[mklsgl]

The Infidel Guy, on 03 November 2009 - 08:02 PM, said:

In my opinion yes all people who have a belief in a monotheistic religion are delusional to some extent.

Peace

T.I.G

How about all of those who believe in the possibility of there being a [G-d]?

[Michelle]

The Infidel Guy, on 02 November 2009 - 03:49 AM, said:

Well this is news in which people have a need to know.

This is a forum for Spirituality vs Skepticism hence the topic and the news posted is justified.

We could sit here and just not post anything or we could post such news and educate people on what is going on in the world hence why it is called "news". There is some "news" which do not make the mainstream media for obvious reasons (whether political or religious).

Sole purpose is not to bag religion. It is to educate people on how delusional some people can be and how some people can distort there own beliefs to such an extent.

Peace

T.I.G

Do you really think this is news to Christians? And don't you think it's a good thing that they have progressed past the stonings and whatnot? Or would you rather they continue to live in the dark ages?

This post has been edited by Michelle: 04 November 2009 - 08:54 PM

[dethstalker]

Just a thought...

Believers (any religion)- feel that their knowledge of subjective reality is superior
Skeptics/non-believers- feel that their knowledge of objective reality is superior

However, neither can exist without the other, so they "battle" (Not necessarily a physical battle) for the right to define the field or the right to the reality they both occupy which is self awareness.

I'm having a political philosophy class lecture reply in my mind...

My logic is probably severly flawed...

[SpiderCyde]

The Infidel Guy, on 01 November 2009 - 05:32 PM, said:

Richard Dawkins wasn't kidding when he said, "The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction." The God character in Genesis is cruel, violent, callous, insecure, power-hungry, paranoid, hot-tempered, morally fickle... I could go on and on. And God's followers aren't much better. They lie, they scheme, they cheat one another, they conquer other villages with bloodthirsty imperialist glee, they kill at the drop of a hat.

Peace

T.I.G

Hey TIGs, I respect you man, but in ways I disagree. I am curious as to the Atheist outlook and I have a question that maybe you can help me with to better understand where you're coming from. I've always wondered why Atheists focus so intently on the Book of Genesis. I know many, many professed believers who don't even consider Genesis to be a viable part of Christianity. Many believers I know consider it to be an allegory, a way to explain concepts to ancient man in ways that he/she could better understand. I would wager that the majority of believers don't put much stock in the Genesis stories, but they do value some of the aspects of wisdom found therein. My question is, if Genesis is pretty much a passing after thought to believers, as an Atheist, wouldn't focussing on Genesis be kind of like beating a dead horse or something? Thanks in advance for your reply.

[karl 12]

Michelle, on 04 November 2009 - 08:40 PM, said:

Do you really think this is news to Christians?

There are not 'just christians' on these boards though - what about catering for everybody?

I for one enjoyed this thread and am glad it was posted.

Michelle, on 04 November 2009 - 08:40 PM, said:

And don't you think it's a good thing that they have progressed past the stonings and whatnot?

You mean denied god's specific instructions?

http://www.skepticsa...ut/stoning.html

Michelle, on 04 November 2009 - 08:40 PM, said:

Or would you rather they continue to live in the dark ages?

Live how they want - just don't get uppity when someone questions their beleifs.

Mark Twain makes a good point here:

Quote

You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons,
sticks turning into snakes, burning bushes, food falling from the sky,
people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive
stories, and you say that WE are the ones that need help?

Mark Twain

[ChloeB]

karl 12, on 04 November 2009 - 02:21 PM, said:

Just for the record heres Dawkin's full quote about the abrahamic god:

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“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
Richard Dawkins

But he LOOOOOOVES YOU!

These teachings still impact our world today so I don't know why so many are complaining about this thread. Anyone who can't see that, there is your DENIAL.

This post has been edited by ChloeB: 04 November 2009 - 09:30 PM

[eqgumby]

S♥ ♥ ♥, on 04 November 2009 - 01:54 PM, said:

tigs says "In my opinion yes all people who have a belief in a monotheistic religion are delusional to some extent."


I'd add objective 'reality' does not require belief in it to give it reality..

your counter is excellent for being politically correct in most circumstances is warranted, but in the S vrs S we have the freedom to explore things , we can even use delusional, as belief can be shown to not be the reality of things but a description based on subjective reality in most cases of beleifs i am not aware of a beleif that is an exception to this, are you???..... .... ..




Staying with your ex: love, you can believe in love all you want but its not the "reality" of love .... but it is your subjective reality how love seems/appears to you and your description of it...

Your posts make my eyes bleed.
I tried to make it simple, and you made it complicated and in-depth from a metaphysical stand point. Not my intention. This is how we wind up discussing "What is the REAL meaning of "is", maaaaan".
My point is it's just not cool to call any one that believes in something they can't prove "delusional".

[Beckys_Mom]

Michelle, on 04 November 2009 - 08:40 PM, said:

Do you really think this is news to Christians?

Do you really think he has no right to post it?

[ChloeB]

Neognosis, on 04 November 2009 - 10:42 AM, said:

to the OP, you are just as annoying as the Evangelicals, IMO.

There isn't much evil going on in the western world that a realization that there is violence in the OT is going to stop. But thanks for trying to provide such a valuable service anyway.

There is violence in the OT. That news is out. In fact, it's been out for a few thousand years. But thanks anyway.

I don't like reading the end-times doomsday threads, think it's bull. You know what I do? Don't click on that thread, problem solved.

[Beckys_Mom]

eqgumby, on 04 November 2009 - 09:33 PM, said:

Your posts make my eyes bleed.
I tried to make it simple, and you made it complicated and in-depth from a metaphysical stand point. Not my intention. This is how we wind up discussing "What is the REAL meaning of "is", maaaaan".
My point is it's just not cool to call any one that believes in something they can't prove "delusional".

So.what? I am a believer and like what TIG says....delusional....but Im not a yappy sort.and act like a drama queen over NOTHING..I dont care if he thinks all us believers are delusional


Why? because he..is entitled to HIS opinion....

The above is in huge font to let all of those that think and poke at the OP as some sort of joke........that TIG has every right to his own opinion....and so what if he thinks believers like myself are delusional..........its no biggie.....sheeesh

This post has been edited by Beckys_Mom: 04 November 2009 - 09:57 PM

[S♥ ♥ ♥]

eqgumby, on 04 November 2009 - 01:33 PM, said:

Your posts make my eyes bleed.
I tried to make it simple, and you made it complicated and in-depth from a metaphysical stand point. Not my intention. This is how we wind up discussing "What is the REAL meaning of "is", maaaaan".
My point is it's just not cool to call any one that believes in something they can't prove "delusional".

except he didn't say that eggy.....
Tigs quoted:
"In my opinion yes all people who have a belief in a monotheistic religion are delusional to some extent."

gosh I'd be curious to see had you of not tried on that post....... genuinely, thanks for clearing that up...

I know eggy, I knew that was your point and I offered another way to look at Tigs post, before everyone gets all worked up and ruins the thread and derails it by vilifying the Kat ... what if he wasn't trying to stereotype?


IMO Tigs based on his posts so far is not unreasonable or seeking to offend , but seems to be an attempt at helping himself gain understanding IMO ..Sometimes atheists come here to heal in the S vr S area its in the rules expect things to get heated on occasion, just no personal attacks, his statement was not eggy........IMO and that is my point.....


If he gets out of hand we have report , so far he has not......

its okay with me it we agree to disagree. on this .....

[The Infidel Guy]

Michelle, on 04 November 2009 - 12:40 PM, said:

Do you really think this is news to Christians? And don't you think it's a good thing that they have progressed past the stonings and whatnot? Or would you rather they continue to live in the dark ages?

I don't assume anything. I post what i feel is necessary in getting the information out.

Your assuming Christians already know this. Well think again. For example on one of my topics - "Churches involved in torture, murder of thousands of African children denounced as witches" - My link - None of the Christians in the U.S within the same sect as these Churches in Africa new about it and they stated that (not that i believe them).

Don't assume anything. I surely don't.

Peace

T.I.G

This post has been edited by The Infidel Guy: 05 November 2009 - 02:08 AM

[The Infidel Guy]

SpiderCyde, on 04 November 2009 - 12:57 PM, said:

Hey TIGs, I respect you man, but in ways I disagree. I am curious as to the Atheist outlook and I have a question that maybe you can help me with to better understand where you're coming from. I've always wondered why Atheists focus so intently on the Book of Genesis. I know many, many professed believers who don't even consider Genesis to be a viable part of Christianity. Many believers I know consider it to be an allegory, a way to explain concepts to ancient man in ways that he/she could better understand. I would wager that the majority of believers don't put much stock in the Genesis stories, but they do value some of the aspects of wisdom found therein. My question is, if Genesis is pretty much a passing after thought to believers, as an Atheist, wouldn't focussing on Genesis be kind of like beating a dead horse or something? Thanks in advance for your reply.

Book of Genesis, NIV, KJB and the list goes on..... We can focus on any other forms of the Bible and still come to the same conclusion. But let's take it a step further. An omniscient & omnipotent deity should only be able to perfect the one book to set upon humanity in order for the "chopping and changing" to be non-existent. Since we have so many varieties of the Bible it is quite obvious this "being" you call "God" is obviously non of those divine attributes which therefore negates any of the Bibles which ever version you look at.

Peace

T.I.G

[The Infidel Guy]

mklsgl, on 04 November 2009 - 12:23 PM, said:

How about all of those who believe in the possibility of there being a [G-d]?

Define "God"?

If it is the God of any of the monotheistic religions then Yes - DELUSIONAL.

Peace

T.I.G

[Beckys_Mom]

The Infidel Guy, on 05 November 2009 - 02:03 AM, said:

Define "God"?

If it is the God of any of the monotheistic religions then Yes - DELUSIONAL.

To you I am delusional.but........................










you luvies me anyway