pack of Opportunistic Coyotes could very well have mistaken a Person for a quadruped with a Elongated Muzzle, a Back button Nose, and Wiggly short Tail and pointed furry ears.

A Deer?


Pavot

[Neognosis]

hmmm... maybe the thinking is that coyotes and other canines don't perceive things the way we do... they rely more on other senses like smell, and who knows what their perception is like.... maybe they key off other things when they make an identification, or maybe there aren't the same separating characteristics for them between a small girl and a deer...

it is hard to fathom, though.

[Vinland]

http://www.npr.org/t...oryId=114261110

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Wildlife biologist Bob Bancroft said coyote attacks are extremely rare because the animals are usually shy.

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"It's very unusual and is not likely to be repeated," Bancroft said. "We shouldn't assume that coyotes are suddenly going to become the big bad wolf."

I am posting this up because this kind of attack to the best of my knowledge has never happened before. I still can't fathom how this happened. Coyotes are shy and afraid of people. I always considered them too small to attack or kill an adult human.

[Ebonykrow]

I wonder if it ever occurred that rabies could be a possibility here? That's what I'm going to go with.

[Mistydawn]

Such a tragic loss of life in one so young. One wonders at why it happened, to be found with bites all over her body, it must have been a terrifying experience.

[The Silver Thong]

It was the first of it's kind in Canada. It must have been terrible as the coyotes were still feeding on her when the cops showed up and she was alive when she was airlifted out. Damn what a bad way to go. Poor women !

[THAT GUY]

Growing up on a farm I have seen my share of coyotes and would never expect something like this would happen. So tragic. Looks like I will be packing some added protection on my next hike. I guess you never know.