[acidhead]

October 29, 2009

Michael Moore works for the establishment... its too obvious... He believes free market capitalism has ruined America.

Ron Paul sets the record and facts straight.

[cerberusxp]

Ron Paul ripped em! Way to go Senator Paul!

[Fluffybunny]

It wasn't free market capitalism...it was corruption...we did fine for a lot of years.

[SQLserver]

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"This isn't Capitalism... this is Corporatism..." "But that's corporatism... but not capitalism..."

What Paul just doesn't get is that, quite simply, Corporatism is the end result of capitalism: The first Capitalist business to make it to Corporatism wins the Capitalist game.

[Fluffybunny]

SQLserver, on 04 November 2009 - 03:40 PM, said:

What Paul just doesn't get is that, quite simply, Corporatism is the end result of capitalism: The first Capitalist business to make it to Corporatism wins the Capitalist game.

And worse yet, I don't know how it can be undone without a major teardown of the system. It is so fundamentally, so thoroughly corrupt from top to bottom that creating a law here or there will not make a spit of difference to how quickly the system can be bought off and taken advantage of.

Anytime the people in charge of the country can be put there by funds of companies and special interest groups, there is an immediate obligation that bypasses the needs of those that voted people into power...you can never trust those in charge to do the right thing for the right reason. We are in a world of perpetually dirty politics where the last four decades have allowed those we trusted to guide our country in the right direction, only to find out they have been robbing us blind and selling our future for their benefit.

[acidhead]

SQLserver, on 04 November 2009 - 01:40 PM, said:

What Paul just doesn't get is that, quite simply, Corporatism is the end result of capitalism: The first Capitalist business to make it to Corporatism wins the Capitalist game.

no offense SQLserver... i do see your reasoning..

-most, in the near future, will reflect on the 21st century capitalistic 'experiment' and its inevitable conclusion that it ultimately failed in the end.

Many of these people will be the 'historical' non-voting person, the partisan voter and the young emerging persons.

But not so fast...

-as Fluffybunny pointed out the most glaring effect of corporate capitalism is... --corruption.

... corruption at the highest and grandest level possible... atop the largest financial, entrepreneurial and egalitarian nation ever.. --The U.S.A.

And all fingers point to The Federal Reserve corporation.

[bathory]

really?

the failed capitalist experiment?

How can anyone describe it as such given that even with the massive corruption (which will always exist) and economic turmoil, humanity has never been in a better position. EVER.

Capitalism has been the driving force behind much of this, people all over the world enjoy a much higher standard of living than they did even 10 years ago, that, in my opinion, says it all.

[momentarylapseofreason]

Fluffybunny, on 04 November 2009 - 04:47 PM, said:

It wasn't free market capitalism...it was corruption...we did fine for a lot of years.

That's actually quite true, now that I think about it, and remember a time when almost every American had the ability to obtain the American dream if he wanted it. Things are much more difficult now. It's corruption that spoiled everything

[ohio traveler]

momentarylapseofreason, on 05 November 2009 - 01:40 AM, said:

That's actually quite true, now that I think about it, and remember a time when almost every American had the ability to obtain the American dream if he wanted it. Things are much more difficult now. It's corruption that spoiled everything

Agree.

I do think that free market capitalism is the best thing out there. It just needs to be held in check before corporatism & corruption takes over.

And I know that many people hate the greedy and the wealthy, but many of them were the risk takers and entrepeneurs that spawned innovation and many of the creations and technologies that we rely on today.

[conspiracybeliever]

I watched this show on PBS last night called The Crash of 1929 and it really makes me wonder about the things that created this "recession". Not that I wasn't before I watched this show. But we did the same thing then that we did now to cause this "recession". The deregulation, big business playing games with Wall Street to steal from the masses. We've done it all before. I don't understand how people can't at least wonder if it wasn't planned. We're in exactly the same place as a people that we were in 1929. If you haven't seen this documentary you really should. You can watch it on PBS.com on the American Experience series.

[The Silver Thong]

ohio traveler, on 05 November 2009 - 06:19 AM, said:

Agree.

I do think that free market capitalism is the best thing out there. It just needs to be held in check before corporatism & corruption takes over.

Befor it takes over, dude it's already a done deal. America sold itself to the corprate sector with not one but two massive bailouts. I don't see things improving much as the people are now ignored out right when it comes to politics. When the government no longer fears the people it's game over.

[churchanddestroy]

SQLserver, on 04 November 2009 - 03:40 PM, said:

What Paul just doesn't get is that, quite simply, Corporatism is the end result of capitalism: The first Capitalist business to make it to Corporatism wins the Capitalist game.

So maybe we shouldn't give corporations the same rights that we give actual people. Maybe we should remove the incentive to form corporations.

Why haven't we done that yet...?

[The Silver Thong]

churchanddestroy, on 05 November 2009 - 12:50 PM, said:

So maybe we shouldn't give corporations the same rights that we give actual people. Maybe we should remove the incentive to form corporations.

Why haven't we done that yet...?

No we have to remove the corporations from the government. When private companies through capitalism control the government thats when we need to do something. Capitalism is about personal gain government should not be in that same mind set There responsibility is to the people not personal gain. The government is now a capitalistic haven for corruption hence not a single politician wants the job unless there are a lot of kick backs from corporatism.

You are right, corporations should not have the same liberties as an individual as corporations care little about individuals, it's the bottom line they care about. Government has taken this stance and they should be abolished or at least get rid of lobbyists and corporate donations to political parties.

[churchanddestroy]

The Silver Thong, on 05 November 2009 - 07:54 PM, said:

No we have to remove the corporations from the government. When private companies through capitalism control the government thats when we need to do something. Capitalism is about personal gain government should not be in that same mind set There responsibility is to the people not personal gain. The government is now a capitalistic haven for corruption hence not a single politician wants the job unless there are a lot of kick backs from corporatism.

You are right, corporations should not have the same liberties as an individual as corporations care little about individuals, it's the bottom line they care about. Government has taken this stance and they should be abolished or at least get rid of lobbyists and corporate donations to political parties.

Sounds like a plan if you asked me.