[UM-Bot]

Stephane Wuttunee: "It is not good to test fate" or so the saying goes. And yet that is exactly what I intend to do in the next few weeks as fears and concerns regarding the H1N1 flu vaccine reach a fevering pitch. In other words, despite my questions about the vaccine and its potential side effects, I may eventually allow a complete stranger to inject a foreign substance into my body – a substance, I may add, that actually contains trace amounts of the very disease I wish to avoid.

And this is where the dilemma starts.

I do not trust mainstream media with anything other than reporting on local traffic and the weather. When it comes to dishing out news, today’s moguls and their minions are (in my mind, at least) as likely to tell prefabricated (and often corporately funded) stories to cover someone’s behind just as often as they can stay their ground and deliver the truth. When I want to be informed on a subject, I usually consult various sources on the web and do my own fact checking. When I wish to be entertained, I watch television or read the paper.

So for people like myself at least, the media’s credibility in trying to promote vaccination is nearly inexistent. Despite being seen and treated as a fear monger or conspiracy theorist by newspaper columnists, I remain steadfast in my opinion that in an age where scandals and crimes against humanity are a dime a dozen, right now is the perfect time to start killing off dissenters and troublemakers with a disease or shot (from a New World Order viewpoint of course).

Paranoid? Yeah. I suppose so.

But this isn’t the fifties we’re in. For most people, overall confidence in the establishment has never been lower. With the promise of UFO Disclosure being perpetually handed to us by whistleblowers as well as corporate and military insiders (and even channelers), the threat of an epidemic simply takes another spot on a long list of events and diversions seemingly intent on pulling our collective focus away from knowing the truth in regards to the Extraterrestrial presence upon the planet. For instance, when CNN was in the middle of its excellent “Search for Aliens” series back in the fall of 2008, the plug was pulled on both the series as well as the reporter himself (Miles O’Brian) and six other producers. Network cleanup or internal witch hunt? You decide.

Before that of course, there was Clinton. Not only did his digitized image play a role in the excellent film Contact, he and his staff expressed interest off screen in pushing for Disclosure. That card castle came crashing down of course, via a sultry little bombshell named Monica. Since then, no president has attempted or made efforts to blow the lid open. Bush junior was simply pushing daddy’s agenda, while President Obama to date has mostly refrained from making any open comments on the topic. In fact, despite having allegedly received several thousand faxes, E-Mails, and handwritten letters from all over the world on the topic of Extraterrestrials and Disclosure in the last year, Obama hasn’t made a single move. Perhaps none will be made at all. Or maybe not.

Conspiracies aside, I do have other issues and unanswered questions with this flu and its vaccine. Here are a few of them.

Money

I’m not so certain what the current figures are, but when I last checked, the Canadian government alone had spent over 422 million dollars to acquire a sufficient number of vaccines for its populace. That’s a ton of money. It’s so much money spent, in fact, that it makes me wonder just how reliable any “study” really was in deciding if it was safe for human use or not. I mean, with that kind of cash being exchanged, doesn’t it seem rational to conclude that even if it were unsafe, that someone higher up would be pushing it upon us anyhow simply because of all the money that was spent in getting it to begin with? Now that might seem cold to my fellow Canucks, but my own Native people here have had intimate encounters with smallpox ridden blankets given to us in the past – all courtesy of the Canadian government. Years may have passed, but I’m not so certain the agenda has changed. Strange how some of the first people to get the shot will be Aboriginal people…

The other issue I have with this vaccine is the timing itself.

A Simultaneous Appearance.

Computers and humans may be worlds apart in their appearance, but they are related to one another with their inner workings. Both, for instance, display artificial intelligence and a propensity to catch nasty little grimbits called viruses. In the digital realm at least, it is an interesting fact to ponder that absolutely all viruses, trojans, and worms are manmade in origin. In other words, there is no such thing as an accidentally created computer virus (visiting dodgy porn sites and opening E-Mail attachments from unknown senders remain some of the best methods of catching one, so if you want your computer to remain disease free, be careful where you stick your 3 ½ “ floppy).

So how does this relate with H1N1? Well, it’s a far stretch, but isn’t it possible that just like computer viruses themselves, that today’s diseases and their antidotes or vaccines might have the same authorship? ‘Create the ailment and sell the cure’ is a scary mantra I sincerely hope no twisted soul has in mind. But my familiarity with Homo Sapiens tells me otherwise. I do find it strange that this disease already has a vaccine while we have been searching for cures for cancer and Aids for decades. Mind you, both cancer and Aids are businesses in themselves.

An Atmosphere Of Deception And Dissent.

We’ve already covered this, but again, right now is not the best time for any governing body to expect a trusting and receptive response by the general populace concerning possible forced vaccinations. People as a whole simply do not trust their leaders for a variety of reasons. In addition to the UFO and Extraterrestrial truth embargo and its complications, lingering hope remains that one day the true masterminds behind 9/11 will be brought to justice. RFID television commercials will soon be on the airwaves, and on the sidelines, ongoing wars between corporations and their tight affiliation with government and the military industrial complex represent spawning beds for rumors and conspiracies of every which kind. In light of these elements, it seems a tad ridiculous for the media to continue to paint concerned and inquiring citizens as lunatics and conspiracy theorists – especially when agendas and the facts are so transparent. Luckily, many big media columnists seem far more closed-minded and loose lipped than their readership.

The Final Outcome

I’m a reasonable, peace loving man. Less than a hundred years separate me from my ancestral warlike ways. I can live and thrive in nearly any part of the world with only a knife and matches, and my training in firearms and hand-to-hand close quarters combat is recent. All it would take for me to take up arms against someone directly threatening my health or family is a direct attack. But I feel no immediate need for defensiveness. Not yet. Despite my leader’s shortcomings, I acknowledge that they are in fact reflections of my own self and surroundings, and if they do not inspire confidence, then that is revealing of how much further we have to evolve as a civilization and species. Whether or not this disease and its vaccine are baby steps towards a larger, more insidious outcome is unknown. What I do know is that I am not alone in my concerns. I’ll continue to ask questions and expect answers.

Ultimately, I might take the shot. It’ll be my first one if I do. The whole thing reeks, but as mentioned earlier, it’s a test of fate: if I’m meant to live and do more things, then the shot and the flu means nothing. If my time is up, then I will go to the other side and work for Disclosure from there. If I do decide to take the shot, all I really hope for is a pretty and smiling nurse to administer it. After all, it’s going to take more than a spoonful of sugar to help this medicine go down.

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[Mbyte]

Knife nad matches.... close hand to hand combat... firearms training.... RAMBOOOOO KILL THEM ALL!!!

I need to learn those skills. I want to be able to fight a corrupt law if I had to. The IRA in Ireland were suppose to be the best at it. They were always a step ahead of the military.

Oh yea.. I won't be getting the vaccine. This is another intresting thing to ponder about. Flu vaccines are developed of last years flu strains. They predict what strains will be around next year. This is a new strain of flu and amazingly they are able to get a vaccine which is based of a strain that came out 9 months ago. The vaccine I think is a waist of time because the strain could be diffrent from the one in the vaccine. How can they make a vaccine for it if it's new? As the WHO said themselves, it's unpredictable.

I once got rid of a cold with pure will power. I was sick and miserable because of the sore throat and the runny irritated nose. I blasted heat onto me from a heater and sat down on the ground and meditated. I tried with a controlled desperation to visualise my cold going away. I visualised my body healing. I did it on and off for a few hours and the next day I was pretty much fine. It's weird, there are stories about how amazing the human body. It can do amazing things and yet we suffer from these measly colds constantly. One could argue that a lot of amazing things happen to get rid of that cold. Still though you'd think we could be sick free like most animals. I firmly believe that we throw ourselves off balance which results in a cold or flu. If you deprive yourself of sleep your nose will start to run as if your getting a cold. The next day your fine. Other times that starts and doesn't go away.

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[lookingfortruth]

all of these articles seem to be from paranoid conspiracists. i'm starting to wonder whos writing all of these

[oklanp]

Since it is the start of the fall flu season, there not only will be the ordinary flu, but also the H1N1 influenza strain, or the Swine Flu. Any vaccine carries risk of infection, but most likely it will protect you. The worst possible H1N1 vaccine risk is a possibility of developing GBS, or Guillain Barre Syndrome, an auto-immune condition which involves the break down of the lining of nerve cells. The odds in an H1N1 vaccine leading to GBS are about a million to one. However, the risk to already high risk patients is worth running – as the swine flu can kill. Children under 2, adults over 65, pregnant women, teenagers on an aspirin regimen, and adults that are already immunocompromised. It's worth getting emergency loans, never from REMOVED POSSIBLE SPAM LINK]for an H1N1 vaccine.

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[InHuman]

I'm willing to take my chances and not get the shots.

I've been sick before, and if I'm sick for more then 2 days in a row im gonna get checked.

[Cookes453]

In the U.S., there aren't enough of vaccines for either. Manufacturers, the people responsible for making the vaccines, depleted their resources. They were told to make H1N1 vaccines, and they over-produced, so now there aren't enough vaccines for the regular flu. They never made enough H1N1 vaccines either, so basically they screwed up. There's not enough vaccines for either....it's kind of sad that we can't seem to get this right every year.

There's no way in hell I'd take a H1N1 vaccine, that's just my personal opinion.

[Raptor]

InHuman, on 30 October 2009 - 06:08 AM, said:

I'm willing to take my chances and not get the shots.

I've been sick before, and if I'm sick for more then 2 days in a row im gonna get checked.

Vaccinations are about much more than the individuals that get the shot.

By refusing to get the shot you're allowing yourself to become a potential carrier of the disease. If that happens, you greatly increase the chances of infecting a number of other people who otherwise would not be. These people will then go on to do the same thing. It spreads like wildfire, and now with the increased number of people infected, the frequency of mutations occurring will be greatly increased, and it's just a matter of luck before the wrong mutation occurs in the wrong place, and suddenly the communicability and/or virulence of the strain is struck up a couple of notches and we have a greater number of casualties.

What I mean to say is that you're not only taking your chances, you're rolling the dice for an incredible number of people.

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[Mbyte]

Raptor, on 30 October 2009 - 02:35 PM, said:

Vaccinations are about much more than the individuals that get the shot.

By refusing to get the shot you're allowing yourself to become a potential carrier of the disease. If that happens, you greatly increase the chances of infecting a number of other people who otherwise would not be. These people will then go on to do the same thing. It spreads like wildfire, and now with the increased number of people infected, the frequency of mutations occurring will be greatly increased, and it's just a matter of luck before the wrong mutation occurs in the wrong place, and suddenly the communicability and/or virulence of the strain is struck up a couple of notches and we have a greater number of casualties.

What I mean to say is that you're not only taking your chances, you're rolling the dice for an incredible number of people.

Vaccine or no vaccine our bodies will carry it anyway. The vaccine isen't 100% effective and I can't see how it can be effective at all. You talk as if it's the vaccine that does the magic and that if we don't have the vaccine we are cruel. It's actually our bodies response to the vaccine that makes it effective. We fight the virus without the symptoms. Personally I want to get the swine flu. I want to see how bad it is. I'm going to see if I can get heal faster with meditation.

I will have to admit though; if it was vaccines that eradicated small pox then they are effective.

[Sweetpumper]

The only way I'm putting a needle in my arm is if the contents are first cooked in a spoon.

[Raptor]

Mbyte, on 30 October 2009 - 06:45 PM, said:

Vaccine or no vaccine our bodies will carry it anyway. The vaccine isen't 100% effective and I can't see how it can be effective at all. You talk as if it's the vaccine that does the magic and that if we don't have the vaccine we are cruel. It's actually our bodies response to the vaccine that makes it effective. We fight the virus without the symptoms.

I know exactly what they are and how they work. Yes, the resistance is generated by your own immune system. So what? That doesn't mean the vaccination isn't a necessary trigger. That is, unless, you want to directly expose people to the disease itself, which defeats the purpose all together.

Let's just hope that enough people do opt to take the vaccination, before things get out of hand.

[DigitalSentinal]

It is Bioterrorism, plain and simple. Check the facts. They speak for themselves.

[Raptor]

DigitalSentinal, on 31 October 2009 - 02:24 AM, said:

It is Bioterrorism, plain and simple. Check the facts. They speak for themselves.

I'm not inclined to give much credit to someone who makes such an extraordinary sweeping comment about such a broad subject and qualifies with just a "plain and simple", but I'll play along.

What facts?

[DigitalSentinal]

First of all, Raptor, what line of work are you in?

Secondly, I'm not going to do your legwork for you or anyone else. The facts are right there in the open for all to see. There are patent bureau databases that can be referenced. There are scores of white collar workers who are coming out as whistleblowers that the media is not reporting on.

Check the facts. I neither need nor desire your approval in terms of credibility. I simply gather and spread information and try to do the best job I can.

[Raptor]

DigitalSentinal, on 31 October 2009 - 01:12 PM, said:

First of all, Raptor, what line of work are you in?

Programming at the moment, but I'm an avid learner of science.

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Secondly, I'm not going to do your legwork for you or anyone else. The facts are right there in the open for all to see. There are patent bureau databases that can be referenced. There are scores of white collar workers who are coming out as whistleblowers that the media is not reporting on.

Check the facts. I neither need nor desire your approval in terms of credibility. I simply gather and spread information and try to do the best job I can.

If the facts really do speak for themselves then it shouldn't be all that difficult to refer me to a few reliable sources, you've evidently visited them already. I'm not sure how you expect me to check for myself when you haven't given any clear indication of what data you're referring to.

[SQLserver]

And yet that is exactly what I intend to do in the next few weeks as fears and concerns regarding the H1N1 flu vaccine reach a fevering pitch.
No legitimate concerns about the vaccine have been raised in the scientific literature recently.

I may eventually allow a complete stranger to inject a foreign substance into my body – a substance, I may add, that actually contains trace amounts of the very disease I wish to avoid.
OK, this is a stupid fear tactic. Yes, it does, and yes, THAT IS THE POINT.

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I do not trust mainstream media with anything other than reporting on local traffic and the weather.

Honestly, the mainstream media has nothing to do with this.

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When I want to be informed on a subject, I usually consult various sources on the web and do my own fact checking.

Well, that's stupid. When you want to be informed on a subject, you should consult the scientific literature.

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. Despite being seen and treated as a fear monger or conspiracy theorist by newspaper columnists, I remain steadfast in my opinion that in an age where scandals and crimes against humanity are a dime a dozen, right now is the perfect time to start killing off dissenters and troublemakers with a disease or shot (from a New World Order viewpoint of course).

Right. For starters, how do the EVIL doctors tell who is a dissenter and who isn't? Do they jab anyone who walks in the door with a McCain button still on? Perhaps, the EVIL W.H.O., which has killed SO MANY PEOPLE, has formulated a master hit-list?
You must realize that the rest of the world considers you insane for a very good reason.

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Paranoid? Yeah. I suppose so.

Paranoia isn't a joke: It's a psychological disorder. If you feel you are experiencing some of its symptoms, please go see a psychiatrist.

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For most people, overall confidence in the establishment has never been lower.

What does "The Establishment" have to do with this?

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With the promise of UFO Disclosure being perpetually handed to us by whistleblowers as well as corporate and military insiders (and even channelers), the threat of an epidemic simply takes another spot on a long list of events and diversions seemingly intent on pulling our collective focus away from knowing the truth in regards to the Extraterrestrial presence upon the planet. For instance, when CNN was in the middle of its excellent “Search for Aliens” series back in the fall of 2008, the plug was pulled on both the series as well as the reporter himself (Miles O’Brian) and six other producers. Network cleanup or internal witch hunt? You decide.

Oh my god.
Great scott.
You are right.
This is it, guys:
Swine Flu is simply a myth fabricated by the World Health Organization, the CDC, every government, every doctor, every scientist, and every scientific journal in the world created to distract us from the real issue: UF-freaking-O's.

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I’m not so certain what the current figures are, but when I last checked, the Canadian government alone had spent over 422 million dollars to acquire a sufficient number of vaccines for its populace. That’s a ton of money. It’s so much money spent, in fact, that it makes me wonder just how reliable any “study” really was in deciding if it was safe for human use or not.

Why don't you consult PubMed, and then get back to us on this?

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Strange how some of the first people to get the shot will be Aboriginal people…

Please include sources for nonsense like this. I see you have not included any in your essay.

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but isn’t it possible

Everything is possible. Please start using rational inquiry to distinguish reality from possibility.

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right now is not the best time for any governing body to expect a trusting and receptive response by the general populace concerning possible forced vaccinations.

Yet again, we see the common conspiracy tactic:
ARGUMENT FROM NWO
1. Everybody besides the conspiracy theorist is part of "the government".
2. The government, is, obviously, EVIL.
3. So is every other government.
4. Therefore, the conspiracy theorist is exempt from rational thinking.

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It’ll be my first one if I do.

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Your first vaccine.
Are you serious?
Please, PLEASE get all common vaccinations immediately.
Seriously, you are doing a massive disservice to your world if you don't get your common vaccinations. You are simply a parasite living solely on society's herd immunity for most diseases.

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Secondly, I'm not going to do your legwork for you or anyone else.

It is because you are bluffing: You've never even read a scientific journal, have you?

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The facts are right there in the open for all to see. There are patent bureau databases that can be referenced.

If this was true, you'd present them. Clearly, it is not.

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Check the facts. I neither need nor desire your approval in terms of credibility. I simply gather and spread information and try to do the best job I can.

Really? Because, just so you know, your claims are immediately dismissed from the discussion without scientific sources backing them.

Wow. Why do we have people write this stuff, again?