[ChloeB]

Beckys_Mom, on 07 November 2009 - 11:47 AM, said:

So you need a book to show you how to follow god? you cant come up with your OWN personal ideas?? IF so WHY?

I think that's what the prophets did, came up with their own personal ideas, but people started to believe that they weren't worthy of that on their own and had to follow someone else's example and taught finding their own way was wrong. God should be universal, not about all these nitpicky rules that sets some above others.

[Beckys_Mom]

ChloeB, on 07 November 2009 - 06:34 PM, said:

I think that's what the prophets did, came up with their own personal ideas, but people started to believe that they weren't worthy of that on their own and had to follow someone else's example and taught finding their own way was wrong. God should be universal, not about all these nitpicky rules that sets some above others.

I 100% agree here Chloe..........you hit the nail on the head..........no man has a given right to preach to anyone how to follow god IMO

[Furnacewhelp]

Beckys_Mom, on 07 November 2009 - 10:47 AM, said:

So you need a book to show you how to follow god? you cant come up with your OWN personal ideas?? IF so WHY?

ChloeB, on 07 November 2009 - 10:57 AM, said:

Absolutely, belief in God is totally different because when religions get hold of it - they must, in order their survival, set terms on it and in effect limit it in some way by including some and excluding others that are different in their beliefs. So when you ask, why people aren't finding God - my answer is religions are for the most part responsible because they've turned God into their own infomercial for marketing some prophet's beliefs and bottled it up for followers to drink instead of encouraging searching on your own to ensure the religions own survival, but at what cost? This has turned more people off God than anything else. Which prophet's version, do you follow? Who is right? Who knows these things so people are just fed up and have chunked the idea all together. Religions are never all-inclusive, they create divisions and stife between all. Don't be upset with people for that, give credit where credit is due.

I think that more people aren't turning to God because they are incapable of separating God from religion. You can believe in God without being involved in any religion. But each religion comes with it's own benefits. I chose to be LDS and because of that I have been granted the authority to bless and baptize people. In the Catholic church that authority is reserved for the priests. I could believe what the LDS believe without actually being LDS, but again, It's my choice.

But sadly, not everyone thinks the way I do. A lot of religious people believe that their religion is the only true religion. This is where the divisions and strife come in. They begin trying to convert anyone they can find who isn't a member of their religion. If you look back through history, almost every religion around today is based off of the beliefs of another religion that came before it. So it no longer becomes a matter of who's right and who's wrong since most likely both religions will share a common ancestor.

[marabod]

Exactly what is this supposed to impart to us? Please don't post one line, or worse, one (or many) smiley only responses - that is garbage posting and UM has a policy against it. -Para

Sorry, Para - I just read about this authority to bless and baptize. Could not type after this for awhile

This post has been edited by marabod: 08 November 2009 - 02:06 AM
Reason for edit:: reminded poster of um policy

[Furnacewhelp]

marabod, on 07 November 2009 - 10:31 AM, said:

Are you suggesting me to read book of mormon in order to understand whom I am currently talking to??? Do not you want to provide the example first (it was you who started this senseless exchange!) and read Das Kapital and "Materialism and Empirio-criticism" in order to understand whom YOU are talking with?

By now I know one thing from you - that a Mormon cannot clearly explain what his religion believes in, as it goes in circles for the third day already. Meanwhile it was enough for you to say 3 days ago that the Mormons do not have any Symbol of Faith and not waste my time.

My advice to you would be not to go to any Catholic church, as the appearance of dead body obviously insults your God no less than expressed Atheism. Stay living on your farm and enjoy the pastures around. It would be a lifestyle of a dream, lacking all insults possible, if instead of making a clown here, you spend your time adding yet another book of details to how Jesus visited Americas - say, write about his trip on Titanic, or on a flying saucer, describe him converting Maya and Aztecs, building pyramids or breeding the mustangs. It is all in your hands, give it a go. So far personally for me this conversation has been finalised, as all is clear for me now and no more questions I need to ask. Good luck.

Oh well, I guess I shouldn't have expected you to understand. You said that you didn't believe in God. You said that you couldn't even imagine a world with God. And yet you were trying to pass yourself off as an authority on the subject and I fell for it. I'm not saying that you shouldn't be able to understand what I said. But you made this a lot more complicated than it had to be. You wanted complex answers because you believed that this is a complicated subject. My answers were simple. So simple that you couldn't understand them I guess. Oh well.

[ChloeB]

Furnacewhelp, on 07 November 2009 - 07:32 PM, said:

I think that more people aren't turning to God because they are incapable of separating God from religion. You can believe in God without being involved in any religion. But each religion comes with it's own benefits. I chose to be LDS and because of that I have been granted the authority to bless and baptize people. In the Catholic church that authority is reserved for the priests. I could believe what the LDS believe without actually being LDS, but again, It's my choice.

But sadly, not everyone thinks the way I do. A lot of religious people believe that their religion is the only true religion. This is where the divisions and strife come in. They begin trying to convert anyone they can find who isn't a member of their religion. If you look back through history, almost every religion around today is based off of the beliefs of another religion that came before it. So it no longer becomes a matter of who's right and who's wrong since most likely both religions will share a common ancestor.

Well can you blame them? How can they follow the bible that speaks of false prophets and not eliminate everything else? I agree with you about the religions spinning off older ones. I like what you are saying here - that they are all okay, but how can you follow the bible and maintain that attitude?

[Beckys_Mom]

Furnacewhelp, on 08 November 2009 - 01:32 AM, said:

I think that more people aren't turning to God because they are incapable of separating God from religion. You can believe in God without being involved in any religion. But each religion comes with it's own benefits. I chose to be LDS and because of that I have been granted the authority to bless and baptize people. In the Catholic church that authority is reserved for the priests. I could believe what the LDS believe without actually being LDS, but again, It's my choice.

I have followed god all my life...partly as a christian.......and now on my own way.I hold a personal faith in god.and I do not need a book to tell me how

In fact before man created a bible......many followed god without one....its not rocket science

thats all I am saying.......besides ever since I broke away from christianity...and followed god in my own way...things turned around for me and it was as if god begun to listen and answer more so

Way I see it.......god doesnt mind HOW you do it...as long as you do it...for no man has a given right to tell others how to follow god and they dont hold a right to speak on gods behalf...no one does...for god wants us to seek him for OURSELVES

just keep that in mind....not saying you should drop all LOL

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[Furnacewhelp]

ChloeB, on 07 November 2009 - 07:18 PM, said:

Well can you blame them? How can they follow the bible that speaks of false prophets and not eliminate everything else? I agree with you about the religions spinning off older ones. I like what you are saying here - that they are all okay, but how can you follow the bible and maintain that attitude?

Personal interpretation. When the bible speaks of false prophets it's speaking about people who would try to lead others away from God. A lot of people don't understand that the God of their religion and the God of other religions is in fact the same God. People don't realize that their view of God is the same and it's their views on other things like the afterlife and how to worship God that are different.

[IamsSon]

Furnacewhelp, on 08 November 2009 - 01:37 AM, said:

Personal interpretation. When the bible speaks of false prophets it's speaking about people who would try to lead others away from God. A lot of people don't understand that the God of their religion and the God of other religions is in fact the same God. People don't realize that their view of God is the same and it's their views on other things like the afterlife and how to worship God that are different.

This is simply another religious view. You cannot prove that the god of every religion is the same god. You may strongly believe that, but then someone who believes their god is the one true god also holds a strong belief of that.

[marabod]

IamsSon, on 09 November 2009 - 02:14 AM, said:

This is simply another religious view. You cannot prove that the god of every religion is the same god. You may strongly believe that, but then someone who believes their god is the one true god also holds a strong belief of that.

To be honest I doubt that this view is religious. As Furnace explained, his religion lacks Theology, Symbol of Faith and definition of God, they worship to. They use the parts of these components, developed by another religions, but deny their Creeds. Nowhere in Christianity Theology talks about Christ migrating to Americas, as this suggests no ascension and derails his alleged divine status. So Jesus, they worship, is not the same Jesus as in Christianity, but someone else under the same name - thus leading people to this new Jesus well falls into the definition of fake prophet as was given above. This seems to be not a religion, but a pretend-to-be a religion.

[ChloeB]

Furnacewhelp, on 08 November 2009 - 01:37 AM, said:

Personal interpretation. When the bible speaks of false prophets it's speaking about people who would try to lead others away from God. A lot of people don't understand that the God of their religion and the God of other religions is in fact the same God. People don't realize that their view of God is the same and it's their views on other things like the afterlife and how to worship God that are different.

Works for me; I'd just like everyone's gods to be friends.

[Beckys_Mom]

Furnacewhelp, on 08 November 2009 - 07:37 AM, said:

. A lot of people don't understand that the God of their religion and the God of otrher religions is in fact the same God.

God fits in all religions / faiths...same one...fits all.................which is another reason why I chose not to pick a religion to follow god....for each religion tries to tell you their own way of following god...and call it the only REAL TRUE WAY...lol

I pick MY way...its best for me and only me