[karl 12]

sinewave, on 05 November 2009 - 07:33 PM, said:

Cosmic events make earthquakes and tidal waves look like amusement park rides so they would not be buying much by doing that. I agree it may be possible to bend space time but the current theories suggest it would require enormous amounts of energy. Some cleaver guys at NASA suggested the possibility of harnessing the energy of stars. I have no clue how that would be done but there may well be enough there to make it happen. Of course there is the small matter of having the technology to do it. Under the sea? Perhaps, but that is yet another pile of anecdotes to sift though.

Yes, perhaps we should just concentrate on actualy addressing the UFO incidents themselves and forget about all the presumptuous speculation and conjecture.

What is your opinion on the nature of the objects involved in these incidents?


The Lakenheath Incident (1956)
The Coyne Incident
The Tehran Incident
The RB-47 Incident
The Redmond Oregon Incident
The Colares Incident
The Portage County Incident
The Alaska Flight 1628 Incident
The Exeter Puzzle Incident
The Washington Merry go round
The Chiles-Whitted Incident
The Gosford Incident
The Westhall UFO Incident

[Wookietim]

karl 12, on 05 November 2009 - 03:55 PM, said:

Yes, perhaps we should just concentrate on actualy addressing the UFO incidents themselves and forget about all the presumptuous speculation and conjecture.

What is your opinion on the nature of the objects involved in these incidents?


The Lakenheath Incident (1956)
The Coyne Incident
The Tehran Incident
The RB-47 Incident
The Redmond Oregon Incident
The Colares Incident
The Portage County Incident
The Alaska Flight 1628 Incident
The Exeter Puzzle Incident
The Washington Merry go round
The Chiles-Whitted Incident
The Gosford Incident
The Westhall UFO Incident

As far as I know, all of them fall into the "unexplained at this time" category - I didn't look up all the facts on them but from the ones I recognize that seems to be the case.

But that does not mean that they are aliens from another planet either... They simply point to things that ought to be investigated and understood. Of course, that doesn't mean we just ignore the possibility of extraterrestrials - that would be as wrong as simply accepting that explanation. But that is just one possible explanation among many.

[karl 12]

Wookietim, on 05 November 2009 - 09:01 PM, said:

As far as I know, all of them fall into the "unexplained at this time" category - I didn't look up all the facts on them but from the ones I recognize that seems to be the case.

But that does not mean that they are aliens from another planet either... They simply point to things that ought to be investigated and understood. Of course, that doesn't mean we just ignore the possibility of extraterrestrials - that would be as wrong as simply accepting that explanation. But that is just one possible explanation among many.

Wookie,thanks for the reply -I know that because they are unexplained it doesn't automaticaly make them aliens but I was asking Sinewave what his specific opinions were on the nature of the objects.
Cheers.

[Wookietim]

karl 12, on 05 November 2009 - 04:05 PM, said:

Wookie,thanks for the reply -I know that because they are unexplained it doesn't automaticaly make them aliens but I was asking Sinewave what his specific opinions were on the nature of the objects.
Cheers.

Aha... I think that you will find Sinewave has a rather balanced view of them. He doesn't necessarily discount the alien hypothesis but, like me, would rather find a more prosaic explanation... Well, maybe not "Would rather" (I would love to find real evidence of alien life visiting Earth - that would be cool!) but maybe "Rather suspects"....

[747400]

karl 12, on 05 November 2009 - 07:01 PM, said:

Yes, maybe they live 'off planet' on self contained ships free from the dangers of earthquakes,volcanoes,tidal waves etc.. - that would negate the distance problem.

Alternately they may be able to fold space-time; be time travellers ;have an extra dimensional origin or come from under the sea.

Thats the problem with presupposing anything - we just don't know.

The one thing we do know however is that the UFO subject is a very real one and there are quite a number of incidents which defy rational explanation.

Cheers.

yes; the point is, that since we don't know (assuming that some UFos are extraterrestrial), that they do come from other solar systems hundreds (or even just a few) light years away, I don't know if we can say that the distances involved and the lack of any way that we know to overcome those distances has to be an obstacle. Perhaps they come from much nearer us than we think, even. Who can say.

[DONTEATUS]

Just another thought What if 2012 is really going to happen ?
And for the last 9 or more years Nasa has known,and the plan is very hush,HUSH that they are getting ready with a few female and male astronauts,Lots of spares,and goodies to munch on,a few old C/D`s and the ELT`s to locate the hords of Seeds and life continuating support scatered all around our Planet.
In the hopes that If they can return,they will be the New Adam`s & Eve`s ?
It wouldnt be too hard to pull that off.
I know that real record storage,seed,and important things hav been being stk piled in very tactical places.
Even a few Billionairs have started whats preceived as a Mad Dash to Space.
Sorta Like a 1960`s James Bond series. LoL
Well It makes forgood Movies and stories is All I think! I`ll be Here typeing away 2013 and On !
Im going to see the Movie anyway Its the way of our times. PEACEjustDONTEATUS

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[karl 12]

747400, on 05 November 2009 - 09:07 PM, said:

Perhaps they come from much nearer us than we think, even. Who can say.

747400,thanks for the reply - I agree with your comments and, whatever the origin of these objects,its all very interesting as some UFOs are visualy corellated on (sometimes multiple) radar screens displaying completely unprecedented flight characteristics/ aerial manouverability/ rates of speed - they have also been known to exhibit electromagnetic effects on aircraft.

It may sound a little outlandish but Dr. Ivan Sanderson makes some interesting comments here:

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Dr. Ivan T. Sanderson who suggested that aliens could remain undetected by building their bases beneath the world’s oceans.
Dr. Sanderson found that by actual count, over 50 percent of the UFO sightings had occurred over, coming from, or plunging into or coming out of water.

http://www.bluealien...underwater-ufos

Cheers.

[sinewave]

karl 12, on 05 November 2009 - 02:55 PM, said:

Yes, perhaps we should just concentrate on actualy addressing the UFO incidents themselves and forget about all the presumptuous speculation and conjecture.

What is your opinion on the nature of the objects involved in these incidents?


The Lakenheath Incident (1956)
The Coyne Incident
The Tehran Incident
The RB-47 Incident
The Redmond Oregon Incident
The Colares Incident
The Portage County Incident
The Alaska Flight 1628 Incident
The Exeter Puzzle Incident
The Washington Merry go round
The Chiles-Whitted Incident
The Gosford Incident
The Westhall UFO Incident

Yes, Wookietim is correct. You will usually get a fairly cautious response out of me on things like this. I appreciate your candor, and thanks for asking for my opinion. OK, I will probably have to look some of them up. Some are familiar by name and others aren't. The Alaskan one involved a Japanese cargo plane if I'm not mistaken. I admit, that one is pretty weird and if it happened just as reported there was something very strange going on around that plane that night. I am always skeptical but certainly don't dismiss anything like that out of hand. I am though, reluctant to form opinions without knowing I have reliable information. That is my problem with most UFO sightings. It is difficult to know who to believe and whether the story is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth and not colored or embellished by imagination or agenda. I will say, I am a more open to reports from recent times like the Alaskan case than I am to reports from the 50' and 60's. This is mainly because of the all-eyes-on-the-skies hysteria that had everyone on edge and the fact that RADAR is so much more reliable these days. Let me review the cases you listed and I will post on them later.

[Universal Sight]

747400, on 05 November 2009 - 03:24 AM, said:

Maybe they don't have to come billions of miles?

I agree they they may not, but i would have to think that the distance for them to travel almost anywhere would be too great to sustain a liveable "spaceship community" for the extent of time it most likely take to eventually come upon another civilization. And on top of that, take into account the various narual hazards encountered along the way that could be catastrophic or.... if a civilization was found, another variable would come into play as far as finding a civilization with equal or better technology taking offense to the new "invaders" and try to take them out. (not trying to take this too far off base but if we had their equal technology and they were here...do you really think it would be a peaceful coexistance?)

Not to mention that they wouldve had to adapt to a full life in space as far as their body structure, functions.... etc.

Wookietim, on 05 November 2009 - 01:10 PM, said:

If we abandon what we know and just start saying "Well there could be tech we don't know about yet that aliens do and they use it" then we have given up on any real scientific attempt to find out what this phenomenon is.

I don't doubt that there is a whole lot of things we don't know about yet. But we can't just posit those things - we have to at least try to remain within the confines of what we know (Or at least what we can realistically imagine).

I agree. the scientific point is what im about here....even if it is a "little geeky."

This post has been edited by Universal Sight: 06 November 2009 - 09:20 AM

[karl 12]

Universal Sight, on 02 November 2009 - 10:59 PM, said:

IF E.T.'s were here flying around im sure within 60 years of the government being accused of collaboration or learning from them, we wouldve had to know by now one way or the other.

There is some important reading here on Government power structure, wealth, secrecy and compartmentalization of information.

Quote

Secrecy. Nearly everything of significance undertaken by America's military and intelligence community in the past half-century has occurred in secrecy. The undertaking to build an atomic weapon, better known as the Manhattan Project, remains the great model for all subsequent activities. For four years not a single member of Congress even knew about it, although its final cost exceeded the then-incredible total of $2 billion. During and after the Second World War, other important projects, such as the development of biological weapons, the importation of Nazi scientists, terminal mind control experiments, nationwide interception of mail and cable transmissions of an unwitting populace, infiltration of the media and universities, secret coups, secret wars, and assassinations all took place far removed not only from the American public, but most members of Congress and a few Presidents. Indeed, several of the most powerful intelligence agencies were themselves established in secrecy, unknown by the public or Congress for many years.....

Cheers.

[DONTEATUS]

Thats why they re-made "V" they are Here running everything!
LoL.justDONTEATUS

[karl 12]

DONTEATUS, on 06 November 2009 - 02:56 PM, said:

Thats why they re-made "V" they are Here running everything!
LoL.justDONTEATUS

Donteatus - Dianas coming to get you!