[The Infidel Guy]

www.alternet.org said:

It's true what they say. Sometimes, a picture really is worth a thousand words.

Especially when those pictures are drawn by Robert Crumb.

And especially when those words come from the Bible.

For those who haven't heard yet: Legendary comics artist Robert Crumb has just come out with his new book: The Book of Genesis, Illustrated by R. Crumb, a magnum opus, five years in the making, telling the complete, unedited book of Genesis in graphic novel form.And I'm finding it fascinating. It's masterfully illustrated, of course, Crumb being among the very best creators in this burgeoning literary form.

Read more...

Richard Dawkins wasn't kidding when he said, "The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction." The God character in Genesis is cruel, violent, callous, insecure, power-hungry, paranoid, hot-tempered, morally fickle... I could go on and on. And God's followers aren't much better. They lie, they scheme, they cheat one another, they conquer other villages with bloodthirsty imperialist glee, they kill at the drop of a hat.

Peace

T.I.G

[Wearer of Hats]

Did you know that the Mormons reckon the God of the Old Testament is actually Jesus before he became "mortal"?

[Ryinrea]

I agree, with YOU THAT the god of the old Testament was very unforgiving of people. I find it hard to believe that he all good and stuff. Let face it, he was a malevolent being that hated not being worshiped by people. =_=



Even, I can see that, and I am Agnostic.

[Neognosis]

I can't get over the fact that some of you actually start posts who's sole purpose is to bag on someone's religion.

I don't care for religion myself, and I recognize all the unspeakable things done in the name of religion, but even I find the unprovoked anti-religion threads a bit tiresome.

So yes, we know that the OT is full of violence and death and destruction, and that religious people are as bad as non-religious people, and that a lot of evil has been done in the name of religion.

Can we maybe go a week or two without a thread starting that merely says as much?

[The Infidel Guy]

Neognosis, on 01 November 2009 - 05:03 PM, said:

I can't get over the fact that some of you actually start posts who's sole purpose is to bag on someone's religion.

I don't care for religion myself, and I recognize all the unspeakable things done in the name of religion, but even I find the unprovoked anti-religion threads a bit tiresome.

So yes, we know that the OT is full of violence and death and destruction, and that religious people are as bad as non-religious people, and that a lot of evil has been done in the name of religion.

Can we maybe go a week or two without a thread starting that merely says as much?

Well this is news in which people have a need to know.

This is a forum for Spirituality vs Skepticism hence the topic and the news posted is justified.

We could sit here and just not post anything or we could post such news and educate people on what is going on in the world hence why it is called "news". There is some "news" which do not make the mainstream media for obvious reasons (whether political or religious).

Sole purpose is not to bag religion. It is to educate people on how delusional some people can be and how some people can distort there own beliefs to such an extent.

Peace

T.I.G

[eqgumby]

Neognosis, on 01 November 2009 - 07:03 PM, said:

I can't get over the fact that some of you actually start posts who's sole purpose is to bag on someone's religion.

I don't care for religion myself, and I recognize all the unspeakable things done in the name of religion, but even I find the unprovoked anti-religion threads a bit tiresome.

So yes, we know that the OT is full of violence and death and destruction, and that religious people are as bad as non-religious people, and that a lot of evil has been done in the name of religion.

Can we maybe go a week or two without a thread starting that merely says as much?

NO. Silence your voice of reason!

[mklsgl]

T. I. G. : are all believers "delusional?"

[The Infidel Guy]

mklsgl, on 03 November 2009 - 04:20 PM, said:

T. I. G. : are all believers "delusional?"

In my opinion yes all people who have a belief in a monotheistic religion are delusional to some extent.

Peace

T.I.G

[BlindMessiah]

The Infidel Guy, on 04 November 2009 - 01:02 AM, said:

In my opinion yes all people who have a belief in a monotheistic religion are delusional to some extent.

Peace

T.I.G

Being right isn't enough, there's only one way to deal with delusional people...

This post has been edited by BlindMessiah: 04 November 2009 - 01:11 AM

[eqgumby]

The Infidel Guy, on 03 November 2009 - 07:02 PM, said:

In my opinion yes all people who have a belief in a monotheistic religion are delusional to some extent.

Peace

T.I.G

The problem with that train of thought, is the negative impact that the word "delusional" has.
Using this logic, any belief in anything other than real and tangible things is "delusional".
Belief is not delusional, is it? Do you believe in love? Just because "love" can be measured by some physical response, just like people involved in worship may have physiological responses, doesn't make it any more or less real.
It's not that I disagree with you, I just think it's an unwise choice to refer to someone that believes in something that you do not, as delusional.

With that said, there are indeed MANY people that are delusional in the world that believe in some crazy monotheistic, polytheistic, an assortment of -theistic things. Heck, people that believe Obama or Bush are altruistic leaders interested in all of our welfare are delusional if measured by that scale.
So slapping the label "delusional" or "deluded" on someone that believes in God(s) is a bit of a blanket statement I think.

[Neognosis]

to the OP, you are just as annoying as the Evangelicals, IMO.

There isn't much evil going on in the western world that a realization that there is violence in the OT is going to stop. But thanks for trying to provide such a valuable service anyway.

There is violence in the OT. That news is out. In fact, it's been out for a few thousand years. But thanks anyway.

[eqgumby]

Neognosis, on 04 November 2009 - 10:42 AM, said:

to the OP, you are just as annoying as the Evangelicals, IMO.

There isn't much evil going on in the western world that a realization that there is violence in the OT is going to stop. But thanks for trying to provide such a valuable service anyway.

There is violence in the OT. That news is out. In fact, it's been out for a few thousand years. But thanks anyway.

How DARE you speak to one of the great "enlightened ones" like that!!

If the whole world only realized that blood-sacrifice and the avoidance of eating shell-fish in the OT were WRONG, we would all be eating lobster and living in peace!

[Michelle]

Neognosis, on 04 November 2009 - 04:42 PM, said:

to the OP, you are just as annoying as the Evangelicals, IMO.

There isn't much evil going on in the western world that a realization that there is violence in the OT is going to stop. But thanks for trying to provide such a valuable service anyway.

There is violence in the OT. That news is out. In fact, it's been out for a few thousand years. But thanks anyway.

Don't expect anyone to recognize this in themselves...they are in denial how similar they are.

[S♥ ♥ ♥]

eqgumby, on 04 November 2009 - 08:35 AM, said:

The problem with that train of thought, is the negative impact that the word "delusional" has.
Using this logic, any belief in anything other than real and tangible things is "delusional".
Belief is not delusional, is it? Do you believe in love? Just because "love" can be measured by some physical response, just like people involved in worship may have physiological responses, doesn't make it any more or less real.
It's not that I disagree with you, I just think it's an unwise choice to refer to someone that believes in something that you do not, as delusional.

With that said, there are indeed MANY people that are delusional in the world that believe in some crazy monotheistic, polytheistic, an assortment of -theistic things. Heck, people that believe Obama or Bush are altruistic leaders interested in all of our welfare are delusional if measured by that scale.
So slapping the label "delusional" or "deluded" on someone that believes in God(s) is a bit of a blanket statement I think.

tigs says "In my opinion yes all people who have a belief in a monotheistic religion are delusional to some extent."


I'd add objective 'reality' does not require belief in it to give it reality..

your counter is excellent for being politically correct in most circumstances is warranted, but in the S vrs S we have the freedom to explore things , we can even use delusional, as belief can be shown to not be the reality of things but a description based on subjective reality in most cases of beleifs i am not aware of a beleif that is an exception to this, are you???..... .... ..




Staying with your ex: love, you can believe in love all you want but its not the "reality" of love .... but it is your subjective reality how love seems/appears to you and your description of it...

[karl 12]

The Infidel Guy, on 02 November 2009 - 03:49 AM, said:

Well this is news in which people have a need to know.

This is a forum for Spirituality vs Skepticism hence the topic and the news posted is justified.

Infidel Guy -spot on mate, great thread.
I wouldn't have heard about this book otherwise and its looks very good indeed.
Cheers.





Just for the record heres Dawkin's full quote about the abrahamic god:

Quote

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
Richard Dawkins